So Christian Veilleux...

[TiogaLion]

Christian should get some playing time at MSU, even if Clifford is healthy. Time to evaluate talent for next season.

Next seasons talent may be Clifford.

 

[marshall23]

And Roberson played meaningful football since 2019? He did not look prepared at all. I never said coaches are clueless. Roberson’s performance didn’t cause you to ask any questions at all?

Yep practice is a waste of time. Everyone should just go fishing instead. Agreed that Roberson looked terrible. But I missed the thread where you stated that would happen before the Iowa game.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Maybe he played Roberson one game too early? I shouldn’t have raised any question at all, is that what you’re saying? Never wonder about a decision? Have you ever raised a question about someone else’s decision, or do you assume they always make the right decisions?

No dude. You stated that it may not be true when Franklin said Villuex wasn’t ready to play at Iowa. That wasn’t a question but nice try at weaseling out of your original post.

 

[donaldfair71]

Christian should get some playing time at MSU, even if Clifford is healthy. Time to evaluate talent for next season.

Absolutely.
I thought Roberson should get snaps against Illinois and think whoever the backup is should see snaps this week. And if effective, should keep getting them.
Clifford hasn’t done so much to be untouchable here.

 

[donaldfair71]

Next seasons talent may be Clifford.

That would speak to the state of the program more than a 7-5 record ever could.

 

[blion72]

Next seasons talent may be Clifford.

I think the discussion of the past - Iowa, Illinois, etc is nearly impossible to evaluate. There was a big difference between those situations and the game with Rutgers. to me the past is done, so "what if" may be what we do as fans, but not helpful for a coaching staff.

The more relevant points to me are based on the Rutgers game itself.

• Sean was in no condition to play a football game maybe at any level. Clearly ill, but he may also be injured. He ended the UMich game looking very beat up. He got very little help in that game and had some free runs at him. even if he was NOT sick, I bet he would have been playing hurt yesterday.
• Rutgers defense is not that bad, and certainly put the hammer on Illinois, played UM pretty tough, stomped Indiana. etc. As a team their defense especially v the run is at least average.
• Had Sean not got further injury, and stayed in the game, I am not sure what the outcome would have been.
• CV in his current condition was far batter v Rutgers than Sean. It was not even close. To me that is a pretty relevant fact. CV led a strong win, and SC was not going to do that yesterday - IMO

Going forward is the trickier situation. I listened to TFrank and Tom Hannifan discuss the go forward on this situation. I think we all agree that the coaches are responsible and own the decisions, and we are observers = fans. Fans of course debate and second guess coaches and that is the historic relationship. I think the only decisions the coaches will make is which QB RIGHT NOW gives PSU the best chance to beat Sparty. I don't think there would be much debate about that. I would say that if Sean is in the same health as he opened the season = in terms of running and passing, then I could see him be the natural to start. However, if he is beat up and still not recovered from virus, and CV is at 100%, then to me you would go with CV. CV already proved he is significantly better than the beat up sick SC. Of course now, if you start Sean, and it turns out he is off, then you are in a position to pull him for CV. I am assuming the coaches wouldn't let SC continue to play if he is not close to being the full 100% SC. The tricky moment comes if SC says he is 100% but the entire world can see that he is not. In a few days we will find out.

 

[Nits1989]

No dude. You stated that it may not be true when Franklin said Villuex wasn’t ready to play at Iowa. That wasn’t a question but nice try at weaseling out of your original post.

Dude, you’re not making any sense at all. Thanks for telling me what I meant! I understand myself now!

 

[Nits1989]

Yep practice is a waste of time. Everyone should just go fishing instead. Agreed that Roberson looked terrible. But I missed the thread where you stated that would happen before the Iowa game.

I never said practice is a waste of time. You did. Veilleux had spring practice, summer practice and practice during the season. He was a highly recruited player out of high school. He wasn’t out fishing. And he was ready for Rutgers, despite having the flu for the week leading up to the game and probably played in a somewhat depleted state.

Finally, why would I post anything about Roberson before the Iowa game? That was the first action we saw of him. How could you or I know whether he was ready?

 

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Veilleux had not played football since2019. But of course it would have made perfect sense to throw him at Kinnick vs Iowa. Coaches are so clueless.

when is the last time roberson played football before the iowa game?

 

[Nits1989]

when is the last time roberson played football before the iowa game?

Exactly

 

[NJPSU]

Clifford will start Saturday. There’s no way he’s getting benched in what might be his final regular season game at PSU because a freshman looked good against Rutgers.

 

[mmp121]

Clifford will not start Saturday. There’s no way he’s getting benched in what might be his final regular season game at PSU because a freshman looked good played better against Rutgers than he did.

Fixed it for you...

 

[blion72]

Clifford will start Saturday. There’s no way he’s getting benched in what might be his final regular season game at PSU because a freshman looked good against Rutgers.

do you think that the coaching staff would make the decision to start SC for any other reason than they think that he is the BEST option to WIN? Starting SC due to it being his final regular season game is not saying that is the best option to win. If the staff did that and SC was not truly 100% then that suggests they would put a player above the goal of the team to win.

 

[marshall23]

I never said practice is a waste of time. You did. Veilleux had spring practice, summer practice and practice during the season. He was a highly recruited player out of high school. He wasn’t out fishing. And he was ready for Rutgers, despite having the flu for the week leading up to the game and probably played in a somewhat depleted state.

Finally, why would I post anything about Roberson before the Iowa game? That was the first action we saw of him. How could you or I know whether he was ready?

exactly!

 

[marshall23]

do you think that the coaching staff would make the decision to start SC for any other reason than they think that he is the BEST option to WIN? Starting SC due to it being his final regular season game is not saying that is the best option to win. If the staff did that and SC was not truly 100% then that suggests they would put a player above the goal of the team to win.

If SC is healthy,he will start. He is the best QB on the roster at this moment.

 

[marshall23]

Dude, what are you talking about? You’re not making any sense at all. I’m not weaseling out of anything.

Aren’t you a lawyer? Franklin’s remarks are subject to credibility questions, just like anyone else’s. Just because Franklin said Veilleux wasn’t ready for Iowa doesn’t mean it’s true. You have to decide credibility. Did Veilleux really go from being unready to play to what he did against Rutgers since the Iowa game? Its possible, but it seems unlikely. Veilleux had spring practice, summer practice and practice during the season. Nothing stopped him from practicing on his own. He didn’t join the team just before Iowa. He didn’t just start playing football. He had the flu for the week leading up to Rutgers and still turned in that performance in a weakened state. Given the evidence, there are legit questions about Franklin’s statement that Veilleux was not ready for Iowa and there is nothing wrong with questioning it. I have been totally consistent. In no way am I contradicting a prior post. I have no idea where you are getting that from.

In response to my post, you told me to get over myself, said that I had no basis to question the coaches, and added that it is better to start someone 1 game late rather than 1 game early. I asked if you ever questioned decisions by the PSU football coaches and if maybe it was Roberson who was started 1 game too soon. I haven’t received an answer, only the above quote that totally misunderstands my simple point: just because Franklin said something doesn’t mean it’s true.

Franklin said CV wasn't ready. This isn't a court of law. The only opinion that matters is his and his OC. The rest is just fan BS. Kinnick vs Iowa and home vs Rutgers anyone see a slight difference?LOL

 

[Nits1989]

Franklin said CV wasn't ready. This isn't a court of law. The only opinion that matters is his and his OC. The rest is just fan BS. Kinnick vs Iowa and home vs Rutgers anyone see a slight difference?LOL

Got it. You have no questions. I do. We disagree. Let’s move on.

 

[GregInPitt]

Some thoughts on the QB depth, and what Veilleux's performance vs Rutgers did to the equation.......

Christian Veilleux’s Performance Opens The Door For A Different Kind Of What If

Christian’s potential affords the coaching staff flexibility in the quarterback room.

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