So Ole Miss can't even keep their grassroots **** held together...

[dawgstudent]

there is apparently so much in-fighting in their whole regime (between people inside the school and apparently people outside the school are fighting with each other - read below) that they can't win for losing. The original founders of Forward Rebels are no longer part of it. I really thought Forward Rebels were going about it the right way initially....then the newspaper ad this week reversed my feelings.

Stolen from NAFOOM:

"Friends, let me help you out and save you some time. James Harper and
I(David Bridgers) are no longer in the leadership of Forward Rebels. I
have posted what I have to say about that on the Ole Miss Spirit Message
board. If you pull the articles of incorporation, which has been done,
they reflect that we are the incorporators, as we were; however, we have
not been involved in a leadership capacity in over a month. I was under
the impression that the article were being amended. They are being
amended now.
As far as the present Forward Rebels leadership goes, they have a
spokesperson, who is Lee Habeeb. Any questions or concerns you may have
can be directed to him."

"That is all I have to say about Forward Rebels.
Personally, I hope everyone will focus on the important issue at hand,
which is how to make Ole Miss athletics great again. Then decide what
your action is. Once you figure that out, go do something because there
is no shortage of talk and board posts. Moreover, I strongly encourage
you all to focus on supporting our players this weekend. They have a
monumental task ahead of them with Georgia, and they will need
everyone's help. That is all I have to say. Thanks."

 

[dawgstudent]

there is apparently so much in-fighting in their whole regime (between people inside the school and apparently people outside the school are fighting with each other - read below) that they can't win for losing. The original founders of Forward Rebels are no longer part of it. I really thought Forward Rebels were going about it the right way initially....then the newspaper ad this week reversed my feelings.

Stolen from NAFOOM:

"Friends, let me help you out and save you some time. James Harper and
I(David Bridgers) are no longer in the leadership of Forward Rebels. I
have posted what I have to say about that on the Ole Miss Spirit Message
board. If you pull the articles of incorporation, which has been done,
they reflect that we are the incorporators, as we were; however, we have
not been involved in a leadership capacity in over a month. I was under
the impression that the article were being amended. They are being
amended now.
As far as the present Forward Rebels leadership goes, they have a
spokesperson, who is Lee Habeeb. Any questions or concerns you may have
can be directed to him."

"That is all I have to say about Forward Rebels.
Personally, I hope everyone will focus on the important issue at hand,
which is how to make Ole Miss athletics great again. Then decide what
your action is. Once you figure that out, go do something because there
is no shortage of talk and board posts. Moreover, I strongly encourage
you all to focus on supporting our players this weekend. They have a
monumental task ahead of them with Georgia, and they will need
everyone's help. That is all I have to say. Thanks."

 

[rabiddawg]

since James Meredith dropped by. Maybe he needs to become Chancellor

 

[Todd4State]

formerly Sadaam Hussein's secretary for administration that told the world that the US army was not in Iraq?

 

[Original48]

nmDS

 

[PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA]

There is a strong Gump vibe from his words.

 

[biguglyjoe]

Jerk Store!!!!

 

[Sapsdawg]

Bridgers? Habeeb? Are those Vicksburg folks? We have both Bridgers and Habeebs in the red carpet city of the south.

 

[BehrDawg]

These poor bastards are so damn desperate to win, I am willing to bet they get in some big trouble within the next 5 years for pulling something similar to what Auburn did last year in it's recruiting practices. </p>

 

[EAVdog]

I know some Habeeb's but mainly girls my age. The Lebanese are well represented in the burg, the Dinner's at St. George's are awesome. Seems out of character to me for the David Bridgers of V'burg to be tied up with the 'Save the Col.' crew. But I haven't been around the guy since High School so who knows.

 

[Shmuley]

who would have personal knowledge of a time when "Ole Miss was 'great'" ?

Can't be very many.

 

[DirtyLopez]

and including the academic shenanigans and with what went on last year,when does something happen? And for them to march a different old white man out with each player on senior days, tells me they are either that smug or they have a deal with someone. I know for a school that pulls as much **** as they apparently do, they are getting a terrible return.</p>

 

[olemissbydamn]

I don't know Bridgers, but I hate to see misinformation spread about him.

From what I understand (and he has posted this on the spirit), he was one of the founding members of the Forward Rebels campaign. He is most definitely not in the Save the Colonel crowd. He helped form the group to help facilitate some changes in the administration.

At some point, the part of this group (most likely some of the Save the Colonel crowd) decided to bring in/hire Lee Habeeb, a conservative talk show producer originally from Virginia. He married an OM girl, moved to Oxford at some point, and is producing several conservative talk shows from Oxford (Laura Ingraham show is one of them). It appears that many of the original founders of Forward Rebels jumped ship once the Save the Colonel crowd took over and brought in the hired gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Habeeb

 

[futaba.79]

then you'd be 62 or so today. So most of the fans that remember their true glory days are at least mid 60's. You know how childhood memories are - everything was great when you were a kid.

 

[RebelBruiser]

And as much as I hate to say it, we will be better off when that generation dies off.

Hell, our former chancellor that still sits in an advisory capacity with the school and our current AD were both a part of the "glory days", so we're heavily influenced by people who have personal knowledge of when we were a briefly a national power.

That generation has been in the perpetual search for the next Vaught, which means that they overvalue anyone or anything that have any relation to Vaught or any relation to one of his former players. It sometimes even extends to anyone that has any relation to Ole Miss as a former player, Vaught connection or not.

These are the type of people that want Deuce McAllister or Archie Manning to be our AD and Kent Austin to be our head football coach. They don't realize that it isn't coming back, and if it were coming back, resurrecting Vaught and/or former Rebel players is not going to be what makes it come back.

 

[Foronce]

nevermind... you can't tell if it is him or not... who knows with google.

 

[MedDawg]

who would have personal knowledge of a time when "Ole Miss was 'great'" ?

Can't be very many.

You can go ahead and round Ole Miss' up to 50 years. No way they win the SEC Championship in the next two years.

 

[DoNotWakeTheGimp]

As I recall I thought at that time they were in a death spiral....no so...brought in little known Tubby and he turned the ship around. These things run in cycles.

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously, as soon as the ad went in the paper, the validity of Forward Rebels went out the window.

 

[EAVdog]

The David Bridgers I knew was/is a standup guy. I don't know if theses are the same folks but I could see where he'd want to seperate himself form the Rebel Flag wavers mixed into that group. Whoever it is felt pretty strongly about not being associated anymore, good call on his part.
There is not much positive that can come from being so adversarial as to put ads in the paper. I understand the frustration but I just can't see that being a way to move forward. Not to even mention what type of precedent it could set.

(I'm totally craving some Kibbe after all this)

 

[windcrysmary]

and sure enough they did...I remember when JWS was doing good and we were beating them then, they would pull a few shocker classes and steer our leans their way.... no telling what they will do after this year...when desperation sits in, that's when the "surprising" players seem to just fall in their laps

 

[gdogg]

nm

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't know about you, but I think for either of our programs the way the SEC is structured and the limitations we have, seeing 1 SEC title in your lifetime would be a big accomplishment.

And guess what, it's going to get that much more difficult when we add A&M and maybe Missouri and maybe 2 other teams in the future.

You won't see either of us beating down that SEC title door anytime soon.

When you look back at the history, even recent history, the only times either of us have had a chance at winning the West and even playing for the title is when the balance of power has shifted to the East and it coincides with up years for us. The best years for Ole Miss and MSU are always going to fall in that Top 15-20 range. When the balance of power is in the West, we aren't winning the division period without some serious lucky bounces that happen to coincide with one of our up years.

If we expand to 14 or 16 teams, adding one or two more solid programs to the West, that makes it even less likely that ALL of the elite potential programs in the West will be down at the same time with the balance of power in the East. That's just reality.

My hope is that I see one SEC title before I die. I figure I have another 50 years or so. If I see that, I'm happy. That's reality.

 

[MedDawg]

As I recall I thought at that time they were in a death spiral....no so...brought in little known Tubby and he turned the ship around. These things run in cycles.

That Tuberville excelled at OM is a myth--he won 8 games one time. Heck, Croom did that.

I know OM was on probation, but some fans act like Tuberville won a lot in Oxford, and he didn't.

 

[DoNotWakeTheGimp]

As I recall I thought at that time they were in a death spiral....no so...brought in little known Tubby and he turned the ship around. These things run in cycles.

That Tuberville excelled at OM is a myth--he won 8 games one time. Heck, Croom did that. I know OM was on probation, but some fans act like Tuberville won a lot in Oxford, and he didn't.

The position that they were in at that time led me tothink that there were going to gowell under500 for several years and it did not happen much to my chagrin.

 

[RebelBruiser]

His record wasn't all that good, but he took a program that had just been handed sanctions to where we could only sign around 25 scholarship players combined over 2 years, with no TV for 1 year, no bowl for 2 years, and he had us back to respectable by the time Year 3 came around, and we were bowling the first year we came off probation, then bowling again in Year 4. The 1999 and 2000 teams, the first two years after he left, were way more talented than you would've expected given the recruiting limitations we had.

Sure, his record was only 25-20 (12-20), but given the situation he inherited, that was a minor miracle.

I will always be grateful to Tuberville, because he took over a program that could've fallen into a "death spiral" and he gave it a pulse and a breath of life heading into the late 90s/early 00s.

 

[olemissbydamn]

As I recall I thought at that time they were in a death spiral....no so...brought in little known Tubby and he turned the ship around. These things run in cycles.

That Tuberville excelled at OM is a myth--he won 8 games one time. Heck, Croom did that.

I know OM was on probation, but some fans act like Tuberville won a lot in Oxford, and he didn't.

Where did the poster say "excelled"? He said "turned the ship around". Tubs certainly did that.

I'd say that Auburn wouldn't have come calling if he didn't "excel".

Apparently Dan Mullen didn't excel last year by your definition. Or does one game make that much of a difference in your mind? Keep in mind that there were only 11 regular season games in 1997 and that we were on one of the worst probations ever, short of the death penalty.

Considering the circumstances, most would say taking a 4 win probation riddled team and get them to bowl eligibility in 3 of 4 years is excelling, despite what you may think. Croom took you to bowl eligibility in 1 out of 4 seasons despite playing 12 regular season games. There is the difference.

Most MSU fans would say that Sherill excelled, and I would agree considering the circumstances. I would agree despite the fact that Sherill was a .500 coach at MSU. Tubs was better than .500.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

 

[RougeDawg]

RebelBruiser wrote:

That generation has been in the perpetual search for the next Vaught, which means that they overvalue anyone or anything that have any relation to Vaught or any relation to one of his former players. It sometimes even extends to anyone that has any relation to Ole Miss as a former player, Vaught connection or not.

Because no longer can you circumvent the NCAA rules and regulations, by creating false Men's athletic teams (rowing, cycling, etc.) in order to hand our more than the allotted athletic football scholarships, as Vaught and Bryant did during those "Glory Years." End of story. Those two coaches are the reason for almost every NCAA scholarship and recruiting rule that the NCAA developed for collegiate athletics before Title 9 came into effect. What astounds me, is the fact that nobody ever talks about any of this when they talk about Bryant of Vaught, and how few people even know about this aspect of each of their careers.

 

[the1stCroMagnon]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Bruiser I ain't READY TO GO JUST YET! There will always be a small group that will control things such as hiring practices. (Ole Miss...See "O" (???) and yes even msu with Mullen (great Hire), but who made the selection? Obtw how about the bear..GOOD GRIEF!
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