You can state your opinion,but anyone who has another one is being contrarian. Gotcha
So, you think night games at WB have no emotional impact
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It's generally accepted that there is a HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE. It's factual that HFA is factored into the betting odds. So yeah, it's literally the definition of a contrarian.
Contrarian is the one who argues against well-established facts for the sake of arguing.
But that's the nature of forums.
If I stated that water was essential for life on earth, there is someone here on the forum who would argue against it.
If he did that, he's stupider than I thought. Sandstorm isn't even heard while play is in progress.
Home field advantage mainly rests in not having to travel and operating out of your own facilities. The hoopla is just pageantry. Once the hitting starts, it's all about execution - simple as that.
Yep. When I attend, I often sit it in the West Lower with a thirty-year scholarship donor and have seen two recent UPC/U of SC games from that vantage point - and a few more through the years. Orange can be seen throughout the section where big-time "fans" usually sit. I'm not saying big blocks of them, mind you, but many interspersed throughout our fanbase. From across the field, I've even seen them behind the glass upstairs. So, yeah, I'm comfortable with the statement I made.
Our engineering department is in charge of them.That's an incredible entrance, no doubt about it.
The all black uniforms are
After all these years, why can't we get those fire columns to consistently work? Are they that tricky and complicated?
Spencer Rattler's thoughts on the home environment,
"It's been awesome. I mean, we got the best home environment in the country. I think the best fan base. You know, they're so hyped every game throughout all four quarters. If it's a tight game, doesn't matter what your record is; it's awesome to see them show up and show out. So we're going to need that from them again Saturday. It's just a blessing playing in that venue, and never take it for granted."
"It's been awesome. I mean, we got the best home environment in the country. I think the best fan base. You know, they're so hyped every game throughout all four quarters. If it's a tight game, doesn't matter what your record is; it's awesome to see them show up and show out. So we're going to need that from them again Saturday. It's just a blessing playing in that venue, and never take it for granted."
If that were true then the HFA oddsmakers factor in would be the same for Vandy and LSU. I’m just telling you that doesn’t happen. But like I told Kid, congrats on not being a degenerate gambler.
Gamecock fans: lacking confidence in our pigskin prowess, finding hope in banal superficialities.
Ok?Gamecock fans: lacking confidence in our pigskin prowess, finding hope in banal superficialities.
Sounds like a future politician, saying things that simply aren't true with great conviction. It is either that; or, it goes to show the players really don't pay any attention to what is going on in the stadium.
Thanks for the psychoanalysis!
If venue environment has no advantages, why does Vegas give greater value to certain venue environments?
Players on the field and sidelines acknowledge fan participation all the time during the game and often encourage it, so they do pay attention.
If Rat thinks WB is full and crazy for four quarters he either isn't paying attention or he has some sort of neurological damage that makes him experience things that aren't happening.
Right. How would it look if he poo-pooed the fans? That would have NIL connotations.
Then he is real stupid. Last nights call in show he said we were a weapon. A quick google search quotes Andy Reid saying the fans won a recent game. Nick Saban says fans are vital to the success of his team. They stand on the field shoulder to shoulder with players actually fighting and running and jumping against people physically trying to stop them. But what do they know about the emotions and adrenaline of those warriors?? Seriously, I mean you watch the game miles away on a flat screen high def TV. You know more than they do surely. They are so stupid. Can you help me explain to my stupid friends how music they listen to can’t possibly make them feel happy or inspire them?
I didn't say that emotional expression doesn't make people happy,, only that such is of little causative value. Those coaches know it, too. They have a line they have to toe in order to pacify the fans. Fans need to feel as if they matter. Otherwise, they might stop buying tickets.
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I already explained that; there are creature inconveniences associated with playing on the road versus playing at home. Home crowd is nice, but if you don't have the physical and mental resources to win the game, you ain't winning the game.
I've also noticed how home crowds booing the refs don't get penalty calls reversed.
The delta seems to be larger than creature inconveniences would account for. No the crowd is not playing but to say they have zero impact when clearly you can see the visitor offense struggle with crowd noise and get false starts then the crowd had an impact. You also can see how the players feed off the energy from the crowd in a home situation.
Only the poorly coached, ill-prepared teams are adversely affected, and they don't tend to be very good anyway.
Yep, those false starts by the other teams are because they are enjoying the atmosphere
So Vandy stadium and crowd noise is close to LSU except for the team talent. Got it
If players don't know fans are even there and do not generate an impact on the game, why are defensive players always encouraging fans to make some noise by waving their arms to the crowd? Just exercising their arms?
Many times USC fans have family members and close friends that are Clemson fans. They go together. The same thing can be said at death Valley. There’s always lots of gamecock fans sitting beside Tiger fans. My father and two oldest brothers graduated from Clemson. My younger brother and I graduated from South Carolina. My two sons graduated from the university of Tennessee. I brought them with me last year to the game at WB. It’s not a big deal.
They do it to make the fans feel important. It's part of the marketing. The players are competitors. That's what drives them.
You could fill Vandy's stadium with their fans, with LSU having no fans at all. If Vandy's fans all yelled until they were all foaming at the mouth, even vomiting, I posit that LSU's margin of victory would not be reduced by a single point thereby.
It's not a big deal to me, but it does dilute the home crowd when you're talking about the UPC game. They're in there by the thousands.
It's because, in their performance anxiety, they get jumpy. Or it's because a player is generally undisciplined. Some players draw those penalties more than others; it's observable, and where they are ain't got nothing to do with it.
It’s also because they can’t hear their qb. It’s a variety of reasons, many you pointed out. Crowd noise is part of the equation.
I think we can win it. I don't think we can win it from the stands. I enjoy the pomp, pageantry, and mayhem. But I don't exaggerate my own importance, or that of those around me, to the proceedings. We are tangential at most. Happy Thanksgiving.
For starters:
1. Bowl eligibility on the line. For this team, that's huge
2. Renewed energy from 3 game win streak.
3. Clem isn't that good, more confidence in a W
4. Last ride for Ratt (potentially)
5. Maybe Juice plays? Could be the last time to see Ratt/Juice connecting.
There will be smatterings, bc there always is. But they're not going to have near as many as we are. Not even close.
The crowd was great - maybe the best ever down there. But euphoria can bring about self-deceit. We were just better than they were. We would have beaten them in an open field.
Right, the team that has to be uprooted and transported to strange surroundings and eat funny food.
Can we go back to arguing about HIPAA? That’s how bad THIS argument is.
I'll post this here for reading and discussion.