Some recent threads have me thinking. What game do you think was fixed.

[Mr. Potter]

Mine harkens back to the 2005 PSU FB team vs Michigan and the extra time on the clock.


That's why since, true or not true, real or imagined, that I feel things are or will be fixed in life.

 

[Auxgym]

Mine harkens back to the 2005 PSU FB team vs Michigan and the extra time on the clock.


That's why since, true or not true, real or imagined, that I feel things are or will be fixed in life.

Michigan BB at PSU with Webber and Rose. Is anyone stupid enough to think Uncle Ed was paying for friendship? Keep in mind fixing doesn't have to have anything to do with who is winning a game.

 

[BobPSU92]

Fixed or just a misunderstanding?

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

Well, these games for sure

 

[PSU87]

I do not think games are fixed.

However I do think officials are biased. In high school you called it "home town referees."

That bias applies to college refs as well, and is plainly evident against Penn State for anyone who is willing to see it.

I'm not talking about bad calls....they happen all tbe time. I'm not talking about bang bang calls or close calls.

I'm talking about calls so blatantly bad, they simply cannot be made in error, and are simply an eff you to Penn State.

Off the top of my head:

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

Hartstock bounce pass "completion"

Heel/toe

Tony Johnson coming down with TWO feet in bounds and being called OOB.

Calls that when you look at them and say "how could the ref have missed that?".... until you realize they DIDN'T miss it.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

I do not think games are fixed.

However I do think officials are biased. In high school you called it "home town referees."

That bias applies to college refs as well, and is plainly evident against Penn State for anyone who is willing to see it.

I'm not talking about bad calls....they happen all tbe time. I'm not talking about bang bang calls or close calls.

I'm talking about calls so blatantly bad, they simply cannot be made in error, and are simply an eff you to Penn State.

Off the top of my head:

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

Hartstock bounce pass "completion"

Heel/toe

Tony Johnson coming down with TWO feet in bounds and being called OOB.

Calls that when you look at them and say "how could the ref have missed that?".... until you realize they DIDN'T miss it.

O’Neill and Witvoet say hold my beer!

 

[psuro]

I do not think games are fixed.

However I do think officials are biased. In high school you called it "home town referees."

That bias applies to college refs as well, and is plainly evident against Penn State for anyone who is willing to see it.

I'm not talking about bad calls....they happen all tbe time. I'm not talking about bang bang calls or close calls.

I'm talking about calls so blatantly bad, they simply cannot be made in error, and are simply an eff you to Penn State.

Off the top of my head:

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

Hartstock bounce pass "completion"

Heel/toe

Tony Johnson coming down with TWO feet in bounds and being called OOB.

Calls that when you look at them and say "how could the ref have missed that?".... until you realize they DIDN'T miss it.

The Bartram foul call was a ref named Lickliter.

 

[bdgan]

The game where OSU kicked a FG 3 seconds after the play clock expired. Then claimed the replay camera was broken and they weren't allowed to look at the scoreboard replay? I also recall a leaping penalty against PSU. Never heard of that until that point

 

[BVSt.Paul]

I do not think games are fixed.

However I do think officials are biased. In high school you called it "home town referees."

That bias applies to college refs as well, and is plainly evident against Penn State for anyone who is willing to see it.

I'm not talking about bad calls....they happen all tbe time. I'm not talking about bang bang calls or close calls.

I'm talking about calls so blatantly bad, they simply cannot be made in error, and are simply an eff you to Penn State.

Off the top of my head:

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

Hartstock bounce pass "completion"

Heel/toe

Tony Johnson coming down with TWO feet in bounds and being called OOB.

Calls that when you look at them and say "how could the ref have missed that?".... until you realize they DIDN'T miss it.

I like the home town reference….When I was a very new attorney, I argued a motion in a rural county. After making what I thought was a point, the judge said, “Counsel, what you want to do and what you’re going to do, are two completely different things.” I walked out of the courtroom with opposing counsel and he said, “You jut got home towned .” 35+ years ago and I remember it clearly.

 

[bdgan]

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

Is there a video of this?

IIRC Bartram had a breakaway to the basket and was fouled from behind but the foul was called on Bartram.

 

[PSU Mike]

Is there a video of this?

IIRC Bartram had a breakaway to the basket and was fouled from behind but the foul was called on Bartram.

 

[Bessmoney]

Is there a video of this?

IIRC Bartram had a breakaway to the basket and was fouled from behind but the foul was called on Bartram.

Even Bobby Knight said it was the worst call he had ever seen. PSU would have won. I think Indiana was #1 at the time.

 

[PSU12046]

The game where OSU kicked a FG 3 seconds after the play clock expired. Then claimed the replay camera was broken and they weren't allowed to look at the scoreboard replay? I also recall a leaping penalty against PSU. Never heard of that until that point

Same game I believe. OSU catch.

 

[LionsAndBears]

Even Bobby Knight said it was the worst call he had ever seen. PSU would have won. I think Indiana was #1 at the time.

They were #1. To this day this is the most frastrating call to go against PSU MBB.

 

[BobPSU92]

a ref named Lickliter.

Is that his name or is that what he does?

 

[PSU12046]

TD! Huh?!?!

 

[bbrown]

Mine harkens back to the 2005 PSU FB team vs Michigan and the extra time on the clock.


That's why since, true or not true, real or imagined, that I feel things are or will be fixed in life.

Dont think they were "fixed" but do think the reffing was completely one sided...
#1. would be the 05 Michigan Game, added time, flat out drunken ball spotting that always seemed to favor Michy.
#2. is OSU and kind of just pick the year. There have been some very questionable ones: Bounced INT's, Bounced pass completed to their TE, added time allowed for FG's, Oddly called holding on a punt...
Now for what I believe as flat out "fixed". Absolutely the 2012 Nebraska game.

 

[Keyser Soze 16802]

The foul called against Greg Bartram vs Indiana in 93. Worst call I've ever seen in any sport.

I was at that game. Even Bobby Knight said it was a horrible call

 

[ManxomeLion]

I certainly think it's mainly bias, but the line between bias and "old boys club" blurs at a certain point.
Soon it morphs into "looking the other way" or rationalizations that it's a "bang-bang" call.
I'm still a bit incredulous when I read stories of coaches calling Lloyd Carr to complain about Conference referees, and timing and circumstances of when replay equipment conveniently seems to malfunction. Then there's the exotic penalties that seem to rarely if ever get called but seem to be elicited at crucial times.
I think the "old boys club" favoring the Big Two has faded a bit (though the Big Ten game scheduling would contract that notion) though the unconscious bias still plays a role. And let's not forget that with bowl $$$$ at play, itwe should not fool ourselves as to how unbiased ANY human activity is when revenue is on the line.

 

[PSUJam]

1997 NLCS game 5

 

[ManxomeLion]

The game where OSU kicked a FG 3 seconds after the play clock expired. Then claimed the replay camera was broken and they weren't allowed to look at the scoreboard replay? I also recall a leaping penalty against PSU. Never heard of that until that point

Big Ten explains officiating errors in Ohio State-Penn State game

The missed interception call was attributed to "technical difficulties" in the replay booth.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[PSUJam]

 

[Relayer]

This is easy. The 1972 Olympic Men's Basketball Gold Medal Game...USSR 51 USA 50

 

[mmp121]

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Same game I believe. OSU catch.

I believe that was called an INT. Ball was on the ground and 'replay' equipment was not working even though it was shown on the stadium screens and TV showed it clearly hit the ground. Ref's couldn't use that to determine it was incomplete pass, tOSU ball, early in the game.

 

[CDLionFL]

Regarding the Bartram call -- the official to blame is the one that was opposite the table who totally missed the shirt grab. From Lickliter's angle, he only sees Bartram's push off. He can't see the jersey grab. I'm not defending the call at all because it was a pathetic sequence. I'm just giving y'all the perspective of how basketball officials see things.

As far as fixed games -- that 2012 Nebraska game is a great call -- a game WITH replay and they still don't overturn the fumble call when the ball was held with 2 hands over the plane of the goal line. The Iowa double OT game where Joe ran down Honig afterwards could be another one. And if some really wanted to get wild theories going, how about some 3rd string defensive player being on the take for allowing Indiana all those points at the end of the 1994 game?

 

[Nits74]

Regarding the Bartram call -- the official to blame is the one that was opposite the table who totally missed the shirt grab. From Lickliter's angle, he only sees Bartram's push off. He can't see the jersey grab. I'm not defending the call at all because it was a pathetic sequence. I'm just giving y'all the perspective of how basketball officials see things.

As far as fixed games -- that 2012 Nebraska game is a great call -- a game WITH replay and they still don't overturn the fumble call when the ball was held with 2 hands over the plane of the goal line. The Iowa double OT game where Joe ran down Honig afterwards could be another one. And if some really wanted to get wild theories going, how about some 3rd string defensive player being on the take for allowing Indiana all those points at the end of the 1994 game?

This was when, clearly, Penn State was not going to get any calls in any game. And only our QB would call it out for what it was.

 

[Wex18]

Not a game, but the 1985 NBA draft lottery giving Patrick Ewing to the Knicks. Bent and possibly frozen Knicks card placed in drum, making it stand out from the other six cards. The auditing firm running the lottery also had Knicks' owner as a client.

 

[johnmpsu]

Fixed is a powerful word but IN at PSU BB Bartram call is pretty darn close to fixed. Actually football officiating has been so biased, and not just against PSU, for so long that fixed is probably not a bad description. I remember a MI vs MN game that MN was crushing them.
My wife and daughter were loving it and I just kept telling them watch and learn. Sure enough fourth quarter comes along and officials stop calling offensive holding on MI and pass interference on MI. Officials can control a game with what they don't call. Of course, great MI comeback and they win. Yes, I'll go along with fixed.

 

[PSUJam]

I believe that was called an INT. Ball was on the ground and 'replay' equipment was not working even though it was shown on the stadium screens and TV showed it clearly hit the ground. Ref's couldn't use that to determine it was incomplete pass, tOSU ball, early in the game.

Same game.

 

[Nits1989]

https://pennstate.forums.rivals.com/threads/2005-michigan-vs-psu-game-bad-calls-in-gifs.62729/

Great run down of 2005 Penn State Michigan game. I remember the announcer exclaiming “look at that refs crooked walk” to give Michigan a first down. Lots of bad things happened. Gave Michigan the game. I read in a book that Joe said he thought about leaving the Big after that game. I also remember people trying to use Joe‘s statement against him in the wake of 2011, and I totally didn’t understand how it was relevant. His anger was justified by that game.

 

[JohnJumba]

2005, Carr was crying on the field and messed himself to get the extra time.

The refs then "missed" a chuck in the back and a trip right in front of them.

2 ignored penalties give mecheatagain and Carr the win.

 

[bbrown]

2005, Carr was crying on the field and messed himself to get the extra time.

The refs then "missed" a chuck in the back and a trip right in front of them.

2 ignored penalties give mecheatagain and Carr the win.

Not to mention the block in the back in the kick return that happened right in front of the ref or the even more egregious "Toe/Heel" catch that has never been called a "catch" since.

 

[Hugh Laurie]

Every close game with Michigan that PSU lost where Dave Witvoet, Dick Honig, and or John O'Neill participated.

 

[bbrown]

Every close game with Michigan that PSU lost where Dave Witvoet, Dick Honig, and or John O'Neill participated.

O' Neil may have been the worst of all. He didn't even try to hide it.

 

[ChiTownLionPSU]

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

My uncle said to me if there was ever a good time for a "fix" in sports it was the Ali-Foreman fight. He said had Foreman won, there was no one left in the heavyweight division to fight as Foreman had destroyed Frazier and everyone else and heavyweight boxing would have been boring for some time. So Ali wins and keeps it lucrative and how many years later Foreman re-captures the heavyweight crown at an advanced age.

 

[Bvillebaron]

The game where OSU kicked a FG 3 seconds after the play clock expired. Then claimed the replay camera was broken and they weren't allowed to look at the scoreboard replay? I also recall a leaping penalty against PSU. Never heard of that until that point

Actually they claimed the replay camera was broke on the OSU interception. That was bad enough but calling the FG good 3 seconds after the play clock expired was beyond inexcusable. Sitting in north end zone and FG attempt to south end zone. Clock expired, turned to my right and said to my buddy delay of game, looked back and the clowns said good FG.

 

[JakkL]

I think McQ had the over against Rutgers.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Actually they claimed the replay camera was broke on the OSU interception. That was bad enough but calling the FG good 3 seconds after the play clock expired was beyond inexcusable. Sitting in north end zone and FG attempt to south end zone. Clock expired, turned to my right and said to my buddy delay of game, looked back and the clowns said good FG.

Refs award two ridiculous calls to OSU

Ten of Ohio State's first-half points came after these two mis-calls.

www.sbnation.com

 

[Charlie1978]

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Same game I believe. OSU catch.

Yes this game and the Wisconsin game of 2011 were the peak anti-Penn State called games. The B1G never deserved us, never understand that PSU legitimized the league after the BIG 10's decline in the 1970-1980's. The Rose Bowls were annual pummelings by the PAC 10. And yet the group of in-bred wannabe's that run the league openly seek the end of the Happy Valley empire.