Back to back wins over Top10 teams is an eyeopener. It was not a fluke.
Spurrier, Muschamp and Beamer through 2 seasons
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Nope. Definitely not a fluke. UT, obviously. And, we took 1 point lead vs Clemson with 10:54 left in the game and they couldn't even manage a FG down the stretch.
Yeah- This won't go over well....but the last 2-3 football seasons have been different. The SEC is by far and away still the most dominant conference, with the best teams littering it, and play the best football generally.
But- winning in the SEC in the 90s and up til about 2015 was harder. It just was. We are in a weird era in CFB, and in the conference.
Spurrier at UF, Stallings at Bama, Terry Bowden at Auburn (smaller amount of time), Fulmer at Tenn, Richt at Georgia, Saban at Bama (best of all time, hands down), U. Meyer at UF, Miles at LSU, Malzahn at Auburn, Houston Nutt and Petrino at Arky (they won 60% of their games while there), Widenhofer and Bobby Johnson, then James Franklin at a place like Vandy, Mullen at UF, Stoops at UK....and now Smart at Ga....you have some long-standing HOF coaches and some really good coaches who had staying power at places we had to play week in and out prior to 2020. Some are still there - sure. But, most of those names from the last 20-30 years are not at the same places.
We still have the toughest road to deal with right now without question....but it's a little easier when you aren't facing one of the architects of the steel curtain one week, and then seeing a 150 win HC the next week. Either way- I don't care...I'm glad we have gotten some wins recently from any way possible.
The SEC East, for sure, has been on lockdown. It wasn't until we backed into the SECCG with 3 conference losses (still the only team to do that), that someone other than UT, UF or UGA won the East. Still, in 31 seasons, only 2 teams besides UT, UF and UGA have won the East. Us once and Mizzou twice. UT has won it 5 times. UGA has won it 10 times, but is the current power. UF has won it 13 times, primarily in the 90s.
In 30 seasons, no viable 4th team has emerged.
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While the SEC is good from top to bottom I think it is top heavy. After Bama, Georgia and LSU I think it is pretty wide open. We only have to play one of the top three unless we win the East. A lot of the rest of the teams come down to coaching and who has the best QB. If Rattler comes back we are way up on that second level. Even though Vandy played better talent wise they are third level.
Muschamp would have had a team that quit after Mizzou….we go 5-7 or 4-8 with Muschamp these past two years. You nailed it.
I guess it’s not a lie if you believe it. Your take on reality is comical. Let’s look shall we:
Sideline demaeanor: what exactly are you looking for? Are you wanting stoic and unenthusiastic? I think at the successful programs you find neither. Some will try to say Nick Saban is stoic but he’s animated as hell. Beamer does well IMO. Kirby acts the same and seems to work fine.
Fights with the press: lol…..the word “fight” is a little over the top. He addresses crap that needs to be spoken out loud….or would you prefer a mild mannered punching bag. He holds them accountable for dumbass comments and innuendos. I say touche’
Blaming fans? He continually praises fans for helping make a difference, pays respects all aspects of the program including the band, students, etc. Nit pick much?
Satterfield: That situation worked out perfectly. We won some big games and he left without Shane having to fire or retain him. As for the new OC, I guess we should let message boards make the hire and do the interviews. You have no clue whether this is a good or bad hire. You probably used the same talking points slamming the Shane hire. So far he’s doing well. History will tell if he’s a good hire or not.
Thin skin comment: Then you obviously don’t want me at the podium cause I think he uses good restraint. Always tell people don’t confuse my niceness with weakness… And it appears Shane operates that way. Good for him
One example was causing us points in the ND bowl game and not knowing what a blindside block was, complaining so much, to cost the team a 15-yard penalty, and then acting like a spoiled kid afterward( check the many clips, some even with music). Just one example of many. When someone is making almost 7 million a year, they need to be the face of the program and not have to have on-the-job training. But, since he has never been an OC, must less a HC, I just hope he continues to not hurt the players and the team in the process. By the way, have you ever seen a ref change his call, without a review process? The point is no, they do not, and a wise man knows that and uses restraint.
I agree with 864. I want him to defend his lot…but every week isn’t a time to do that. Gotta pick and choose a couple times. A little dramatic…and while it’s working now….that can grow old and backfire on you with ref crews. He isn’t perfect obviously ….although he has a lot of good about him and going for himself. I get what 864 is saying
Address things as they go…or they become legos. He is doing nothing wrong on that front and he is his on person, not a build of message board personality suggestions. He is moving us forward…..first time we’ve felt positive in a long time. So now we have posters trying to reshape his personality as their concern…..like I said, laughable. Some people look for misery anywhere they can find it. I’m not talking about you.
Did he overreact to the bad blindside block call? Yeah. Was the ref quick to throw a flag on him? Yeah. Ref gotta have a thicker skin there. Beamer was doing what every coach does. You ride the refs so they're more careful about future calls. You aren't trying to get the current call reversed. Every coach gets onto the refs about bad calls. Ever seen Saban? The call itself, was very borderline at best. There was nothing forcible about the contact. He was actually trying to pull up.
You gave us one example of one. Can you point to maybe 2-3 more?? I can't think of any.
1. Satterfield. 2. Not firing Satterfield after year 1. 3. Using an offense (pro-style)that does not suit our talent 4. Not going out this year and hiring the best college OC available instead of a TE coach. That enough or want me to go on?
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Listen, slapdick, you need to find some joy.
Nobody predicted squat from us last year, and we won a bowl game.
We were supposed to have a letdown this year, with 5 games being our ceiling. We won 8, beat 2 top 10 teams, back-to-back, and narrowly lost a great bowl game.
Has Beamer made mistakes? Sure. What's your point? Spurrier made some TERRIBLE hires and was responsible for the program being in the dumpster at the end of his tenure. All coaches make mistakes. At least Beamer's can be attributed to inexperience, unlike Spurrier's.
If you still have some petty axe to grind about Beamer, you're only making yourself look foolish and ignorant.
The HC of an SEC team should not be in an on-the-job training program. Either you know how to do a job, or you do not.
Especially not after you've been head coach for 30+ years like Spurrier was.
Your pathetic attempt at wit falls totally flat when seasoned, experienced coaches have made much greater mistakes than Beamer has thus far.
Some real contributors were encouraged to go elsewhere when Spurrier took over due to attitude problems. He and Holtz were very secure in the idea that they had a few years to get it rolling. They were legends. BOOM! really lucked up in year 2. He said in retrospect it might have made what followed look worse.
Interesting perspective. I will have to think about that one for awhile. One thing that is different is the portal. In one way, it allows the strong to get even stronger. But on the other hand, it allows the 2nd tier (us) to plug holes and have a better starting 22. I think that makes the odds better that on any given gameday against a tier 1 or 2 team, we have a better shot at an upset. A perfect example is us. We brought in Rattler and Wells in the portal. That probably changed our entire season & it would not have happened pre-portal. Players with a little more maturity can decide that they would rather play and start for a Tier 2 team than sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, or Michigan or somewhere else. Most kids today have very little patience and we can take advantage of that.
This is the ticket right here. The in game decision making tells me what we have in Beamer is very different that Muschamp. Beamer believes he can win every game and makes decisions accordingly. Muschamp went into games thinking it will be a miracle if we win.
Let's not forget Muschamp never beat Clemson. Shane's boys pulled it off at Clemmy in year 2 on a late field goal just like Spurrier.
Like FlebusJones just stated, Previous HCs did not have to contend with the transfer portal. I can't imagine that not having an impact.
Comparing the first 2 seasons of work by our newbie head coach to a hall of fame coach doesn't prove CSB is hall of fame coach material. Our history shows any new coach has a mountain to climb when taking over this program.
Lol, they really aren’t strikingly similar though. Not even close. Beamer has 1 loss where we were favored. He has 7 upset wins:
2021
Florida +20, 40-17
Auburn +7, 21-17
UNC +11, 38-21
2022
Kentucky +6, 24-14
Texas AM +4, 30-24
Tennessee +22, 63-38
Clemson +14.5, 31-30
muschamp had a few upsets in those first few seasons but nothing on the number or scale of what Beamer has done. He had no wins comparable to our wins over Tennessee or Clemson those first 2 seasons. Beamer had multiple wins as a double digit underdog in EACH of his first 2 seasons. Comparison is apples to oranges
I certainly don't think anyone was making that leap.
My only point in the OP was that our coaches have, historically, gotten off to promising starts. Going all the way back to Sparky Woods, who started off with a couple 6-win seasons when it was an 11-game schedule.
Yes, it has already been noted a few times above that there's more to Beamer's record than meets the eye.
But, really, all anyone cares about is the final record. 20 years from now, nobody's gonna care about the spread in certain games.
I see, and agree 2 seasons doesn't tell us much, buuuuut seeing progress from the beginning to the end (and building on it in successive seasons) does count for a lot IMHO, and Muschamp didn't build on any success.
Not sure I agree with that. One thing that will always stand out about our win over UNC in ‘81 to me was what a big upset that was. The big upsets always stand out. Wins over Florida last year and Tennessee this year were 2 of the biggest upsets in Gamecock football history.
I get your point- in the long haul all that really matters is wins and losses. But if you are trying to evaluate the actual performance of the coaches in a comparative fashion considering all the variables I’d say Beamer has had the best 2 year start of any coach in our history with the exception of Morrison