Staying or moving on, across college wrestling, 2023

[SRATH]

What I can't figure out......and maybe it is right in front of me.........why did MM go to Cal Baptist in the first place. Highly regarded recruit could have done just about anything. Goes to Cal Baptist in their first year of DI, then essentially drops out.

Did he think it was Cael Baptist?

Was the plan all along to have him tread water for a year then join the program when some $$ freed up?

 

[El_Jefe]

What I can't figure out......and maybe it is right in front of me.........why did MM go to Cal Baptist in the first place. Highly regarded recruit could have done just about anything. Goes to Cal Baptist in their first year of DI, then essentially drops out.

Did he think it was Cael Baptist?

Was the plan all along to have him tread water for a year then join the program when some $$ freed up?

He wasn't as highly regarded a recruit until he took world silver. Definitely a late bloomer.

I'd imagine spending most of this past year in Wisconsin (translated: training with Askren) didn't slow his growth.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Gronky]

Despite being a PSU fan, I agree with the sentiment completely! Starting to feel that way about college football & the SEC. Seems that there are 4-5 teams each year who can legitimately win & the rest are battling to make the playoff & then valiantly lose...

 

[Cyclingmike]

I would assume Cael understands that the team has had its shortcomings. Like only 8-9 National qualifiers fairly consistently. Why not try to fill the holes and have a more complete team? Beyond 184 and adding 157/165 it appears there is focus on depth across all weight classes. Thinking some will see how they measure up in the room and will have to decide what is in their future.

 

[SRATH]

Despite being a PSU fan, I agree with the sentiment completely! Starting to feel that way about college football & the SEC. Seems that there are 4-5 teams each year who can legitimately win & the rest are battling to make the playoff & then valiantly lose...

Yes and no. Okie State dominated and had runs like ours. Then it was Iowa.

As Cael has built out Penn State and the NLWC, I think the US as a whole has grown dramatically in stature from where it was when he first came to PSU. These things run in cycles.

All that said, money is dramatically changing college athletics and will continue to do so. PSU wrestling is one example.

 

[watoos]

Penn State is where it's at to fulfill wrestling childhood dreams.

Kyle Snyder came to Penn State, Thomas Gillman came to Penn State, Kyle Dake came to Penn State.

Bo wants MMA fighters to come to State College.

Penn State is the place to be to further your wrestling goals.

 

[Spinpsu]

Does that someone know about Nageo?

Love to know how Nageo’s visit to Iowa ? Bet they offered him a deal similar to Spencer. Hope he realizes wrestlers do not improve under the Brands brothers. That’s a fact. Nageo wants to be a National Champion and I’m sure a team title or few. Ton’s of exposure and great education. Bottom line I really hope our bigger donors are talking about the next offer. Be smart to make the offer tonight $$$$

 

[WV lion]

Love to know how Nageo’s visit to Iowa ? Bet they offered him a deal similar to Spencer. Hope he realizes wrestlers do not improve under the Brands brothers. That’s a fact. Nageo wants to be a National Champion and I’m sure a team title or few. Ton’s of exposure and great education. Bottom line I really hope our bigger donors are talking about the next offer. Be smart to make the offer tonight $$$$

Don't need to buy wrestlers, doing fine without having to outbid other teams.

 

[LB99]

Don't need to buy wrestlers, doing fine without having to outbid other teams.

What he $aid

 

[Spinpsu]

Don't need to buy wrestlers, doing fine without having to outbid other teams.

That’s only lasting until now in this day in age. Oh well gotta stay ahead. We have the Big Donor’s. Will see soon.

 

[El_Jefe]

Snacks transferring to Maryland.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Snacks transferring to Maryland.

 

[WV lion]

Good for Seth, wish him well.

 

[watoos]

That’s only lasting until now in this day in age. Oh well gotta stay ahead. We have the Big Donor’s. Will see soon.

We aren't doomed,

Cannon will work out just fine if we don't get Nagao. In 2 years our young recruits will be ready.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Karl_Havok]

For those who don’t want to listen to Pyles I’ll give you the tl;dr from the video.

Guys want to win more than anything else and that’s why go to Penn State.

 

[watoos]

I see Cannon beat Nagao 7-3.

 

[Spinpsu]

I see Cannon beat Nagao 7-3.

In the Consi round? Nagao will only be a sophomore though. Either one is going to be awesome. Just like Nagao for his years remaining. Think Cannon only has 1 year left. Surely we can beat Rutgers out $$$$

 

[clucas11]

There

For those who don’t want to listen to Pyles I’ll give you the tl;dr from the video.

Guys want to win more than anything else and that’s why go to Penn State.

Yes, he describes it as something very "pure"...they are (and always have been) driven to excellence and there is no better environment than that which the Penn State room provides. His point is that these guys have been traveling all over their entire lives in search of opponents and environments that would make them better/turn them into champions. It is no different for them now in college....Penn State has established itself as the gold standard. Cael and company have recruited this type of mentality for the past 12 years...kids want to be part of it, they want to be around others that have a championship mindset. There is no secret and it is really quite simple.

 

[El_Jefe]

Rowley in the portal. Former U17 world silver. Kinda surprising, has only been at Wisconsin 1 year and has an Olympic shirt available.

Spratley headed to OKST, no surprise there at all.

 

[GregPickel]

Nagao announcing tomorrow night on Baschmania podcast.

 

[LB99]

What’s our feeling at 133? Nagao or Cannon? Or neither?

 

[Spinpsu]

Nagao announcing tomorrow night on Baschmania podcast.

Just came off Iowa visit. Hummm. Guess we’ll see. Thinking Iowa offered a huge bag plus whatever else. Don’t think Cael will get in a bidding war. Not his style. Interesting.

 

[GregPickel]

Just came off Iowa visit. Hummm. Guess we’ll see. Thinking Iowa offered a huge bag plus whatever else. Don’t think Cael will get in a bidding war. Not his style. Interesting.

Yes, Pat Mineo thinks it's the Hawkeyes, which backs up what a poster said here on the board over the weekend or late last week.

 

[Spinpsu]

Yes, Pat Mineo thinks it's the Hawkeyes, which backs up what a poster said here on the board over the weekend or late last week.

Hopefully our big time donors will make one final offer tonight or tomorrow $$$$. Will see. Just wish he would do his homework on Iowa wrestling. Compare how our guys develop compared to them. Gotta be $$$$

 

[Michnit]

Hopefully our big time donors will make one final offer tonight or tomorrow $$$$. Will see. Just wish he would do his homework on Iowa wrestling. Compare how our guys develop compared to them. Gotta be $$$$

I could be $$$$’s, but doesn’t have to be. I am true PSU blue, but you can’t deny the success that Iowa has had at the light weights.

We dominate the middle weights up through 197, but they have a story to tell - including an almost 4x NCAA champ at the lower wt classes.

I do suspect that if Iowa wins out that it had to overpay to get him. However if we do land Cannon we will be solid at 133 with good to dominate guys at most other weight classes.

 

[jack66]

I could be $$$$’s, but doesn’t have to be. I am true PSU blue, but you can’t deny the success that Iowa has had at the light weights.

We dominate the middle weights up through 197, but they have a story to tell - including an almost 4x NCAA champ at the lower wt classes.

I do suspect that if Iowa wins out that it had to overpay to get him. However if we do land Cannon we will be solid at 133 with good to dominate guys at most other weight classes.

Over the last 10 years, PSU holds a 25-16 advantage in head-to-head matches (duals + postseason) against Iowa's lightweights (125-141).

Iowa has a rich history of success, but a decade of data points suggests a new narrative is being written.

 

[Spinpsu]

Over the last 10 years, PSU holds a 25-16 advantage in head-to-head matches (duals + postseason) against Iowa's lightweights (125-141).

Iowa has a rich history of success, but a decade of data points suggests a new narrative is being written.

Agree. Let's hope he has those same stats.

 

[ptomaselli]

I could be $$$$’s, but doesn’t have to be. I am true PSU blue, but you can’t deny the success that Iowa has had at the light weights.

We dominate the middle weights up through 197, but they have a story to tell - including an almost 4x NCAA champ at the lower wt classes.

I do suspect that if Iowa wins out that it had to overpay to get him. However if we do land Cannon we will be solid at 133 with good to dominate guys at most other weight classes.

Don't 133 and 141 also count as lower weights? Because RBY & Nick Lee have essentially had their way with the Hawkeyes over the past few years.

 

[GregPickel]

 

[Michnit]

Don't 133 and 141 also count as lower weights? Because RBY & Nick Lee have essentially had their way with the Hawkeyes over the past few years.

Yes they do, but Real Woods, Austin DeSanto & Thomas Gilman have likewise been pretty dominant. I’m not saying that Iowa is great, & PSU hasn’t had anything at the lower weights. I said that Iowa has a good history to sell, & I guess that I’ll stand by that.

 

[JBott]

In the Consi round? Nagao will only be a sophomore though. Either one is going to be awesome. Just like Nagao for his years remaining. Think Cannon only has 1 year left. Surely we can beat Rutgers out $$$$

Cannon has 2 years of eligibility, if he chooses to use them.

 

[El_Jefe]

Yes they do, but Real Woods, Austin DeSanto & Thomas Gilman have likewise been pretty dominant. I’m not saying that Iowa is great, & PSU hasn’t had anything at the lower weights. I said that Iowa has a good history to sell, & I guess that I’ll stand by that.

In the past 10 years, Iowa, PSU, and Ohio State have won the same number of titles at 125-141. Cornell has 1 less.

If we lower that standard to AA, sure, Iowa has an edge. But Nagao is already an AA -- he doesn't need to go to Iowa to become one.

I'd also use Gilman as a cautionary tale about Iowa. He never won an NCAA title because he couldn't beat his PSU counterpart, and when Nico graduated, got upset by Cruz because he couldn't find any offense. And his freestyle career hit a plateau until he moved to NLWC.

 

[clucas11]

Don't 133 and 141 also count as lower weights? Because RBY & Nick Lee have essentially had their way with the Hawkeyes over the past few years.

Going back to 2010-->McDonough, Lee, Gilman, Clark, Ramos, DeSanto, Eierman, Woods...pretty formidable group (7 titles). Penn State combats that with Nico, RBY, and Lee (5 titles). A good bit more depth to Iowa's lightweight contingent over the past 13 years. Lets put it this way, when you are comparing All-Americans, Iowa has a pretty sizable lead in the 125-141 weight classes.

 

[ptomaselli]

Yes they do, but Real Woods, Austin DeSanto & Thomas Gilman have likewise been pretty dominant. I’m not saying that Iowa is great, & PSU hasn’t had anything at the lower weights. I said that Iowa has a good history to sell, & I guess that I’ll stand by that.

RBY was a 5 time AA and 2 time NC...I'll take him over DeSanto any day of the week. RBY hasn't lost to Austin since 2019 (RBY was 4W-2L vs Iowa). Likewise for Nick Lee...I'll take him over anyone Iowa had at 141 any day. (Nick was 8W-1L vs Iowa). It's PSU that's been dominant at those weights.

As far as 125, you've got me with Gilman. We haven't been OK there since Suriano was injured. Then again, Gilman is now in OUR wrestling room.

 

[ptomaselli]

Going back to 2010-->McDonough, Lee, Gilman, Clark, Ramos, DeSanto, Eierman, Woods...pretty formidable group (7 titles). Penn State combats that with Nico, RBY, and Lee (5 titles). A good bit more depth to Iowa's lightweight contingent over the past 13 years. Lets put it this way, when you are comparing All-Americans, Iowa has a pretty sizable lead in the 125-141 weight classes.

True. Iowa has more depth. 125, yes, you've got me there. But recency of titles indicates we have turned the tide at 133 & 141.

 

[LB99]

Going back to 2010-->McDonough, Lee, Gilman, Clark, Ramos, DeSanto, Eierman, Woods...pretty formidable group (7 titles). Penn State combats that with Nico, RBY, and Lee (5 titles). A good bit more depth to Iowa's lightweight contingent over the past 13 years. Lets put it this way, when you are comparing All-Americans, Iowa has a pretty sizable lead in the 125-141 weight classes.

In 2014, Zain was B1G runner up and placed 5th at NCAA Tournament resulting in All-American status at 141 for PSU. He finished the season 33-3 as a true freshman.
In 2023, Beau finished 3rd and captured All-American status at 141.

Iowa conveniently lets 141 out of the conversation when this topic comes up.

 

[Daveb9127]

Yes ! Got him!

 

[Daveb9127]

133 is solid again !!