Steelers vs. Chiefs thread

LB99

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TJ Watt disappears in big games. 1 tackle and still no sacks in a playoff game. Total non factor. An edge rusher should not be the highest paid player. Bad investment.
3 tackles. 2 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass deflection that directly resulted in a INT, and 1 fumble recovery for a TD. 3 QB hits. Constant pressure in the backfield all night and had a hand in 2 turnovers despite frequently being double teamed at the LOS. He’s your DPOY and worth every penny.
 

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3 tackles. 2 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass deflection that directly resulted in a INT, and 1 fumble recovery for a TD. 3 QB hits. Constant pressure in the backfield all night and had a hand in 2 turnovers despite frequently being double teamed at the LOS. He’s your DPOY and worth every penny.
Lol, too easy.
 

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3 tackles. 2 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass deflection that directly resulted in a INT, and 1 fumble recovery for a TD. 3 QB hits. Constant pressure in the backfield all night and had a hand in 2 turnovers despite frequently being double teamed at the LOS. He’s your DPOY and worth every penny.
It's not even worth the time responding to that D bag.
 
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As usual, Steelers are the last team in Pennsylvania still standing.
And not for very long. Just a scant few hours longer than the usher NFL team. But hey-yinz are proud N’at.
 

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Man, Stillers fans are touchy when they are getting scraped off the pavement you don’t genuflect to the black and gold and mention the four super bowls from almost half a century ago.
 
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Mahomes is the best qb I've seen since Elway. The guy is unbelievable and can do everything. He's easy to root for.
Absolutely. I’ve said for years that Elway is the best QB I’ve ever seen. Mahomes is the first to come along who fits that mold.
 

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Brady is an outstanding decision maker, but he doesn't have the physical tools Mahomes has. Mahomes can take an absolutely shut down and busted play and still make something out of it. He can carry a team.
I'm not anti-Brady nor am I a Brady fanboy but he can carry a team every bit as well as Mahomes. He won a Super Bowl in his first year with the Bucs. I doubt they would have won without him. I know the rebuttal to that would be he's always had a lot of pieces around him to make him look good. But that same can be said about Mahomes. Would he have had the same success without Hill, Kelce, etc.?

And I'm not sure how "physical tools" play into it. I will say a guy can't play 22 years in the NFL without having "physical tools" of some sort. There is a long list of NFL draft busts who had physical tools but washed out. Mahomes and Brady are both excellent QBs who bring their own unique abilities to the table. Brady has been getting it done at a high level for two decades. Physical tools or not, that's a guy I want leading my team.
 
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Brady is an outstanding decision maker, but he doesn't have the physical tools Mahomes has. Mahomes can take an absolutely shut down and busted play and still make something out of it. He can carry a team.
I agree that he is the new Ben. That td to kelce while he was running for his life was like Ben 10 years ago.
 

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Brady is an outstanding decision maker, but he doesn't have the physical tools Mahomes has. Mahomes can take an absolutely shut down and busted play and still make something out of it. He can carry a team.
Brady is, in part, a product of a system (team and league) that has made it easier than ever to play QB. This is not to diminish his skill at all. Rules changes and modern medicine have made Brady last as long as he has. In addition to being the most coddled of an ultra-coddled position, (let’s face it - he’s never had any reason to fear stepping up in the pocket…if he had played a generation before his time, his career would’ve been over after he busted his knee in ‘08 or ‘09?), he’s had help from an organization that has shown no issues with playing beyond the rule book.

Elway >> Brady and Mahomes is the next Elway.
 
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Brady is, in part, a product of a system (team and league) that has made it easier than ever to play QB. This is not to diminish his skill at all. Rules changes and modern medicine have made Brady last as long as he has. In addition to being the most coddled of an ultra-coddled position, (let’s face it - he’s never had any reason to fear stepping up in the pocket…if he had played a generation before his time, his career would’ve been over after he busted his knee in ‘08 or ‘09?), he’s had help from an organization that has shown no issues with playing beyond the rule book.

Elway >> Brady and Mahomes is the next Elway.
Well said. Three, maybe four years ago Steve Young explained in an interview that QB’s today must be viewed differently due to the rule changes. He went onto say that QB stats and a players longevity is a direct byproduct of rule changes and not necessarily superior skills.
 
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Yes. Dances too much, poor top end speed, and fails to realize he can’t kick everything outside and beat NFL defenders to the edge. May have worked in college . . .
Respectfully disagree. Second in the league in overall yards this year to Taylor. Everydown back who, behind a good OL, would be the rookie of the year. Some games he was the only offense the Steelers had. Dominated the Cleveland game a few weeks ago with nearly 200 yards. My only fear is the inept OL and offense will force the Steelers to pound him into the ground and his career will be very short. The same fear I had for Saquon….
 

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Well said. Three, maybe four years ago Steve Young explained in an interview that QB’s today must be viewed differently due to the rule changes. He went onto say that QB stats and a players longevity is a direct byproduct of rule changes and not necessarily superior skills.
And Young would know…he was one tough QB and among the last of the era under the old rules.
 
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And Young would know…he was one tough QB and among the last of the era under the old rules.
I really enjoy watching the game. I actually took an interest at a very young age 9 (maybe 10). I remember watching Fran Tarkenton, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach, Bert Jones and of course Terry Bradshaw. These guys played with inferior equipment and a bullseye on their back. By the way, I stood 10 yards or so from Steve Young about 9 years ago and he’s not that tall. I’m 5’ 9” and Steve Young was marginally taller, maybe 6’ and I’m being generous. Now think about the devastating hits he took throughout his career.
 
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Respectfully disagree. Second in the league in overall yards this year to Taylor. Everydown back who, behind a good OL, would be the rookie of the year. Some games he was the only offense the Steelers had. Dominated the Cleveland game a few weeks ago with nearly 200 yards. My only fear is the inept OL and offense will force the Steelers to pound him into the ground and his career will be very short. The same fear I had for Saquon….
As much as I love Harris, This team lost Decastro, Pouncey, and Villanueva and did nothing to address those losses. I think Harris has so much talent, but I sure hope he doesn't turn into another Barkley and he is wasted here behind a bad OL.
 

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As much as I love Harris, This team lost Decastro, Pouncey, and Villanueva and did nothing to address those losses. I think Harris has so much talent, but I sure hope he doesn't turn into another Barkley and he is wasted here behind a bad OL.
The bigger loss was Munchak as OL coach. Those very players you mentioned started a very fast decline when he left and 2 of them are now out of football and Villanueva is a shell of the player he once was. I agree they do need to address those holes on OL. That’s why, if the Iowa Center is available when they pick, I think it is a no brainer that you take him. Move Green to G. He struggled at C. They need a legitimate OT also.
 
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And second most touches ever without a fumble.

This is what drives me nuts. Harris gets them into 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2 situations and they stop running him. He's a big, powerful back. The Steelers need to limit the number of Chiefs drives, they need to keep their defense fresh. They need to shorten the game against a superior opponent. Instead the best player on offense isn't used.
 
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3 tackles. 2 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass deflection that directly resulted in a INT, and 1 fumble recovery for a TD. 3 QB hits. Constant pressure in the backfield all night and had a hand in 2 turnovers despite frequently being double teamed at the LOS. He’s your DPOY and worth every penny.
Garbage time sack. How many rings is he going to get? ZERO! He is not worth the money and his family is insufferable. He probably will not play in another playoff game for the Steelers.
 

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I think what hurt Ben the worst is how much the offense changed since winning his first Super Bowl against Seattle. Those early offenses had balance and continuity. A running attack that included two RB’s, a passing attack that had two deep threats and a slot TE. Today the game morphed into a pass, pass and then pass again offense. I can’t speak for anyone but it’s sad to see Ben retire, especially the Ben who beat Seattle and Arizona.
I think what hurt Ben the worst was the beatings he took throughout his career and especially early. Ben was not always the benefactor of the new rules like Brady or some smaller QBs. Heck, even Cam Newton was allowed to be banged upon more than most QBs in the last decade. A large part of it is their style of play, but you still see others get more "protection" when scrambling or "in the grasp." I think officials felt Ben could break free or shake off hits and make something happen, thus they swallowed their whistles and flags.
 

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3 tackles. 2 TFL, 1 sack, 1 pass deflection that directly resulted in a INT, and 1 fumble recovery for a TD. 3 QB hits. Constant pressure in the backfield all night and had a hand in 2 turnovers despite frequently being double teamed at the LOS. He’s your DPOY and worth every penny.
This.
 
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I think what hurt Ben the worst was the beatings he took throughout his career and especially early. Ben was not always the benefactor of the new rules like Brady or some smaller QBs. Heck, even Cam Newton was allowed to be banged upon more than most QBs in the last decade. A large part of it is their style of play, but you still see others get more "protection" when scrambling or "in the grasp." I think officials felt Ben could break free or shake off hits and make something happen, thus they swallowed their whistles and flags.
That’s the Brady Effect in reverse. Brady is immobile so he gets the breaks on roughing.
 
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I think what hurt Ben the worst was the beatings he took throughout his career and especially early. Ben was not always the benefactor of the new rules like Brady or some smaller QBs. Heck, even Cam Newton was allowed to be banged upon more than most QBs in the last decade. A large part of it is their style of play, but you still see others get more "protection" when scrambling or "in the grasp." I think officials felt Ben could break free or shake off hits and make something happen, thus they swallowed their whistles and flags.

That’s the Brady Effect in reverse. Brady is immobile so he gets the breaks on roughing.
I don't understand the "Brady gets breaks but Ben doesn't" theory so maybe someone can explain it to me. The first quote above claims Brady received benefits from new rules which Ben didn't even though Brady has played longer. And it's not like Brady is small. He's 6'4" compared to Ben's 6'5". Maybe Ben has taken more of a beating than Brady but Brady doesn't hold the ball as long thus minimizing his exposure. He (Ben) has been sacked more than any QB in league history since they started tracking the stat. Brady is #2 even though he's played four more seasons.
 
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I don't understand the "Brady gets breaks but Ben doesn't" theory so maybe someone can explain it to me. The first quote above claims Brady received benefits from new rules which Ben didn't even though Brady has played longer. And it's not like Brady is small. He's 6'4" compared to Ben's 6'5". Maybe Ben has taken more of a beating than Brady but Brady doesn't hold the ball as long thus minimizing his exposure. He (Ben) has been sacked more than any QB in league history since they started tracking the stat. Brady is #2 even though he's played four more seasons.
It’s simple. What is easier to hit, an object that moves or an immobile one? And more to the point, which is likely to be more anticipated by observers (refs), one with a reputation for mobility or immobility?
 

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I don't understand the "Brady gets breaks but Ben doesn't" theory so maybe someone can explain it to me. The first quote above claims Brady received benefits from new rules which Ben didn't even though Brady has played longer. And it's not like Brady is small. He's 6'4" compared to Ben's 6'5". Maybe Ben has taken more of a beating than Brady but Brady doesn't hold the ball as long thus minimizing his exposure. He (Ben) has been sacked more than any QB in league history since they started tracking the stat. Brady is #2 even though he's played four more seasons.
Good argument until you said Brady sacked second most.
Both played forever in more games is probably the reason for that. Ben took beatings because he was the type of player than ran and hit people. Brady stayed in the pocket and patriots offense relied on quick hitters to welker amendola and then Edelman. They perfected that short pass and that prolonged Brady’s career.
 
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