Sunday complaint: What’s with all the song covers?

Connorpozlee

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So, your stance is that you have no stance, but wanted to make sure you shared your thoughts on what you thought someone else's stance would be, because this issue isn't important enough to have your own stance, but is important enough to guess what someone else's stance might be, even though it's really your stance?
You should try breaking up your thoughts into multiple sentences.
I’m now changing my stance to this. You have become unhinged.
 

Moogy

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You should try breaking up your thoughts into multiple sentences.
I’m now changing my stance to this. You have become unhinged.

If I broke that thought up into multiple sentences, it wouldn't have highlighted the absurdity of your stanceless stance. Oy. You might need to chug a couple butterscotch lattes to jumpstart that noggin.
 

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If I broke that thought up into multiple sentences, it wouldn't have highlighted the absurdity of your stanceless stance. Oy. You might need to chug a couple butterscotch lattes to jumpstart that noggin.
Do you police all of the internet message boards or are you focused on the very important task of having people clarify their stances on this board alone?
Keep up the good work! You’re making a meaningful difference in the world with your work here and society is better for it!
 
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The term "artist" gets thrown around pretty loosely these days. If you don't write your own songs or play your own instrument you aren't an artist, you're just a product- like SPAM.
Singers aren't artists? That's a bad take....
 

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Do you police all of the internet message boards or are you focused on the very important task of having people clarify their stances on this board alone?
Keep up the good work! You’re making a meaningful difference in the world with your work here and society is better for it!
WTF?! I responded to someone's direct reply to ME. In what world is that "policing" anything?! By contrast, YOU swooped in to comment on behalf of another (more of a passive aggressive expression of your own stance, but I digress) ... now that would be more of a policing action than anything I've written here. In fact, the person to whom I replied, before you swooped in, was "policing" on behalf of another poster. You're a mess.
 

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WTF?! I responded to someone's direct reply to ME. In what world is that "policing" anything?! By contrast, YOU swooped in to comment on behalf of another (more of a passive aggressive expression of your own stance, but I digress) ... now that would be more of a policing action than anything I've written here. In fact, the person to whom I replied, before you swooped in, was "policing" on behalf of another poster. You're a mess.
Man, you’re taking this all way, way too seriously. You’re bothering breaking down the posts in this thread like you’re breaking down game film. This seems to matter very much to you. I’ll let you have the last words (50+ of them I’m sure, in one run-on sentence) as I will move on.
Enjoy the rest of your day!
 
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Man, you’re taking this all way, way too seriously. You’re bothering breaking down the posts in this thread like you’re breaking down game film. This seems to matter very much to you. I’ll let you have the last words (50+ of them I’m sure, in one run-on sentence) as I will move on.
Enjoy the rest of your day!
here's the problem with your statement, I doubt Moogy knows how to break down game film.
 
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Moogy

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Man, you’re taking this all way, way too seriously. You’re bothering breaking down the posts in this thread like you’re breaking down game film. This seems to matter very much to you. I’ll let you have the last words (50+ of them I’m sure, in one run-on sentence) as I will move on.
Enjoy the rest of your day!

Projection, thy name is connorpozlee.
 

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I'm not speaking for me, but MYOB, although I don't have a take on the issue.
MYOB? It's a public message board, ffs.
If I would have it wouldn't have additionally highlighted the absurdity...
 

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I'm not speaking for me but, I know, right?! But I don't have a take on the issue.



Wut? If you would have what? Chucked wood?
MMOB.
Why would we be talking about throwing pieces of lumber?
That would be absurd.
 

Bkmtnittany1

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Man, you’re taking this all way, way too seriously. You’re bothering breaking down the posts in this thread like you’re breaking down game film. This seems to matter very much to you. I’ll let you have the last words (50+ of them I’m sure, in one run-on sentence) as I will move on.
Enjoy the rest of your day!
Just tell him he is right! It is important to him to “Win” on a meaningless, insignificant, bullsh*t, message board!
 
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Moogy

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MMOB.
Why would we be talking about throwing pieces of lumber?
That would be absurd.
I'm not speaking for me, but how much would could you chuck if you could chuck would and absurdly minded your own business? But I don't have a take on the issue.
 
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Grant Green

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I go into coffee shops and restaurants and am bombarded with covers. Most of them suck balls. What’s with all the cover horse-a$$? And who are these clowns covering songs instead of writing their own material? For f*ck’s sake.

Often times, an “artist” can’t win with a cover. Do it the same, and it’s just a big “What’s the f*cking point?” Use artistic license, and you ruin a classic.

Just write your own stuff and leave the originals alone. For f*ck’s sake.
Personally, I prefer the 'artistic license' approach to a cover, unless the band is a tribute band where the expectation is to imitate the original. I enjoy hearing different takes on an original (change it from 4/4 to 3/4, make a ballad an upbeat song or vice versa, change the genre, reharmonize....) better than hearing a copy. However, I think it's a good idea to avoid the "classics". It's easier to improve on an ordinary song than to top an all time great.

That said, I appreciate musicians more that can write their own stuff. It's hard to do and it takes a lot more creativity than doing a cover.
 

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Personally, I prefer the 'artistic license' approach to a cover, unless the band is a tribute band where the expectation is to imitate the original. I enjoy hearing different takes on an original (change it from 4/4 to 3/4, make a ballad an upbeat song or vice versa, change the genre, reharmonize....) better than hearing a copy. However, I think it's a good idea to avoid the "classics". It's easier to improve on an ordinary song than to top an all time great.

That said, I appreciate musicians more that can write their own stuff. It's hard to do and it takes a lot more creativity than doing a cover.
That said, I'm sitting in with a cover band at Duffer's Tavern in Glen Mills, PA on 2/28 at 7pm if anyone in the area is looking for something to do!
 

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I'm not speaking for me, but how much would could you chuck if you could chuck would and absurdly minded your own business? But I don't have a take on the issue.
"Would"? I am speaking for your 2nd grade teacher. I do not think that word means what you think it does.
 
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"Would"? I am speaking for your 2nd grade teacher. I do not think that word means what you think it does.
I'm not speaking for me, but, Chuck, wood you explain to the class what would means? You'll get a gold star if you get it right. But I don't have a take on the issue.
 
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Moogy

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Go back two 2nd grade too find out what those to words mean.
Chuck, I'm not speaking for me, but I'm telling your 1st grade teacher you made grammatical errors that she doesn't think you wood make! But I don't have a take on the issue.
 

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Chuck, I'm not speaking for me, but I'm telling your 1st grade teacher you made grammatical errors that she doesn't think you wood make! But I don't have a take on the issue.
If I'm Chuck, does that make you Up-Chuck? You are won upping me all the thyme.
 

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Personally, I prefer the 'artistic license' approach to a cover, unless the band is a tribute band where the expectation is to imitate the original. I enjoy hearing different takes on an original (change it from 4/4 to 3/4, make a ballad an upbeat song or vice versa, change the genre, reharmonize....) better than hearing a copy. However, I think it's a good idea to avoid the "classics". It's easier to improve on an ordinary song than to top an all time great.

That said, I appreciate musicians more that can write their own stuff. It's hard to do and it takes a lot more creativity than doing a cover.
"It takes a lot more creativity...."
Well, maybe, sort of...
It's a different skill set entirely. A really bad musician can write really good music. A really good musician just might not have that writing gene. I don't feel it takes away from them as an artist. A lot of really, really good performers weren't songwriters.

I liken it to the players/coach relationship: not all players make great coaches. But, that guy who ran a 5.3 40, or had a 19 inch vertical leap can still make a hella coach.
 

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"It takes a lot more creativity...."
Well, maybe, sort of...
It's a different skill set entirely. A really bad musician can write really good music. A really good musician just might not have that writing gene. I don't feel it takes away from them as an artist. A lot of really, really good performers weren't songwriters.

I liken it to the players/coach relationship: not all players make great coaches. But, that guy who ran a 5.3 40, or had a 19 inch vertical leap can still make a hella coach.
Politely disagree. Means way more to me when the band writes it. Extra points if the lead singer wrote it. I like country but it’s a factory of writers selling songs. Is that the performers dead dog and ex girlfriend or the song writer’s?
 

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Politely disagree. Means way more to me when the band writes it. Extra points if the lead singer wrote it. I like country but it’s a factory of writers selling songs. Is that the performers dead dog and ex girlfriend or the song writer’s?
So the Who is no good because Daltrey didn't write most of their songs?

Are movies better when the lead writes the screenplay?
 

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"It takes a lot more creativity...."
Well, maybe, sort of...
It's a different skill set entirely. A really bad musician can write really good music. A really good musician just might not have that writing gene. I don't feel it takes away from them as an artist. A lot of really, really good performers weren't songwriters.

I liken it to the players/coach relationship: not all players make great coaches. But, that guy who ran a 5.3 40, or had a 19 inch vertical leap can still make a hella coach.
From my own personal experience, there are a lot more musicians that can copy other musicians than musicians that can be truly original. And those that are great players and great writers are the real gems.
 

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From my own personal experience, there are a lot more musicians that can copy other musicians than musicians that can be truly original. And those that are great players and great writers are the real gems.

It's one in a million. And finding a new sound that no one has heard before, that doesn't suck ***, is the key everyone searches for and few ever find.
 

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I go into coffee shops and restaurants and am bombarded with covers. Most of them suck balls. What’s with all the cover horse-a$$? And who are these clowns covering songs instead of writing their own material? For f*ck’s sake.

Often times, an “artist” can’t win with a cover. Do it the same, and it’s just a big “What’s the f*cking point?” Use artistic license, and you ruin a classic.

Just write your own stuff and leave the originals alone. For f*ck’s sake.

For example....? The only recent 'big' cover I've heard is from some band doing an acoustic version of The Cranberries' 'Linger' by Royel Otis. It's as bad as you think too - acoustic, slowed down, sung by a male.....ugh. Otherwise, what do you expect from a coffee shop? They want their guests to feel at home and familiar - enjoy it.
 

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I have a lot of good ideas for covers for my band except I don't have a band, or know any decent musicians near me, or remember how to play anything anymore.

The best cover I ever worked up was Green-Eyed Lady. I got the delay just right and we sounded so cool. You could jam real hard on that riff. No one ever heard it.
 

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For example....? The only recent 'big' cover I've heard is from some band doing an acoustic version of The Cranberries' 'Linger' by Royel Otis. It's as bad as you think too - acoustic, slowed down, sung by a male.....ugh. Otherwise, what do you expect from a coffee shop? They want their guests to feel at home and familiar - enjoy it.
He should enjoy it

I was at the grocery store last week and they were playing "White Lines" by Grandmaster Melle Mel.

I enjoyed listening to a song about cocaine abuse as i was picking up flour in small ziploc bags (because it's easier to measure in recipes.)

Ya gotta enjoy while you can.
 

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It's one in a million. And finding a new sound that no one has heard before, that doesn't suck ***, is the key everyone searches for and few ever find.
Well said. Few ever find it because there is so very little new under the sun when it comes to music. There are progressions and harmonies and sounds that are pleasing to the human ear.... and those that are not.
The best you can hope for is subtle variations on a theme. It's not like rock n roll rewrote music theory. Just played the same progressions louder and faster with more suggestive lyrics.

I mean I-IV-V works for a reason. If I suddenly say I'm gonna write songs in ii-vi-VII, I'll certainly have something unique. But it will be unique because it probably sucks.
 
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Well said. Few ever find it because there is so very little new under the sun when it comes to music. There are progressions and harmonies and sounds that are pleasing to the human ear.... and those that are not.
The best you can hope for is subtle variations on a theme. It's not like rock n roll rewrote music theory. Just played the same progressions louder and faster with more suggestive lyrics.

I mean I-IV-V works for a reason. If I suddenly say I'm gonna write songs in ii-vi-VII, I'll certainly have something unique. But it will be unique because it probably sucks.

You understand what I'm saying. It's easy to find new sounds; 99% of them are horrible. Even the really good ones take awhile to get used to. Like when you have to listen to an album a few times to "get it".
 
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