Slumps happen, hot streaks happen. In post season play in baseball, who is in a slump and who is on a hot streak almost always determines the eventual winner. That is the essence of baseball.
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Take on the Hines/Jordan slumps......
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Is their nil riding on hitting a certain stat line? Otherwise, I'm sure they are just stressing over how they are negatively affecting their draft position more than anything else.
Both players are good batters and good players. They're just having a rough time. I am not a smart enough man to say where they should hit, but I would move them around a little bit in the lineup just to do something to break from the ordinary lineup. What the hell is gonna hurt?
Tall Dog I agree with you 100 percent. Hines definitely needs to bunt if he can, and the situation calls for a bunt. He is going to strike out anyway and at least this would move a runner along.
I wouldn't read too much into that. It was a big hit, but it wasn't well hit. Just a ground ball that found a hole. I think more relevant is their slumps were over a week ago. Who knows what we'll get this weekend?
Put DJ batting sixth and HH batting seventh.
Just to move them down in the order and switch their order of appearance, just to (hopefully) reduce their pressure and shake them out of their slumps.
(I'm really just shooting from the hip, just to change up the situation and get better results.)
Hines is pulling off the ball so much he just needs to keep his eye on the ball and barrel it up . If he's swinging at the outside pitch he needs to bend his body and put the bat on it. He's trying to much to hit a HR on everything he's swinging at .
You are telling me they only hit 11 doubles combined? That is pathetic.
One of the worst things to happen to baseball is when the analytics began to show that K's weren't your worst enemy. People say the strike and steroids killed baseball - it didn't, it was the analytics. I actually think baseball was making a return after the strike and steroids, but the analytic takeover beginning about 20 years ago is really what has done the sport in.
And it sucks, because you can't deny them - they work. Bombs and velo is the name of the game. But I think early on, baseball was intended to be played a certain way. It was supposed to be quirky and use strategy. Strikeouts were an embarrassment, slick fielders were valued. Nowadays it's just a barrage of K's and bombs, and fielding literally isn't even a part of the game for the most part.
I don't know how to do it, but that's what we need to get back to. College could lead the way on this, most innovation starts there. But the gig may be up, no one's going back to the old way. I mean I don't even know how you can start to do it.
I’m sure there are some pureist that like the flex offense and the wishbone. Adapt or die. Eat or be eaten. When people figured out the slick fielding short stop made 1 million and the power hitter made 10… pretty easy decision
babe Ruth struck out a lot. Hit a lot of homers….. people wanna be babe Ruth, not the short stop no one remembers… hard to blame em
All that is fine when it comes to winning at the pro level, but baseball is declining in popularity. Winning means nothing if the sport is not making money.
All sports are in decline minus football. It has nothing to do with the style the game is being played…. Yet with the tv deals and such the players are making more money now than ever.
but it doesn’t just win at the pro level. It wins at every level from the upper high school level upward... hence why it’s trickled down and will continue to
Analytics have less influence the more of a disparity in talent you have. So, they work less in college, even less in high school, and on down. That's why there's more innovation in those areas, as people are constantly trying to figure out a way to compete with higher-talented teams.
You can use analytics at those level if you have top talent, but not much use beyond that. Then you end up like use, with folks like Hines and DJ.
This is actually the opposite of true. Lesser teams have use analytics for years to compete on a bigger stage with teams that don’t use it.
you are way off the mark if you think talent in any way effects analytics or that you need a certain amount of talent for it to be successful
Their hitting slumps are further exacerbated by their ****** taste in music.....both of these are very fixable.
I actually stated that the wrong way. Everyone uses analytics of some kind. But the mainstream data is more applicable to players when the talent is similar - because they were formed in professional sports, where the talent is similar, and a certain level of play is expected.
The fact that college teams innovate isn't really based on specific analytics, even though yeah analytics have shown for years that it's more efficient to hit home runs or whatever. Put it this way, if Florida baseball used analytics, and Stetson used analytics, Florida is going to win - every time. Stetson's only option is to recruit better players, and you don't need analytics to tell you do that. And since they realistically can't do that, they have to figure out another way - data or not. Maybe they have some sort of data that tells them that another type of player mix or system could produce more runs for them, but again, that's not the mainstream analytics.
Analytics weren’t created in pro sports. Once you get to the upper high school level or the level where there aren’t 6 walks, 5 errors, and the entire team can steal second… it works just fine. You don’t need professional level of play for it to be applicable.
I get what you’re saying. That even being the best analytically doesn’t mean you can over come a talent gap… when the talent gap is large…. But a talent gap has nothing to do with analytics
He needs to learn to drive a ball oppo. He doesn't have to lean to reach a pitch, he has to let the ball get to a point to drive it oppo gap. He's pull happy and can't hit lefty pitching either.
Over half his homers are against lefties. He also hit lefties in the cape this summer
They've stopped giving him pitches to pull and he's not adjusted. He's not even swinging a lot of times. He can keep sitting on a pull pitch but unless someone screws up, he's not getting it. And he was using the whole field more early season but that's done. You don't go into a slump like his without getting figured out.
They’ve had 3 years to figure him out… and they just now did it?
this board has had him figured out for years.
When a player is playing poorly and opponents see what they're doing, it's easy. Hence, he's playing poorly and opponents have figured out what he's struggling to do. I'm starting the think you're his mom at this point.
Really, who was going to hit and play for them? We don't have anyone to do it on the bench. We couldn't sit them if we wanted to.
Not if you read the game thread.
when you have talented hitters you leave em alone. And let em be. We have two. They haven’t been the problem all year and weren’t tonight
I'd have gone with a different order but sitting them isn't an option. Weve basically thrown them to the wolves with the lineup and told them to swim or drown. They both hit better tonight. Jordan didn't over think it there and Hines had two good ABs.
How about you stick your head into a slotted bucket of turds
It sucks to be wrong doesn’t it. Your pissed the two guys this whole board ******* on were the difference tonight.
Doesn't 20/20 makes everybody an expert? Not everybody said they should be sat down. Too talented to take out of lineup, just move them different in the lineup.
I would still move them into different spots to make the opposition sweat.
I would still move them into different spots to make the opposition sweat.
Just curious if after their weekends and all regional performances where Jordan showcased his skills. Hines hit a 444 foot homer off a lefty and made numerous athletic plays at 1st
if their draft stocks recovered or not?
lol
Hard to believe these guys break out of their slumps and we can't even take one game from virginia. Just shows how inept the rest of our offense was this year.
Combined Regional stats (if I did the math correctly)
17 for 35
.485 avg
.550 obp
.857 slg
responsible for 14 of 24 rbis
In losses to virginia
8 for 16
.500 avg
.579 obp
.938 slg
responsible for 5 of 6 rbis
8 Ks in 40 appearances (Hines struck out once, DJ 7 times)
Combined Regional stats (if I did the math correctly)
17 for 35
.485 avg
.550 obp
.857 slg
responsible for 14 of 24 rbis
In losses to virginia
8 for 16
.500 avg
.579 obp
.938 slg
responsible for 5 of 6 rbis
8 Ks in 40 appearances (Hines struck out once, DJ 7 times)
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