In my mind, that's where our NIL comes in. I don't think it's as pronounced as we think.
Talent Attrition
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This is one of he most dishonest lies told here. How do any of you know that Cohen didn't care about NIL? Do you think he was plumb stupid? After all he had done for MSU, ya'll really think that?
Our fanbase simply does not have FU money laying around. It makes sense that we were late to the NIL party.
Here's the problem with that. While we certainly did have a lot of the lesser recruited/scrappy developed players under Mullen, they were supplemented with having some big time talents too. The type of talents that in today's world, we HAVE to play the game to get.
Chad Bumphis - 4 star, #132nd overall recruit
Fletcher Cox - 4 star, #152nd overall
Josh Boyd - 4 star, #172nd overall
Pernell McPhee - 4 star, #6 JUCO
Denico Autry - 4 star, #2 JUCO
Chris Jones - 5 star, #18 overall
Fred Ross - 4 star, #196 overall
Martinas Rankin - 4 star, #9 JUCO
Jeffery Simmons - 5 star, #18 overall
Willie Gay - 4 star, #70 overall
Kylin Hill - 4 star, #203 overall
I have no issue with getting diamonds in the rough and hoping we find more like Dak, Elgton Jenkins, JRob, and Erroll Thompson. But unless you have the top end talent also, you won't be very good.
I don’t think that’s true. Leach didn’t have to bring in elite talent for his system to work on offense….particularly at OL and QB. That was the whole point of the hire, because we can’t get those guys at MSU anyway. We still needed it on defense, which we generally got until the class of 2021….which was a major down year for defensive talent in MS, and everything since then has been in the NIL era.
The rude awakening many fans are about to have is that the “excellent recruiter” HC that we just hired isn’t going to have any more success there than past hires, and will be doing well just to match what we were doing in the late 2010’s. Because “being a good recruiter” is just a cliché way of saying you are down to earth, relatable to players, and also, at the same time, determined and hardworking to sell the program and be diligent in pursuit of prospects. But none of that means you’ll actually sign anyone worth a crap, because somebody still has to 17ing pay for them. That’s really all that matters.
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But how is that different than "playing the game" that everyone else is right now?
Because we’ve been unstable as heck since Mullen left. Dan was four coaches ago now and he was still here in November 2017.
Good post.
This era is going to prove much harder to rebuild a program in due to money, if you don’t have it. in the past Dan or Leach could use wit/talent evaluation/development/regional footprint and sometimes luck to compensate , but that’s gone, it’s all about the cash.
if you are a have not monetarily in this environment you are really going to struggle to build a program or compete.
Nil as a whole is gonna hurt more players than it helps
But it might not be a bad net for msu if they eliminate yearly free agency
Without looking back, Jarrian Jones and Fabian Lovett both had good seasons for Florida State.
That is not why cohen left.
Not at all. Cohen would have stayed if we would have offered more money. Didn’t have to match Auburn either.
If they get past Texas he might remember why he left the SEC in the first place.
In the Documentary of Thunder and Lighting LT had a booger in his nose.
Lol are you inferring that DJ went to Washington because he didn't want to play SEC defenses?
This is where you’re making an *** of yourself due to your lack of knowledge. Cohen had no idea what he was doing with the NIL.
We raised nearly $5M in NIL the last 6 weeks per Charlie Winfield. That puts in the $10M range for football alone, good for probably top20-25 in the country in football NIL. Again, you’re parroting complete b u l l s h I t. You know nothing.
Leach was a good football coach, period. Did he have his weaknesses? Of course. Somebody please name one coach that doesn't? I have said this is other threads NIL or no NIL we are always the last dog at the food bowl. We have to act accordingly. This means we do have to rely on the development of players. Is there a risk they might jump ship in today's environment? Of course there is but we are not going to compete with the blue bloods for players so we have to do it. Does this mean we have to accept mediocrity? No it does not. It means we have to be strategic in using the resources we do have.
The thing that I liked most about Leach was he had a gimmick and he recruited to that gimmick. The idea that we are going to cigar boy up and run the ball to success is just plain dumb. We tried for 100 years and where did it get us? I like Lebby as an offensive mind but the simple truth is we have to do things differently than the other programs around us otherwise the long hoped for break through that many on here want will never happen.
The thing that I liked most about Leach was he had a gimmick and he recruited to that gimmick. The idea that we are going to cigar boy up and run the ball to success is just plain dumb. We tried for 100 years and where did it get us? I like Lebby as an offensive mind but the simple truth is we have to do things differently than the other programs around us otherwise the long hoped for break through that many on here want will never happen.
Read my post. I predicted 7-5 in the prediction thread. The roster talent ranking from 247 had 7 teams on our schedule ranked higher than us.
Well Leach did tell him he needed to toughen up. Just saying.*** I don't why he went to Washington but if they get to Alabama, he will be reminded about SEC defenses.
Leach was a safe, lazy hire. It was a hire to attempt to keep us right where we were, for a while. The fact remains that we were going to go through this, whenever he retired or got fired.
They were getting worse and that would have continued. Leach had a great name among his groupies, but he was not as well thought of as those people think, not even CLOSE.
Correct, nobody here or anywhere else complained that we let Arnett go.
Option 1
- Wanted to play at a bigger program
- Wanted to play in an offense that runs more
- Wanted to play with a Heisman contender
- Wanted a shot at making the playoff
- Wanted more NIL money
Option 2
- He's just a *****!
So your solution is throw money around and hope? And I guess thank you for your hate. I would add also, if I am wrong then I am wrong, but I see your way of thinking as pie in sky. You see mine as too simplistic and backward thinking. I guess we will find out, but hopefully we can both agree on a passion for State football even if we do not see things eye to eye.
We recruited poorly under the Leach Recruiting Czar model. It destroyed our program. Go look at all the guys playing G5 now.
This line of thinking is why we have negative winning percentages against everyone in the SEC. 3 yds and a cloud of dust didn't work for us before it was outdated.
I really don't care why he left. He left and we could have used him.Option 1
- Wanted to play at a bigger program
- Wanted to play in an offense that runs more
- Wanted to play with a Heisman contender
- Wanted a shot at making the playoff
- Wanted more NIL money
Option 2
- He's just a *****!
Again read my post. You’re taking my prediction from a completely different tread I admit I’m a hopeless optimist.
Yep. Without doing something completely different, we may as well just collect the welfare money and try and build basketball into something that can make money.
Roundabout, we agree. He was run out of town. He tried his best, but no one appreciate his plans.
It was the exact opposite of everything we had ever done. It was definitely safe because Leach was a winner....but not lazy. Cohen took a risk by getting a guy who did things differently, and our idiot fanbase (you included) did not appreciate any of it.
Ok but that’s different than what you said.
I liked cohen. I think he did a decent to good job. But he was pretty arrogant and he started to get a little political (or his wife did).
The problem now is that if we find a diamond in the rough, after we let it shine, someone else will come in and buy the diamonds at market price. We need to go another direction in this new era, we need to figure out a Moneyball type strategy. Maybe just recruit the portal and go after some numbers methodology similar to what the Moneyball guys did in baseball. Maybe they’re too ugly, or gay, or autistic, or have one arm, or whatever. If we don’t discover this underdog NIL and transfer portal talent gap neutralizer, someone else will.
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