Texas A&M Message Board On Hiring James Franklin

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I went to texasags.com/forums/5/topics/3419825 and posted this -

“Question Please – Would you consider James Franklin of Penn State as your head coach?
I am asking this just to gauge how another fan base would think about Penn State’s coach””

What follows are the unedited responses, good and bad, from Aggie fans:

God no. He's just Jimbo wearing different colors.

Absolutely not. No to him or Dabo

Umm, he's done considerably better than Jimbo in almost every regard. I work with a gal who is a PSU alum and she wants Franklin gone as well. Interesting to see the different perspectives. I'd give anything to have our coach perform as well as Franklin...she wants him gone.

He can't seem to get over the Michigan and Ohio State hump.
Sounds eerily similar to our previous coach.

Why is it that all these rooks keep bringing up dumb a__ coach suggestions.
Edit to say, no f__king thanks. I'd rather have kept Jimbo.

No thank you. Try again.

Jimbo 2.0
I have a few PSU friends that want him gone.

Would we also get 4 years of Chad Powers?

I'm sure their problem with Franklin is always being in Ohio State's and Michigan's shadows. 1 conference title in 9 years of coaching. I get that we'd be okay with that in our position, but they're obviously not.

Except he makes Jimbo's offense look creative and high flying.

James Franklin is running out of momentum at Penn St. That's exactly what happened to Jimbo at FSU before we hired him. So no we do not want to hire another big name head coach looking to restart somewhere else.

Has he beaten Appalachian State?

Jimbo runs the RFYL offense. Snap the ball and run for your life.

hard no on Franklin.
He's essentially Jimbo with qan easier schedule - have you seen his offenses at penn st? they are as brutal or even more brutal to watch than jimbo's.
Franklin would be a consisten 7-8 win coach here and never win us anything of significance.
Pass.

He's averaging roughly 8-4 at Penn State. It is a little familiar, to be honest.

It's not our job to bail out Penn State. Yeah, I know he lives in a tough neighborhood, but did forget what the SEC was like?

Note: I will post more responses if I get them.
 

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Here are the latest Sports Line odds on the new Texas A&M coaching hire. I want you to note that James Franklin is finally on the list of prospects!

"So You're Telling Me There's A Chance?"

  • Jeff Traylor +300
  • Mike Elko +300
  • Kalen DeBoer +500
  • Dan Lanning +600
  • Eli Drinkwitz +900
  • Lance Leipold +1000
  • Chris Klieman +1200
  • PJ Fleck +1500
  • Kliff Kingsbury +1700
  • James Franklin +2000
  • Lane Kiffin +2500
  • Mike Norvell +3000
  • Urban Meyer +5000
  • Deion Sanders +5000
 
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I went to texasags.com/forums/5/topics/3419825 and posted this -

“Question Please – Would you consider James Franklin of Penn State as your head coach?
I am asking this just to gauge how another fan base would think about Penn State’s coach””

What follows are the unedited responses, good and bad, from Aggie fans:

God no. He's just Jimbo wearing different colors.

Absolutely not. No to him or Dabo

Umm, he's done considerably better than Jimbo in almost every regard. I work with a gal who is a PSU alum and she wants Franklin gone as well. Interesting to see the different perspectives. I'd give anything to have our coach perform as well as Franklin...she wants him gone.

He can't seem to get over the Michigan and Ohio State hump.
Sounds eerily similar to our previous coach.

Why is it that all these rooks keep bringing up dumb a__ coach suggestions.
Edit to say, no f__king thanks. I'd rather have kept Jimbo.

No thank you. Try again.

Jimbo 2.0
I have a few PSU friends that want him gone.

Would we also get 4 years of Chad Powers?

I'm sure their problem with Franklin is always being in Ohio State's and Michigan's shadows. 1 conference title in 9 years of coaching. I get that we'd be okay with that in our position, but they're obviously not.

Except he makes Jimbo's offense look creative and high flying.

James Franklin is running out of momentum at Penn St. That's exactly what happened to Jimbo at FSU before we hired him. So no we do not want to hire another big name head coach looking to restart somewhere else.

Has he beaten Appalachian State?

Jimbo runs the RFYL offense. Snap the ball and run for your life.

hard no on Franklin.
He's essentially Jimbo with qan easier schedule - have you seen his offenses at penn st? they are as brutal or even more brutal to watch than jimbo's.
Franklin would be a consisten 7-8 win coach here and never win us anything of significance.
Pass.

He's averaging roughly 8-4 at Penn State. It is a little familiar, to be honest.

It's not our job to bail out Penn State. Yeah, I know he lives in a tough neighborhood, but did forget what the SEC was like?

Note: I will post more responses if I get them.
Why bother? That sampling will be repeated over and over.
 

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Here are the latest Sports Line odds on the new Texas A&M coaching hire. I want you to note that James Franklin is finally on the list of prospects!

"So You're Telling Me There's A Chance?"

  • Jeff Traylor +300
  • Mike Elko +300
  • Kalen DeBoer +500
  • Dan Lanning +600
  • Eli Drinkwitz +900
  • Lance Leipold +1000
  • Chris Klieman +1200
  • PJ Fleck +1500
  • Kliff Kingsbury +1700
  • James Franklin +2000
  • Lane Kiffin +2500
  • Mike Norvell +3000
  • Urban Meyer +5000
  • Deion Sanders +5000
P.J. Fleck is on that list ahead of......anyone!?!?
 

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A couple more Texas A&M fans on James Franklin:

And he gets to fill in the rest of his schedule with the Indianas, Rutgers, & Maryland's instead of Ole Miss, Auburn & Florida. That's why he still gets to 10-2 instead of 8-4.
He's a good coach, but not good enough.

1-13 vs AP Top 5
 

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A couple more Texas A&M fans on James Franklin:

And he gets to fill in the rest of his schedule with the Indianas, Rutgers, & Maryland's instead of Ole Miss, Auburn & Florida. That's why he still gets to 10-2 instead of 8-4.
He's a good coach, but not good enough.

1-13 vs AP Top 5
Our own fans say a lot worse than that about Franklin, so it’s no surprise that A&M fans are adamantly against hiring him. Having said that, the word delusional always comes to mind when thinking about A&M fans.
 

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A couple more Texas A&M fans on James Franklin:

And he gets to fill in the rest of his schedule with the Indianas, Rutgers, & Maryland's instead of Ole Miss, Auburn & Florida. That's why he still gets to 10-2 instead of 8-4.
He's a good coach, but not good enough.

1-13 vs AP Top 5
The same Auburn team that Franklin beat twice recently including an *** beating on their home field? That Auburn?
 

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The same Auburn team that Franklin beat twice recently including an *** beating on their home field? That Auburn?
I will admit that they are better than Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, and Minnesota. Then again, Ole Miss and Florida and LSU are better than all those B1G schools mentioned too. You conveniently don't mention them. Or Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky.

But thanks for pointing out what the A&M poster was saying about his conference being so much tougher than the B1G and Franklin, being the Bottom Feeder, fattening his record against a B1G schedule.
 
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If A&M doesn't hire Traylor, their AD needs to be run out of town on a rail. High school legend as a QB and high school coach. Transformed a morbid UTSA program into a borderline Top 25 outfit.

It's as close to a sure bet as you're going to get in college football.
 

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If A&M doesn't hire Traylor, their AD needs to be run out of town on a rail. High school legend as a QB and high school coach. Transformed a morbid UTSA program into a borderline Top 25 outfit.

It's as close to a sure bet as you're going to get in college football.
Traylor has a number of significant competitors for that job. The list reads like a Who's Who of winning coaches. It would be nice to be in the position of an AD with that kind of money to spend.
 

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I will admit that they are better than Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, and Minnesota. Then again, Ole Miss and Florida and LSU are better than all those B1G schools mentioned too. You conveniently don't mention them.
Florida is questionable. They are still riding on their reputation under Urban. They were 6-7 last year with a loss to lowly Vandy. 5-5 this year with a loss to a bad Arkansas team. They just lost 3 in a row and are about to lose out to go 5-7. You conveniently don’t mention the details.
 
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Traylor has a number of significant competitors for that job. The list reads like a Who's Who of winning coaches. It would be nice to be in the position of an AD with that kind of money to spend.


Yeah, but it's Texas. It's a different animal all together. It's not often that you get to hire someone like Traylor who's basically a living legend in the state. But, it's A&M. So they'll **** this up.
 
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Florida is questionable. They are still riding on their reputation under Urban. They were 6-7 last year with a loss to lowly Vandy. 5-5 this year with a loss to a bad Arkansas team. They just lost 3 in a row and are about to lose out to go 5-7. You conveniently don’t mention the details.
Uh, and who else does Florida have to play? Not Michigan State, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, all teams who beat your idol recently. In the B1G, with a B1G schedule, Florida would have a winning record. So much for details.
 

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Uh, and who else does Florida have to play? Not Michigan State, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, all teams who beat your idol recently. In the B1G, with a B1G schedule, Florida would have a winning record. So much for details.
2 of Florida’s 5 wins this year were against McNeese and Charlotte. Florida is not good. The poster, and you, are delusional. I’m not convinced the bottom of the SEC is any better than the bottom of the B1G. Jimbo was an underachiever. Period.
 

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2 of Florida’s 5 wins this year were against McNeese and Charlotte. Florida is not good. The poster, and you, are delusional. I’m not convinced the bottom of the SEC is any better than the bottom of the B1G. Jimbo was an underachiever. Period.
Maybe the bottom, but its the middle of the SEC that would crush in the B1G. Again, you being selective. Florida would be no worse than #5 in the B1G.
 

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You ignore the obvious, try to deflect direct criticism and put up strawmen arguments. I am not your friend.
If you think Georgia, playing in the big bad SEC, had a more difficult schedule than PSU this year , I’ll have some of what you are smoking
 

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I gave you factual numbers. You choose to ignore facts.
Here are some facts for you.

Teams in the SEC with < 2 losses (Alabama, Georgia) Teams in B1G (tOSU and Michigan)

Teams in the SEC with 2-3 losses (Missouri, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU) Teams in B1G (Penn State and Iowa)

Teams in the SEC with 4-5 losses (Florida, Kentucky, A&M, Auburn) Teams in B1G (Maryland, Rutgers, ILL, Minny, Neb, Northwestern and Wisky)

Teams in the SEC with >5 losses (S Carolina, Miss St., Vandy, Arkansas) Teams in the B1G (Purdue, Indiana and MSU)

Now opinion:

I would say the top tier teams in the two leagues are comparable.

If you want to argue that the 2nd and 3rd tier teams in the SEC are not better than those in the B1G we disagree.

The bottom teams are a push.

I will opine that by my judgment coaching and winning in the SEC is tougher than coaching and winning in the B1G. The SEC is just flat out deeper with quality teams.

So when you go out and cherry pick individual games to make a point I find it foolish. You are not making serious arguments.
 

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Here are some facts for you.

Teams in the SEC with < 2 losses (Alabama, Georgia) Teams in B1G (tOSU and Michigan)

Teams in the SEC with 2-3 losses (Missouri, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU) Teams in B1G (Penn State and Iowa)

Teams in the SEC with 4-5 losses (Florida, Kentucky, A&M, Auburn) Teams in B1G (Maryland, Rutgers, ILL, Minny, Neb, Northwestern and Wisky)

Teams in the SEC with >5 losses (S Carolina, Miss St., Vandy, Arkansas) Teams in the B1G (Purdue, Indiana and MSU)

Now opinion:

I would say the top tier teams in the two leagues are comparable.

If you want to argue that the 2nd and 3rd tier teams in the SEC are not better than those in the B1G we disagree.

The bottom teams are a push.

I will opine that by my judgment coaching and winning in the SEC is tougher than coaching and winning in the B1G. The SEC is just flat out deeper with quality teams.

So when you go out and cherry pick individual games to make a point I find it foolish. You are not making serious arguments.
When I cherry pick individual games? Like you do with Franklin? I pick those games, like Appalachian State or Vandy, because you would lose your mind if Franklin was losing those games. The teams and coaches you are claiming to be good ARE losing those games, so your argument is weak.

The bottom line is this. If Penn State were to fire Franklin and bite the bullet for the $60+million buyout (and I’m ok with that for the record), they better have a replacement that is sure as **** a guaranteed upgrade to get PSU past OSU and Michigan. In that scenario, Jimbo isn’t your guy.

if you weren’t so busy starting antiFranklin threads, you would have probably read my thoughts yesterday as Urban Meyer is the only logical choice. He doesn’t currently have a buyout from another school that PSU would have to pay for and he most likely would have coached PSU to a win in both of our losses this year and we’d be sitting pretty for the playoffs right now.
 
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I will admit that they are better than Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, and Minnesota. Then again, Ole Miss and Florida and LSU are better than all those B1G schools mentioned too. You conveniently don't mention them. Or Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky.

But thanks for pointing out what the A&M poster was saying about his conference being so much tougher than the B1G and Franklin, being the Bottom Feeder, fattening his record against a B1G schedule.
You conveniently omitted Iowa By the way, Day has lost 2 Big Ten games since he became OSU’s head coach which means for those keeping score no one else has beaten him other than Michigan.
 
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More from Texas A&M fans on whether they should consider Franklin as a head coach prospect:

It's not a high bar, but he'd be the best coach we've had since early RC. He hasn't gotten over the hump with Michigan and Ohio State, but there are some positives.
-Penn State is likely on its way to its 5th 11-win season in the last 9 years. TAMU has had one of those in the last 25 years.
-He never missed a bowl at Vanderbilt and won 9 games there in each of his last 3 seasons. As the son of a VU alumnus and someone who has followed them for 4 decades, I assure you that alone verifies he's either a great coach or sold his soul to the devil.
He wouldn't be my first or second choice, but I wouldn't be disappointed with him. He's a relentless recruiter, is extremely organized both running a program and in game management, and would come in feeling like he still very much has something to prove. I'm not sure if it's a pro or con, but he had a way of irritating other SEC fans and coaches at VU that I always found entertaining.
Regardless, it's highly unlikely he's coming to TAMU this year. I expect he'll either suddenly be beloved as soon as next year when Michigan melts down and he sneaks past Ohio State, or he'll move on within a couple years and be successful at a middle tier Power 5 program.

Fck No!

No! No! A thousand times no!

So much so Franklin just fired his OC.

Not only can Franklin not get over the Michigan Ohio St jump. He makes idiotic coaching decisions with shocking regularity.

The one who is about to be fired by PSU?

He puts up better records I think in the B1G than we have mostly and PSU ranked higher but I don't think he could do much better in the SEC than our last two.

He's Jimbo 2.0 without the Natty.

He'll likely finish 10-2. You guys are delusional. I'm not suggesting we hire him, but you guys make it sound like he's Jimbo 2.0. He won at Vanderbilt and we'd kill to have the record he has at PSU.

Penn State fans will love if we consider Franklin.
Til Jimmy Sexton gets him a raise and an extension at Penn State out of it.

The OP is a Penn State fan and was making a joke.

No

No way would I want Franklin to come here, and my son played for Franklin at PSU. My son said he's the same as Jimbo, excellent recruiter and motivator but struggles on Saturdays.

or looking to escape to somewhere else

Is this thread serious???
Franklin should be canned at PSU. He can't coach in big games. Relies on superior talent to beat the cupcakes on his schedule and then always loses to the big boys.

That's a hard no.

Franklin is who we should have hired instead of Sumlin. He'd have had a more balanced attack than Sumlin did and likely better results. He'd also recruit better here, I'd think, than he does at Penn State.
If you're dismissing him solely due to his record, that's foolishness. On the other hand, if he has the tendencies that made Sumlin and Jimbo (as well as other coaches we've had in the last 40 years) not work out -- stubbornness, lack of willingness to recruit speed on defense, etc. -- then yeah, we don't want him anywhere near here.
If we were to hire Franklin after Dec. 31, he'd have a $2 million buyout. That's pretty cheap for a coach of his caliber. He's won the Big 10, the Rose Bowl and 3 other NY6 bowls. None of the other coaches we're looking at can say that. Every year, except his first year and Covid year, when he had a subpar year, the team was strong the next year. They'll almost certainly win 10 games this year with a bowl win getting them to 11. We won't.
Am I advocating we hire him? Not necessarily, but I think he deserves a look. A fresh start MAY be what he needs. However, as I said, you have to identify what has kept him at the 11-win plateau and see if he can come up with a plan to remedy it.
Remember: there are no guarantees with any hire. Too many of you forget that. t.u. thought they had that with Herman.
A few years ago, yes. But now, I'm thinking not. His inability to win the big games more often is concerning. I know they scored 30 points a lot of games in a row the last 2 years, but I still have my doubts about the offenses he puts out vs the good defenses. And who knows if elite coordinators would work for him. He went for 2 down by 9 last game before he had to and failed. At least a few times he's rubbed me the wrong way in press conferences.
Personally, I'd definitely ask every PSU fan what they don't like about him since they watch every game. No idea about his in-game abilities or ability to manage a roster to prevent big holes.

Lol, WTF is "a look"?
OK- we looked at your offense, saw it was abysmal, so abysmal you fired yet another tenured OC mid-season.
Please come fix the problems at Texas A&M.
Dafuq? A look? What do you think the look is?
 
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More from Texas A&M fans on whether they should consider Franklin as a head coach prospect:

It's not a high bar, but he'd be the best coach we've had since early RC. He hasn't gotten over the hump with Michigan and Ohio State, but there are some positives.
-Penn State is likely on its way to its 5th 11-win season in the last 9 years. TAMU has had one of those in the last 25 years.
-He never missed a bowl at Vanderbilt and won 9 games there in each of his last 3 seasons. As the son of a VU alumnus and someone who has followed them for 4 decades, I assure you that alone verifies he's either a great coach or sold his soul to the devil.
He wouldn't be my first or second choice, but I wouldn't be disappointed with him. He's a relentless recruiter, is extremely organized both running a program and in game management, and would come in feeling like he still very much has something to prove. I'm not sure if it's a pro or con, but he had a way of irritating other SEC fans and coaches at VU that I always found entertaining.
Regardless, it's highly unlikely he's coming to TAMU this year. I expect he'll either suddenly be beloved as soon as next year when Michigan melts down and he sneaks past Ohio State, or he'll move on within a couple years and be successful at a middle tier Power 5 program.

Fck No!

No! No! A thousand times no!

So much so Franklin just fired his OC.

Not only can Franklin not get over the Michigan Ohio St jump. He makes idiotic coaching decisions with shocking regularity.

The one who is about to be fired by PSU?

He puts up better records I think in the B1G than we have mostly and PSU ranked higher but I don't think he could do much better in the SEC than our last two.

He's Jimbo 2.0 without the Natty.

He'll likely finish 10-2. You guys are delusional. I'm not suggesting we hire him, but you guys make it sound like he's Jimbo 2.0. He won at Vanderbilt and we'd kill to have the record he has at PSU.

Penn State fans will love if we consider Franklin.
Til Jimmy Sexton gets him a raise and an extension at Penn State out of it.

The OP is a Penn State fan and was making a joke.

No

No way would I want Franklin to come here, and my son played for Franklin at PSU. My son said he's the same as Jimbo, excellent recruiter and motivator but struggles on Saturdays.

or looking to escape to somewhere else

Is this thread serious???
Franklin should be canned at PSU. He can't coach in big games. Relies on superior talent to beat the cupcakes on his schedule and then always loses to the big boys.

That's a hard no.

Franklin is who we should have hired instead of Sumlin. He'd have had a more balanced attack than Sumlin did and likely better results. He'd also recruit better here, I'd think, than he does at Penn State.
If you're dismissing him solely due to his record, that's foolishness. On the other hand, if he has the tendencies that made Sumlin and Jimbo (as well as other coaches we've had in the last 40 years) not work out -- stubbornness, lack of willingness to recruit speed on defense, etc. -- then yeah, we don't want him anywhere near here.
If we were to hire Franklin after Dec. 31, he'd have a $2 million buyout. That's pretty cheap for a coach of his caliber. He's won the Big 10, the Rose Bowl and 3 other NY6 bowls. None of the other coaches we're looking at can say that. Every year, except his first year and Covid year, when he had a subpar year, the team was strong the next year. They'll almost certainly win 10 games this year with a bowl win getting them to 11. We won't.
Am I advocating we hire him? Not necessarily, but I think he deserves a look. A fresh start MAY be what he needs. However, as I said, you have to identify what has kept him at the 11-win plateau and see if he can come up with a plan to remedy it.
Remember: there are no guarantees with any hire. Too many of you forget that. t.u. thought they had that with Herman.
A few years ago, yes. But now, I'm thinking not. His inability to win the big games more often is concerning. I know they scored 30 points a lot of games in a row the last 2 years, but I still have my doubts about the offenses he puts out vs the good defenses. And who knows if elite coordinators would work for him. He went for 2 down by 9 last game before he had to and failed. At least a few times he's rubbed me the wrong way in press conferences.
Personally, I'd definitely ask every PSU fan what they don't like about him since they watch every game. No idea about his in-game abilities or ability to manage a roster to prevent big holes.

Lol, WTF is "a look"?
OK- we looked at your offense, saw it was abysmal, so abysmal you fired yet another tenured OC mid-season.
Please come fix the problems at Texas A&M.
Dafuq? A look? What do you think the look is?

Lots of valid points on both sides of the argument.
 
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You conveniently omitted Iowa By the way, Day has lost 2 Big Ten games since he became OSU’s head coach which means for those keeping score no one else has beaten him other than Michigan.
I must have missed the game when Scott Frost coaching Nebraska beat Day?
 

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A couple more Texas A&M fans on James Franklin:

And he gets to fill in the rest of his schedule with the Indianas, Rutgers, & Maryland's instead of Ole Miss, Auburn & Florida. That's why he still gets to 10-2 instead of 8-4.
He's a good coach, but not good enough.

1-13 vs AP Top 5
To be fair, James has owned Auburn while at PSU.
 

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At the Dr's today for a minor medical procedure. Making small talk with the PA and it turns out he's a BC grad and huge CFB fan. I mention I am a Penn Stater and went to the game this past weekend.

His first words "What do you think about Franklin's calls?"

FML
 

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Here are the latest Sports Line odds on the new Texas A&M coaching hire. I want you to note that James Franklin is finally on the list of prospects!

"So You're Telling Me There's A Chance?"

  • Jeff Traylor +300
  • Mike Elko +300
  • Kalen DeBoer +500
  • Dan Lanning +600
  • Eli Drinkwitz +900
  • Lance Leipold +1000
  • Chris Klieman +1200
  • PJ Fleck +1500
  • Kliff Kingsbury +1700
  • James Franklin +2000
  • Lane Kiffin +2500
  • Mike Norvell +3000
  • Urban Meyer +5000
  • Deion Sanders +5000
The fact the PJ Fleck is on that list already invalidates it.
 
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