I know we don't have the same politics, but just keep listening. I am not a broken clock. I am right more than twice a day.
Thanks a lot Sanders and Kennard ...you're both quitters.
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It’s only quitting to you. They don’t see it your way. It’s not your job to tell an entire generation what to do. We wouldn’t have progress otherwise. Every generation is different. They also live by different morals. I’ll remind you public execution use to be morally just. Along with all sorts of things. They are adults making their own decisions and what is right for them. Just like everyone else. They don’t owe the schools a damn thing.
Exactly.
There was a first time for all the behavior you see, then it became more frequent until it became commonplace and eventually accepted by many as righteous.
Give it time.
Maybe the father did a poor job instilling values when they were at the age it would have done some good. Kids raised right grow up to be adults that do the right thing. A father shouldn't need to say anything at that point.....his job is done.
I am dumber for having read that.....WOW
The insurance payout isn’t anywhere near a career of earnings in the NFL and it only pays if it’s career ending. From what I have been told by a player who purchased it.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not excusing it. Just saying that things have to be administratively that fans will have no control over.
Value teaching means very little when an adolescent really wants to do something. I have to give my Dad credit. He was never on this "Holier than Thou", "Do it my way or Else" some of you are on. Probably why his voice makes me come back to the things he was teaching. I definitely made more money than him professionally and definitely there were times where I blew off what he had to say. You guys, if you are telling the truth, are definitely not raising what I call Type A kids. Those are the kids that get to a point where they think they are smarter than you. At that point, you have to just hush and let them find their way. I know I get "Old People" from my son every other day when he is home.
Teaching people right from wrong at an early age is not holier than thou. It is your way of thinking that causes the situation we are in now. We teach kids to not be quitters and then excuse it when they become adults and are relied on to win a bowl game. You can't make this crap up.
You are right. Teaching right from wrong is not "Holier than Thou". Your reaction to being told no is what is "Holier than Thou". Sometimes kids, in growing up, make a different decision. So, you just sever that relationship because they did? That is what I disagree with. Part of growing up is becoming your own man and making your own decisions. You are not a failure because your kids don't do everything you say. Otherwise, they become you and that is not really healthy either.
Making your own decisions is neither here nor there......making a selfish choice is the point of the conversation. You said F your teammates and made a selfish choice. There is no other way to look at it.
When they are the wrong decisions - based in right vs wrong - there needs be harsh, overwhelming punishment / consequences so that they will understand - IT IS THE WRONG DECISION. PERIOD.
You keep trying to justify it - and you're wrong every single time. Quitting on a team is never justified. It's always the wrong decision. Always.
Let's follow the logic trail. As a player you need college football to get to where you want to be, which is the NFL. So you get a free ride to school, in some cases paid an absorbent amount of money, and just when your team does well and you have one final game you ditch your teammates. You got everything you ever wanted, but then decided to take a dump on the team and game that got you to that point and sat out the final game. Makes no sense! NIL dollars are going to have to stipulate playing a full season and that includes bowl games and playoffs.
Again, that can't happen with NIL as things currently sit. It's paid by entities outside the school and there can be no stipulations attached to performance, etc., for the money. It's supposedly for things like ad endorsements, etc., period. No pay for play.
This is why the entire structure has to changed before there can be accountability like so many are asking for.
How can you, a fan who has no dog in the fight admonish them. Talk harshly about them on the internet? Obviously, that hasn't worked. As this has been going on in some fashion since about 2007. Remember we had a safety by the last name Cook (1st name escapes me) back then that quit school right before the bowl game. There were people like you killing the guy online. He moved on. The program moved on. The only thing that has changed is that the issue has gotten worse. I have a noble idea. Love on the players that decided to play and finish it out. One thing a so-called low called character person likes is attention. People that constantly go on and on make the mistake if giving the wrong people all the attention.
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You don't get to make "your own decisions" in a TEAM ENVIRONMENT....... this is not complicated. You can keep spinning it all you want to and you're going to be wrong 100% of the time.
Also, morals don't change - they're just eroded by people like you.
There is no justification for quitting on a TEAM - for selfish reasons, or any other reasons.
I have no idea why this concept is so hard to understand but he is damn sure going to die on this hill.....LOL
It's very simple. I'm right. Quitting on a team is never ok. It is an atrocious life lesson to young people..... again, you can keep trying to justify it all you want to .....and you're going to be 100% wrong - every single time.
They just did. Your thought process is noble. Your reaction to kids looking grown-ups in the face and making a different decision is what needs work. So, going around and being mad at some 20 year olds because we lost a football game something you teach?
The same people will swear to you, with a straight face - that a cow is a butterfly - you just can't reason with people like that. I know I'm right. You know I'm right. I know you're right. There is right and wrong and quitting on a team is wrong. There is no justification. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
We understand it. Just saying ain't a darn thing you can do about it but stop attending or watching the games in protest because of it.
Who said you were wrong. Saying you are having a very immature reaction to a decision that didn't go your way.
There is always something that can be done about a problem. Unless people speak out, how would anyone know a problem ever existed?
What is immature about pointing out a wrong? I find defending a wrong even more deplorable.
Trust me, I do. Saying this going on is childish. That is not a good life lesson. No matter how you slice it. You have argued with me for what's going on 2 hours. You have not said in those hours, what you are going to do about it. So, what's the point. You are probably going to be back here this time next year mad at Player X or Player Y that could care less.
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Words without actions produce nothing. Unless you are going to withhold some donations, not attend games, or not watch games, you are just talking.
You are the type that says oh well can't do anything about it so I will just shut up and mind my business. You are a sad person if you believe that! When people are upset and speak out people notice. Then podcasters start talking. Then ADs start to notice and then they voice concerns to the conference. Then that gets forwarded to the NCAA. That is how the world works. To give up and say oh well is for weak-minded people like you appear to be.
You guys have doing it since Bowl practice started. It's like a friend going on about how his girlfriend wrongfully left him. At some point, that friend is going to say man, stop. Nobody wants to hear about that girl anymore. People do you wrong. It's gonna happen. It will continue to happen. Why waste time on a circumstance that is over and can't be changed.
Uh, did you read what I wrote?
You said - "NIL dollars are going to have to stipulate playing a full season and that includes bowl games and playoffs."
To which I replied, "... that can't happen with NIL as things currently sit...."
So, until things change, what you are asking for can't happen; they can't stipulate anything of that sort. Period.
And if what you were trying to say is "... things have to change from what NIL currently is in it's present form", then I'd suggest being a bit more explicit, because I don't see where that's reasonably inferred and nowhere in the post of yours that I quoted did you say that the current NIL rules/laws have to be changed.
You act as if I'm disagreeing with you, which isn't the case; I was just explaining you can't get what you want with the current rules/laws.
It might be hard after the debacle we all witnessed, but try to relax a little.
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