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While beating an SEC team on the road like we did is certainly impressive, only consistency will convince me that we’re actually “good” and the Auburn game is not an anomaly. Sure, Auburn was 2-0. But look at who they beat: Mercer and San Jose State. At home.

One game does not a season make.

The flip side to this chest beating is that when PSU loses, they’ll say - ‘Who cares? CJF is a great recruiter and ambassador for this program,’ - so, no point in starting a thread when you only care about Wins and Losses when we win. Losses are meaningless. Yossarian would be proud.

This is a solid win in a tough environment against a team that is more paper than tiger. But, there are plenty of ways to lose to inferior teams and we’ve done it before. Credit to CJF and the staff for having the players ready for prime time and executing. Outstanding effort all around and nice we are getting so many younger players meaningful reps. Beginning Oct. 15 with Michigan we’ll know a lot more about this team with Minnesota (who, coming into week three, led the nation in total defense and total offense) and Ohio State to follow.

Will be fun to watch; I like my crow deep fried. Thanks.
 
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The flip side to this chest beating is that when PSU loses, they’ll say - ‘Who cares? CJF is a great recruiter and ambassador for this program,’ - so, no point in starting a thread when you only care about Wins and Losses when we win. Losses are meaningless. Yossarian would be proud.

This is a solid win in a tough environment against a team that is more paper than tiger. But, there are plenty of ways to lose to inferior teams and we’ve done it before. Credit to CJF and the staff for having the players ready for prime time and executing. Outstanding effort all around and nice we are getting so many younger players meaningful reps. Beginning Oct. 15 with Michigan we’ll know a lot more about this team with Minnesota (who, coming into week three, led the nation in total defense and total offense) and Ohio State to follow.

Will be fun to watch; I like my crow deep fried. Thanks.
Right on. Consistency is what defines greatness. Or else there’d be like a thousand Joe Paternos, Wayne Gretzkys, Nick Sabans, and Coach Ks.
 

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The flip side to this chest beating is that when PSU loses, they’ll say - ‘Who cares? CJF is a great recruiter and ambassador for this program,’ - so, no point in starting a thread when you only care about Wins and Losses when we win. Losses are meaningless. Yossarian would be proud.

This is a solid win in a tough environment against a team that is more paper than tiger. But, there are plenty of ways to lose to inferior teams and we’ve done it before. Credit to CJF and the staff for having the players ready for prime time and executing. Outstanding effort all around and nice we are getting so many younger players meaningful reps. Beginning Oct. 15 with Michigan we’ll know a lot more about this team with Minnesota (who, coming into week three, led the nation in total defense and total offense) and Ohio State to follow.

Will be fun to watch; I like my crow deep fried. Thanks.
Yeah, just a little too early to tell when it's hard to gauge how good the opposition was. Regardless, 3-0 is better than any alternatives.

BTW, happened to notice that Auburn begins the season with five consecutive home games. Hear their (former) AD is available. ;)
 
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The flip side to this chest beating is that when PSU loses, they’ll say - ‘Who cares? CJF is a great recruiter and ambassador for this program,’ - so, no point in starting a thread when you only care about Wins and Losses when we win. Losses are meaningless. Yossarian would be proud.

This is a solid win in a tough environment against a team that is more paper than tiger. But, there are plenty of ways to lose to inferior teams and we’ve done it before. Credit to CJF and the staff for having the players ready for prime time and executing. Outstanding effort all around and nice we are getting so many younger players meaningful reps. Beginning Oct. 15 with Michigan we’ll know a lot more about this team with Minnesota (who, coming into week three, led the nation in total defense and total offense) and Ohio State to follow.

Will be fun to watch; I like my crow deep fried. Thanks.
refusing to go around wearing sackcloth and ashes is hardly "chest beating"
 
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refusing to go around wearing sackcloth and ashes is hardly "chest beating"

Will look for your thread after the first loss - everyone’s a fan when you’re winning.

We can all enjoy a win without unnecessary antagonization.

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Will look for your thread after the first loss - everyone’s a fan when you’re winning.

We can all enjoy a win without unnecessary antagonization.

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I've seen lots of wins and losses over the years. and win or lose, I'll continue to support our team and our coaches- some of you guys should just go be Alabama fans.
 
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I've seen lots of wins and losses over the years. and win or lose, I'll continue to support our team and our coaches- some of you guys should just go be Alabama fans.

Some of you should be able to be objective enough to be critical when it calls for it.
 
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Some of you should be able to be objective enough to be critical when it calls for it.
Yes, when it calls for it. I wouldn’t think it’s called for after a game like yesterday’s. Nobody’s asking you to change your view of CJF, but maybe wait until after we lose to remind us of it again, let us bask in the reflected glory of the great win?

For all I know, your judgements on CJF could be spot on, and I’ve never, that I can recall, called you out for them. But, time and place, y’know.
 
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I've seen lots of wins and losses over the years. and win or lose, I'll continue to support our team and our coaches- some of you guys should just go be Alabama fans.
I support the team, win or lose. Stopped supporting coaches when they began making these ridiculous amounts of money, and that's all of them, not just Franklin.
 
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I support the team, win or lose. Stopped supporting coaches when they began making these ridiculous amounts of money, and that's all of them, not just Franklin.
I agree that the money has gotten ridiculous, but that's not on the coaches, it's really on the fans- us
 
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Yes, when it calls for it. I wouldn’t think it’s called for after a game like yesterday’s. Nobody’s asking you to change your view in CJF, but but maybe wait until after we lose?

I haven’t been critical at all of yesterday’s game or the coaches performance. But, it’s fair to be critical at times. And those times will happen every year. You’re no less a fan just because you call the coaches out for dumb decisions when they make them. This kind of ‘nyah nyah’ thread after a win is unnecessarily provocative. These same guys refuse to acknowledge any team/coaching shortcomings so discussion is pointless.

You would think the win would speak for itself - starting a thread like this says a lot….
 

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I agree that the money has gotten ridiculous, but that's not on the coaches, it's really on the fans- us
Fans? I think if you took a generic poll asking fans if they believed college football coaches made too much money the majority would respond in the affirmative. Putting it another way, if someon held a large gun to another and threatened to blow that person's head off if that person didn't hand over all their money I doubt that many would find the victim at fault.
 
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Most balanced Offense I have seen at psu in a long time. Clifford no longer has to be the running game. Linebacker unit is a liability, but Diaz will keep offenses guessing just enough. CJF giveth and he taketh away.
Auburn wins 2 more games the rest of the year….they are lucky to go 2-6 in the SEC
...yet yesterday at 3:45 PM the 'experts' made Auburn good enough to allow PSU a mere 2.5-point favoritism? If Auburn is 'that bad' it is we who will be lucky to win two more in the B1G. C'mon! You (and they) can't have it both ways.
 

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Fans? I think if you took a generic poll asking fans if they believed college football coaches made too much money the majority would respond in the affirmative. Putting it another way, if someon held a large gun to another and threatened to blow that person's head off if that person didn't hand over all their money I doubt that many would find the victim at fault.
True, but the money ultimately comes from the fans. Is the game more fun now than it was when the Beav sat 55,000?. Over time as things got bigger and bigger, some things got lost, at least that's how I see it.
 

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I haven’t been critical at all of yesterday’s game or the coaches performance. But, it’s fair to be critical at times. And those times will happen every year. You’re no less a fan just because you call the coaches out for dumb decisions when they make them. This kind of ‘nyah nyah’ thread after a win is unnecessarily provocative. These same guys refuse to acknowledge any team/coaching shortcomings so discussion is pointless.

You would think the win would speak for itself - starting a thread like this says a lot….
yep, it says that I for one am sick of the relentless negativity- so sorry that that touches a nerve
 
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True, but the money ultimately comes from the fans. Is the game more fun now than it was when the Beav sat 55,000?. Over time as things got bigger and bigger, some things got lost, at least that's how I see it.
There are a multitude of ways in which gate proceeds can be spent and fans have little or no say in how that's done, nor are they involved in the selection of those who make those decisions.
 

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yep, it says that I for one am sick of the relentless negativity- so sorry that that touches a nerve
Yep. The constant negativity is old. However, sadly that is with everything these days. People are either miserable or like to express faux outrage about anything.
 

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We beat auburn. Our emotional “progression”:

Saturday evening: Jubilation

Sunday: Happiness

Monday: Cautious optimism

Tuesday: Desperation

Wednesday: Hopelessness

Thursday: OUTRAGE. o_O
This is so true. Great post.
 

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That was a great win. They finally looked like a team we want to see on Saturday.
Maybe James has figured it all out. Maybe he let his coordinators do their jobs in calling the game. I hope both are true. I’m hoping to God they are.
But the history is this:
James Franklin is 1-7 against Ohio State, 3-5 against Michigan, and 3-5 against Michigan State. Additionally, Franklin is 2-13 against top-10 ranked teams and 11-17 against top-25 teams. Franklin defeats teams with less talent but crumbles when facing higher-caliber teams, especially the other three giants in his division.

I’ll be happy to be proven wrong about him on game days. But the proof is still yet to be seen.

He certainly seems to have the talent available to do it in the near future. Great win and great job today.
What evidence do you have that Franklin wasn’t letting his coordinators do their jobs in years past? Oh I missed the message, when the team loses it’s because Franklin wasn’t letting the coordinators do their jobs, but when they win it was because he stopped meddling. I never said Franklin was the perfect coach—no one is and certainly he has made his share of mistakes, but why is it so hard for some people to give him unqualified props when it is justified?
 

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Yep. The constant negativity is old. However, sadly that is with everything these days. People are either miserable or like to express faux outrage about anything.

Remind me - what’s the definition of insanity….? Never mind. We won!!!!
 

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The flip side to this chest beating is that when PSU loses, they’ll say - ‘Who cares? CJF is a great recruiter and ambassador for this program,’ - so, no point in starting a thread when you only care about Wins and Losses when we win. Losses are meaningless. Yossarian would be proud.

This is a solid win in a tough environment against a team that is more paper than tiger. But, there are plenty of ways to lose to inferior teams and we’ve done it before. Credit to CJF and the staff for having the players ready for prime time and executing. Outstanding effort all around and nice we are getting so many younger players meaningful reps. Beginning Oct. 15 with Michigan we’ll know a lot more about this team with Minnesota (who, coming into week three, led the nation in total defense and total offense) and Ohio State to follow.

Will be fun to watch; I like my crow deep fried. Thanks.
And after games against Colorado State,Hawaii, U Conn and Maryland at home and that offensive juggernaut, Iowa, on the road, we will know more about Michigan when it plays PSU in three weeks too.
 
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And after games against Colorado State,Hawaii, U Conn and Maryland at home and that offensive juggernaut, Iowa, on the road, we will know more about Michigan when it plays PSU in three weeks too.

Michigan is out scoring opponents 166-17 through three games. We know *some* things about them….
 

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Fans? I think if you took a generic poll asking fans if they believed college football coaches made too much money the majority would respond in the affirmative. Putting it another way, if someon held a large gun to another and threatened to blow that person's head off if that person didn't hand over all their money I doubt that many would find the victim at fault.
...yet if asked if they would accept and probably deserve the same money for, say, sweeping floors at a local warehouse they would unabashedly and enthusiastically holler, "You Betcha!" Question: Does Leo DiCaprio make 'too much money' for a hit movie? Come On People! You're free to agree (or disagree) with stuff like this but the free market always determines the remuneration people receive for 'working' in any job or position - as it should.
 

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...yet if asked if they would accept and probably deserve the same money for, say, sweeping floors at a local warehouse they would unabashedly and enthusiastically holler, "You Betcha!" Question: Does Leo DiCaprio make 'too much money' for a hit movie? Come On People! You're free to agree (or disagree) with stuff like this but the free market always determines the remuneration people receive for 'working' in any job or position - as it should.
Of course everyone would take $5mm for sweeping the floors at the local warehouse. If asked whether they deserved it, doubt that many would agree (unless said warehouse looked like the Augean stables) and would probably accept considerably less.

Being a free marketeer, I am not begrudging any coach, or anyone else, for getting what he can. But saying that fans are responsible for those inflated salaries or that coaches deserve them is quite another thing.
 

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Not at all. It's the same old story - dominate a game in a way that few, if any, predicted and the story is that the opponent isn't any good, we didn't do anything we shouldn't have done, and all the smart people knew this would happen. Ignore the fact that none of them said anything of the sort before the game. The difference between a tough team and one of the worst teams in CFB - whether or not Penn State beat them. Now, quick everyone, go back, look at the game, conclude Singleton's big plays are "outliers" that must be discounted, talk about how Tank Bigsby isn't that good after all, and stop taking any joy in what was, in hindsight, a heartbreaking and utterly unimpressive win over a SEC team on the road.
Aside from the obvious mistake in the first drive, the rest of the day went exceptionally well, although watching last night on tape vs already knowing the outcome, I had the sense auburn was playing better through the first 20 minutes. They just couldn't finish (which we had something to do with). We already know that Tank is very good and he played pretty well for much of the day. But we got stronger and seemed more polished... it was a very very good showing in all aspects of the game (6 sacks from 6 diff people was really nice). We'll learn more about Auburn over the coming weeks, but I'm pretty comfortable we beat a good team that has plenty of talent and it should really light a fire in our guys about the upcoming games.

While we didn't always keep our poise (amongst the noise) we did a very good job in a tough environment... and watching those 3 freshmen was so much fun (they ARE the real deal). I don't see how anyone could be anything but elated by that performance and I'm looking forward to watching the game again tonight.

Just sad I'll miss the next 2 games (Greek islands) but should be hom just in time for michigan... if we keep improving I like our chances to pull off the upset.
 

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Of course everyone would take $5mm for sweeping the floors at the local warehouse. If asked whether they deserved it, doubt that many w all these folks would have to find new jiobs. ould agree (unless said warehouse looked like the Augean stables) and would probably accept considerably less.

Being a free marketeer, I am not begrudging any coach, or anyone else, for getting what he can. But saying that fans are responsible for those inflated salaries or that coaches deserve them is quite another thing.
Great response. Thank you! Note: As you no doubt know, it is the revenue created by fans (in person at games, watching TV which get TV ratings which creates ad revenue some of which is paid [in various ways] to universities) that provides the $$ to pay coaches, et al. If fans stopped watching and/or coming these folks would be required to find new ways to earn their living, so if these fans are truly upset with coaches salaries they have it in their collective power to get that changed.
 
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I agree that the money has gotten ridiculous, but that's not on the coaches, it's really on the fans- us
Agree.....the monster that is college football didn't come about with no fan influence. The joke was the older generation thinking this was an amateur sport all along and now are finally realizing it wasn't. The coaches salary are a direct reflection of how popular the sport is. The TV contracts aren't there because Coach Jimmy Dolittle is a nice guy. The big flex used to be the grad rates.....now it's the NIL money....not on the coaches. It was a nice dream or break from reality to think this sport was on the level, but it hasn't been for decades upon decades.
 

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Agree.....the monster that is college football didn't come about with no fan influence. The joke was the older generation thinking this was an amateur sport all along and now are finally realizing it wasn't. The coaches salary are a direct reflection of how popular the sport is. The TV contracts aren't there because Coach Jimmy Dolittle is a nice guy. The big flex used to be the grad rates.....now it's the NIL money....not on the coaches. It was a nice dream or break from reality to think this sport was on the level, but it hasn't been for decades upon decades.
I wish I could disagree with this, but you're right.
 

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Great response. Thank you! Note: As you no doubt know, it is the revenue created by fans (in person at games, watching TV which get TV ratings which creates ad revenue some of which is paid [in various ways] to universities) that provides the $$ to pay coaches, et al. If fans stopped watching and/or coming these folks would be required to find new ways to earn their living, so if these fans are truly upset with coaches salaries they have it in their collective power to get that changed.

Since you brought up DiCaprio's earnings in a previous post, they are tied to the box-office take of the pictures he's in. Granted, he'll still make a lot of money for a clunker, though it's not uncoomon for actors take a comp package partially tied to a picture's box office. When was the last time you heard of a coach tying his salary to the financial performance, dollars and cents, not wins and losses, of his team? From what I can gather, if left to their own devices, pretty much all of them would spend it all and then some.
 
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The relentless self congratulation of the OP is only surpassed by the utter lack of necessity for this thread in the first place.
 
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