May the heat continue to melt that @$$ bucket ...
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The local metro jacktown gossip page has chimed in on the Lemonis situation ...
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He has to even ASK if he's on the hot seat? I thought Kingfish was more observant than that
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OLe MIss is fixing to go through their end of the year melt down. Their season is fixing to get tough. I hope they don't fire their coach.
Can you imagine the MSU fanbase if UM fires Bianco this year for not winning a regional or something and MSU doesn’t move on Lemonis?
And really… to ASK if he should on the hot seat after the past three years?? Really?
In the current money climate in college sports spending extra money on a non-revenue sport is not wise.
From the comments. This was not me, but it could have been. I still think you have to take the chance on Selmon making a good hire.
I have no interest, or say for that matter, in Jackson politics but I can appreciate the concision of Councilman Foote's campaign ad on that page.
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So the correct answer is just to continue to suck at Baseball which is the only sport we have that we KNOW we can compete at a high level in with the right coach? It will always cost to fire a coach, so we can only change coaches in football or maybe basketball because they are the only sports that don't lose money? It will likely cost around 3 mil to buyout the baseball staff. That's chump change in today's world. Didn't Auburn just pay ~2.7 mil for Murphy (an 11pt/7reb guy in the SEC)?
Rumor has been that Bianco will retire the last few seasons, and this is likely the season where he actually does. They won't have to fire him.
and if you don't you risk alienating some of the 33,000 plus baseball fans that attended this past weekend that quite possibly also contribute to other sports too. Sooooooo......
Yep, and what AU paid for Murphy is EXACTLY why spending extra money on baseball is not wise.
33,000 separate fans? Baseball loses money most years. They must not be contributing much.
I see fans at every baseball game that also go to football and basketball games, that's all I'm saying. You start ignoring one, its a risk that you take. You also have only 3 years left I believe on the 10 year agreement to fund the chairbacks. If something doesn't happen soon with baseball you are going to have to replace those premium seat holders as well and you know there will be an increase on the cost soooooooo.
I think there are arguments both ways, but you taking the suck at all sports other than football and be mediocre in football probably pushes me to the other direction.
We need to give fans something to enjoy. We're never going to win big in football under the current NIL scheme. We're probably not going to win in basketball. I like Murphy and there is a chance that he develops into something special next year, but right now he's just a good player in the SEC. You're not winning anything if he's your best player. And he got paid $1M more than we were willing to pay him (at least?).
I'm a big fan of basketball and Jans, so if we have the opportunity to keep together a team that had a chance to go deep, I would be all on board with just saving our money just for basketball and continuing to suck in baseball if that helped us keep our team together. With us having to almost completely rebuild with basketball anyway, and Lemonis and staff (I think) being basically as cheap to fire as they'll ever be, I think you have to hope that basketball remains enjoyable and go ahead and pull the trigger on baseball and hope it can get there soon.
He didn’t get that much. Some people just throw **** against the wall and hope it sticks
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We sucked in 22 and 23… and guess what??? Those people still showed up and we still lost money. It’s a non rev sport stop treating it like it’s some holy thing. We are not gonna invest like we have in the past. Go to games enjoy it but realize it’s a nothing sport from here on out
Our fan base is so small that you need EVERY ONE OF THEM "from here on out". You really think you can tell any fan of any sport at this university that they, their money and their sport doesn't matter, that its "nothing"? They are "not gonna invest like they did in the past either", your words not mine.
Have you seen any football season ticket numbers released the last few years? Nope, they are down. Have you seen all the deals on hailstate.com for tickets and parking passes for the upcoming season, 4 tickets and a parking pass for $49? Yep they are down. Did you see the blocks of tickets last year for basketball early season, they are down. My email is being hit a couple times a week wanting me to talk to them on the phone about "tickets and NIL opportunities". I got one Thursday wanting to talk about basketball opportunities. Yeah you keep alienating a small fan base and watch what happens.
Actually Mississippi State baseball used to be one of the few self sustaining programs in the country, new stadium probably changed that for a while
It made money every now and then. It wasn't self sustaining. Football pays the bills for all of it except men's basketball.
Baseball will NEVER be able to pay the bills. It can't even pay for itself most years.
So all I'm getting out of this argument is that until football is putting a winning product on the field (and who in the world knows when that could happen) we must continue to suck in baseball too because we can't spend any money on getting a new baseball coach. Funny part is, if the baseball boosters want a change they will pay for it anyway, not the athletic department. I highly doubt we will be using football funds to pay off the baseball staff.
The school NEEDS to spend the money here. This fanbase will be ready to riot if the administration lets the baseball program go down the toilet. This is an example of when you have a special program, you pay to make it right. It's a different conversation if we had been mediocre the past 40 years.
They (Administration) can't ask fans to commit to a 10 year season ticket package, and then turn around and let the program go to crap.
If Kissinger hadn't broken his magic mug he could've sold it on Ebay and footed the bill.***
It's a different world now. You can't let the sport that pays the bill go to prop up a non-rev sport. You do the minimum in the non-rev sports or you go down all the way around. They were even talking about this on the baseball TV broadcast Sunday. They were saying there probably wont be anymore big college baseball stadiums built after the ones already building are done. The money will have to go elsewhere.
Shocking that you would be taking a ridiculous position. Schools don't spend on sports to make a direct financial return. If they did, you would see us skimping on every sport, including football, and collecting an SEC welfare check.
Athletics are for exposure, alumni engagement, and student experiences. The best situation would be for us to offer positive experiences in football, men's basketball, and baseball. Not only are those the three our alumni care about, they also give students and alumni incentive to watch MSU sports and visit starkville basically year round. That's obviously not on the table for right now.
Certainly if we could only be good at one, the one to pick would be football. The second one to pick would be basketball, and third would be baseball. But we can't just magically wave a wand and be good at football. We don't have an immediately available path to not suck at football right now. We're in good shape in basketball as far as our coaching situation, but we're having to rebuild our team this off season (which is going to be the norm every year until something changes) so it's always going to be wait and see as to how we did in the portal. We're not in good shape in baseball. If we were rolling in basketball, maybe you could just accept sucking in baseball and focus on keeping that going.
But with the uncertainly in basketball, and the relative certainty that we are going to have a bad record if not outright suck in football, it's pretty risky to just say we're going to suck in baseball to save what is a relatively small amount in the context of a football roster. You don't wan to have a 20 month period with no positive athletic experiences that people care about. At some point, people just decide they're better off not worrying about it and then you have to have something special happen to draw them back in.
We get paid the TV money no matter what.
Our NIL will be affected but we don’t have that much anyway.
Something has to pay the athletic department bills. That is football. Baseball will never do that, ever. A great baseball program will never really bring much to the university. It's college baseball. Nobody outside of about 10-12 schools cares. College baseball is to the south what college hockey is to the north.
It’s going to take more than the SEC welfare. We need to pump excitement back into the fan base.
I’m not advocating tearing anything down. We need football more successful to funnel money everywhere else.
That guy is crazy. As a lifetime fan, he's telling me that the few sporadic spots of glory over the years are over entirely and since there's no investment, the expectation is to be the conference whipping boy in literally every sport.
With this then, I should be happy about it because we might waste enough money on a basically non-competitive football roster in the hopes of obtaining a few decently talented athletes and a mediocre record. And, as soon as the season is over, our best talent will be poached and we'll start the vicious cycle over as soon as the season ends.
Meanwhile, we should really enjoy going and watching ****** teams in non-revenue sports, which I read as every sport but football.
Yeah... I'll just keep my money and invest it in my family. That so called strategy is a great way of ending a lifetime of fandom. I'm far from the only person that feels this way.
Not necessarily directed at you or saying you were advocating
You were just last response - I’ll do better at msg board etiquette
Maybe in the future when a coach is on the hot seat we'll say on the @$$ bucket instead.
For those that keep beating on Baseball at MSU
Baseball is the ONLY sport we are known nationally for as a top program. You let that go away, we are not thought of at all in college athletics.
Baseball is the ONLY sport we are known nationally for as a top program. You let that go away, we are not thought of at all in college athletics.