The Lumumba era is coming to a close

[thatsbaseball]

"You're talking about a 2-time Trump voter here"
Which two times ?

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

So nothing has changed in America or the world since 1901 then?

Yeah modern technology has made things easier

for the record I’m not suggesting we go back to $230 a person.

Im saying we should get back to about $11,000 and cap the 17 out of it except in times of emergency where temporary increases can be approved with a 2/3 vote. Temporary being 1 to 2 years max.

62x greater inflation adjusted!!! That’s insane!!

 

[johnson86-1]

LOL. Do you know any controllers? They weren't turning ANYBODY who was qualified down. They were and are shorthanded. Why is that so hard to understand? DEI is horrible, but that ain't why we have a shortage of controllers. There just aren't enough qualified people applying. It's not a great job to work.

Is your brain convincing you to argue about hiring graduates from FAA training rather than admission into their training program?

Or is it just ignoring the fact that the FAA sets the number of spots in ATC training without looking at applicants?

Or would trying to figure out how your brain is lying to itself short circuit the defensive mechanism?

 

[johnson86-1]

He isn't defending anything, and neither am I. We are just pointing out that this has absolutely nothing to do with the shortage of controllers.

That's an interesting moving of the goal posts. You went from "it didn't happen" to "it doesn't have anything to do with the shortage of controllers."

Baby steps.

 

[patdog]

I mean, I don't disagree that it'd be good to have a better airport, but I don't think the problem is the size of the airport. It's the number of routes available and the cost. Been a while since I've flown out of or into JAN, but from what I remember it was mostly empty and there was a long time between flights at each gate. So if Jackson started booming, I think they could add a good number of flights without having to expand capacity. If they actually were booming so much that they needed more runways and gates, I think they might could expand JAN. Not sure though. Looks to be undeveloped land around it, but probably would still have to buy out some people to create more buffer and then it may still all be wetlands that are not economic to mitigate.

If I'm wrong about how busy JAN is and they actually have demand for flights they can't add, then maybe putting one south would work. If you put it in Magee, that would suddenly be an airport that would be the closest option for Madison, Jackson, Hattiesburg, Meridian, and Laurel. You'd lose more delta people to Memphis but I'm not sure how many you are capturing there anyway. Still, that would be a hugely expensive project. The time for something like that was probably when we have the chair of the appropriations committee and senate majority leader. Plus you'd now have a state capital without a commercial airport within 50 minutes and you'd have a lot of vested interests that would be pissed about losing JAN and presumably losing what little commercial traffic you have at Hattiesburg/Laurel.

JAN used to handle twice the traffic it handles now. Maybe 3 times as much. It doesn’t need to be expanded or replaced. It does need a LOT better management.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I am not aware of any Federal Government hosted RFI/RFP to take over mail delivery services. A quick google search didnt provide info either.
FedEx did hold a contract with USPS to fly mail, and it looks like that recently went to UPS.

I would be interested to see what this bid entailed though.
It would be interesting to read their detailed plan for how to charge less money while providing the same breadth and depth of delivery as USPS, also keeping prices the same, and also honoring the contracts/agreements that USPS is forced to accept.

Really? Fred told me he was going to run it but you.

 

[RocketDawg]

I mean, I don't disagree that it'd be good to have a better airport, but I don't think the problem is the size of the airport. It's the number of routes available and the cost. Been a while since I've flown out of or into JAN, but from what I remember it was mostly empty and there was a long time between flights at each gate. So if Jackson started booming, I think they could add a good number of flights without having to expand capacity. If they actually were booming so much that they needed more runways and gates, I think they might could expand JAN. Not sure though. Looks to be undeveloped land around it, but probably would still have to buy out some people to create more buffer and then it may still all be wetlands that are not economic to mitigate.

If I'm wrong about how busy JAN is and they actually have demand for flights they can't add, then maybe putting one south would work. If you put it in Magee, that would suddenly be an airport that would be the closest option for Madison, Jackson, Hattiesburg, Meridian, and Laurel. You'd lose more delta people to Memphis but I'm not sure how many you are capturing there anyway. Still, that would be a hugely expensive project. The time for something like that was probably when we have the chair of the appropriations committee and senate majority leader. Plus you'd now have a state capital without a commercial airport within 50 minutes and you'd have a lot of vested interests that would be pissed about losing JAN and presumably losing what little commercial traffic you have at Hattiesburg/Laurel.

Here's the JAN stats for the past year. Passenger traffic is down a little: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airpo...rqtn4 jvyrB R8r45 V06r40n6v10ny&pn44vr4=SNPgf

Some years ago, the governor of Alabama wanted to put a large, state airport somewhere near Gadsden. Thankfully, that idea never got off the ground. The current location of the Jackson airport is about as central as it could possibly be so I don't think moving it would help any; it would hurt because people would have to drive farther. Isn't it already relatively new?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Here's the JAN stats for the past year. Passenger traffic is down a little: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?20=E&Nv42146=WNa&Nv42146_anzr=Wnpx510/ivpx5o74t, Zf: Wnpx510 Zrqtn4 jvyrB R8r45 V06r40n6v10ny&pn44vr4=SNPgf

Some years ago, the governor of Alabama wanted to put a large, state airport somewhere near Gadsden. Thankfully, that idea never got off the ground. The current location of the Jackson airport is about as central as it could possibly be so I don't think moving it would help any; it would hurt because people would have to drive farther. Isn't it already relatively new?

Nah it was going to be between Birmingham and Montgomery. And they wanted one runway to be 20,000' long. True story.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Nah it was going to be between Birmingham and Montgomery. And they wanted one runway to be 20,000' long. True story.

Almost 4 miles? What’s a normal 747 approved runway? 1 mile?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I don't care where, we need a bigger, better airport. Most people I know don't use Jackson unless they have to. I see more using New Orleans than anywhere. If Jackson isn't going to do **** with the piddling little airport, the state should do something.

You have got to be 17ing kidding me. Let me make sure I'm clear......you're wanting to move the Jackson-Evers International Airport, which already got moved 65 years ago to the ideal location it's in now, with not one, but 2 8,500-foot runways bigger than what they need, with ample land around it for development?

Bro it will be another 65 years before Jackson grows into the airport it has now.

What a dumbass.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Almost 4 miles? What’s a normal 747 approved runway? 1 mile?

No, longer than that. 12,500' probably with every conservative metric known to man. But it can get in smaller ones with constraints, probably 6,000 absolute minimum no weight, etc.

 

[johnson86-1]

Here's the JAN stats for the past year. Passenger traffic is down a little: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?20=E&Nv42146=WNa&Nv42146_anzr=Wnpx510/ivpx5o74t, Zf: Wnpx510 Zrqtn4 jvyrB R8r45 V06r40n6v10ny&pn44vr4=SNPgf

Some years ago, the governor of Alabama wanted to put a large, state airport somewhere near Gadsden. Thankfully, that idea never got off the ground. The current location of the Jackson airport is about as central as it could possibly be so I don't think moving it would help any; it would hurt because people would have to drive farther. Isn't it already relatively new?

It would hurt convenience for some and help it for others. Not sure what the balance would be. You'd mostly be losing people to non-air travel, not losing them to other airports though, except for people in the Delta. Not sure how much you'd really be losing because it seems like you're already inconvenient to fly to most places within reasonable dirving distances because of connections. If you're flying to Jackson, dallas, or houston, does an extra hour of driving to the airport make you want to drive 5, 6, or 7 hours rather than fly? If you have to drive an hour to the airport, maybe driving to nashville sounds better than connecting in atlanta and having a layover. Maybe same for somewhere like St. Louis? But those are really the only cities with decent airports within driving distance that you could reasonably fly to now without a direct flight.

The flip side is maybe you get some more direct flights if you are drawing from Jackson MSA and also some from hattiesburg/Laurel/Meridian.

 

[mstateglfr]

Really? Fred told me he was going to run it but you.

Funny and whatnot, but it doesnt change the fact that I cant find anything to support the claim that FedEx submitted a bid to take over all of USPS' work, much less do it for less money.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Man, you really don't get it. You're talking about a 2-time Trump voter here. You have to stop with these shock press clippings. I'll just tell you one thing.....if you think Republicans are better than Democrats about infrastructure, you've lost your mind.

Shock press clipping?? I linked a tweet directly from former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigig (sp?) himself. If you don't like the message (which good lord I still hold out hope that you don't) you need to blame Mayor Pete.

Speaking of Mayor Pete, abso-17'ing-lutely I think Republicans are better than democrats on infrastructure. Because they usually aren't having their people focus on only making DEI hires. They hire people who can get the job done, no matter what color, religion, creed or sexuality that person is.

I believe that has been proven out a hundred times over in Baltimore, San Fransisco, Jackson, Detroit, Memphis, etc. Ask Grok how Mayor Pete was with potholes. This is ludicrous.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Funny and whatnot, but it doesnt change the fact that I cant find anything to support the claim that FedEx submitted a bid to take over all of USPS' work, much less do it for less money.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to argue. I said myself I don’t know if it is a fact. Maybe it didn’t happen, maybe FedEx tried but the US government said it was a non-starter. But I work for USPS and I just billed the US tax payer $1,700 for the time it took me to type this. Good thing I’m being efficient today.

 

[RocketDawg]

Nah it was going to be between Birmingham and Montgomery. And they wanted one runway to be 20,000' long. True story.

The runway length sounds familiar, but i have no idea why one that length would be needed unless you'd be landing the Space Shuttle there, and even then it wasn't needed - the Shuttle strip in Florida is only 15,000 ft. Speaking of space vehicles - I wonder if Dream Chaser is still a thing.

 

[RocketDawg]

Almost 4 miles? What’s a normal 747 approved runway? 1 mile?

747-800 needs over 10,000 feet to take off, presumably fully loaded.

 

[RotorHead]

Almost 4 miles? What’s a normal 747 approved runway? 1 mile?

….hardly

it ain’t about landing. It’s about getting rolling, up to speed, encountering a problem, and having space to stop. I’ve never flown a 74, but I’d take a gander they’re not landing on anything less than 9,000 or possibly slightly more

 

[L4Dawg]

That's an interesting moving of the goal posts. You went from "it didn't happen" to "it doesn't have anything to do with the shortage of controllers."

Baby steps.

I never said they weren’t doing it, and it doesn't have a dang thing to do with the controller shortage. I realize that is probably beyond your comprehension.

 

[L4Dawg]

Is your brain convincing you to argue about hiring graduates from FAA training rather than admission into their training program?

Or is it just ignoring the fact that the FAA sets the number of spots in ATC training without looking at applicants?

Or would trying to figure out how your brain is lying to itself short circuit the defensive mechanism?

Know any controllers?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The runway length sounds familiar, but i have no idea why one that length would be needed unless you'd be landing the Space Shuttle there, and even then it wasn't needed - the Shuttle strip in Florida is only 15,000 ft. Speaking of space vehicles - I wonder if Dream Chaser is still a thing.

You don’t anymore. That proposal was in the 90s. Thinking back then was just bigger and better.

 

[She Mate Me]

You guys done talking about Lumumba yet??

 

[johnson86-1]

I never said they weren’t doing it, and it doesn't have a dang thing to do with the controller shortage. I realize that is probably beyond your comprehension.

That’s what your brain is telling you now? It’s definitely reliable and you should definitely keep thinking you’re right. Don’t worry at all that it’s going to make you look like a jack ***. There’s definitely no way for people to check to see what you wrote earlier in the thread.

Goat and I don't often agree, but he is absolutely correct on this.

They were and are BEGGING for qualified applicants of any stripe. You are just flat out wrong man.

No, just that it didn’t eliminate any qualified applicants. They were taking people who weren’t qualified, but that was because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified applicants. They were trying to attract anyone even remotely qualified. Do you know any ATCs?

 

[L4Dawg]

That’s what your brain is telling you now? It’s definitely reliable and you should definitely keep thinking you’re right. Don’t worry at all that it’s going to make you look like a jack ***. There’s definitely no way for people to check to see what you wrote earlier in the thread.

Were they short of controllers before this stuff you are ranting about? Were the short after?

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

I stopped right here

In 2022 the government spends 61 times per person what it did in 1901 (adjusted for inflation)

let that sink in.

Year	Spend	Adj Inflation	Population	Spend/person
1901	525000000	17908198717	77584000	$230.82
1950	42038000000	343381178164	152271417	$2,255.06
1970	168042000000	765916815390	205052174	$3,735.23
2000	1458185000000	2770258985164	281421906	$9,843.79
2022	4763683000000	4763683000000	333287557	$14,293

US Population: From 1900

US Federal Budgetary Spending by Year – Polidiotic

@horshack.sixpack !??

 

[johnson86-1]

Were they short of controllers before this stuff you are ranting about? Were the short after?

So now your brain is trying to change the subject to avoid the pain of recognizing how wrong it is?

I will answer your question if you can explain how it any answer would support or disprove anything I've claimed. If you try to do that, you'll have to make up something about what I've claimed. Looking forward to where you go with this.

 

[L4Dawg]

So now your brain is trying to change the subject to avoid the pain of recognizing how wrong it is?

I will answer your question if you can explain how it any answer would support or disprove anything I've claimed. If you try to do that, you'll have to make up something about what I've claimed. Looking forward to where you go with this.

Lol, I wouldn’t want to answer those questions either if I were you.

 

[johnson86-1]

Lol, I wouldn’t want to answer those questions either if I were you.

I will take that as a concession that you can't do it. Glad to see you are never going to let being consistently and provably wrong stop you from being certain in your opinions.

 

[L4Dawg]

I will take that as a concession that you can't do it. Glad to see you are never going to let being consistently and provably wrong stop you from being certain in your opinions.