I don't care one way or the other but that rule says "in any manner in any event or contest" and that "one individual can constitute a team", just seems hypocritical
The MHSAA needs to be disbanded
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exactly and i agree with this.
The MHSAA doesnt make the rules. They enforce the rules made and voted on by the schools.
If everyone thinks this is a stupid rule, then maybe it can be changed in the future for the betterment of everyone. I dont know enough about all that to know what type of box that opens for other sports if the rule changes.
Well, they contacted him after they had purchased plane tickets and accommodations and paid race fees. I can understand eating those costs, along with the importance of running against better competition, being enough to go ahead. Which is another tragic thing about this stupidity is the person it hurts as much or more than him is his next best competitor. If they can compete with him, they are presumably in the running for college scholarships. Decreasing the competition they face isn't going to help them improve their times.
Indoor track and outdoor track are different sports, regardless of what Mississippi high school athletics declares. This is easily shown by pointing the records, which are different because they are different sports.
Got news, it's been done forever. You have kids in jr high on small school HS teams playing on the weekend because they dont play much for HS. When there was slow pitch softball, girls played Fastpitch all fall during season.
I’ve also ran the stop sign at the end of my road for years. But I doubt that excuse would work if a cop pulled me over for running it.
just because it’s been done for years don’t mean it’s legal.
They enforce what they want to enforce. MHSAA is straight up trash. Those rules are to protect coaches, not kids too. Anyone that believes MHSAA is in the helping kids business is an idiot. They make money and take trips. We had the highest paid director in the country at one time. Bunch of NCAA wannabes.
club ball never overlaps and no one discourages players from playing HS ball. One exception is ECNL which is the next step up from club ball. It is during HS season. if they were made to choose they would drop HS bc ECNL is where the recruiters are. kids like HS ball it is a joke In terms of quality and development.
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Well that settles it…it’s an old rule so it must be a good one.
Allowing a kid to run in the Boston marathon during track season. My god. What an atrocity.
Allowing a kid to run in the Boston marathon during track season. My god. What an atrocity.
I’d put money on the complaint coming from Oxford. They did the same thing to the soccer player from hernando after hernando beat Oxford.
They absolutely overlap, and players absolutely play both. Club runs pretty much from August to June. July if you make regionals.
This sounds like when some NE Mississippi 1A schools complained about the Mississippi River Catholic Schools having players from across the river (Greenville, Vicksburg, Natchez). A lot of these kids attended the schools since elementary. I remember reading Cathedral had about 80 kids that were from Louisiana and they would not have been able to play sports.
So the 3 schools all left for MAIS in 2015 or 2016. It was literally done in a few weeks in the summer. I can't imagine the scheduling that had to be redone for that to happen.
So the 3 schools all left for MAIS in 2015 or 2016. It was literally done in a few weeks in the summer. I can't imagine the scheduling that had to be redone for that to happen.
I would like to know what candy *** parent or coach complained? "We can't beat him so let's get him banned." Why would someone really be worried about a high school Freshman? You have to be a really big dick head.
They really dont. Its really easy to look this up. In Mississippi soccer runs from October to January. While other states have moved soccer into a spring sport, Mississippi has not. This is to allow those players to play their club sport from end of January thru July without interference from the HS season.
ALL of the MS club soccer events happen OUTSIDE the high school window. They begin in Feb end in June. Fall season starts in August and ends the last weeks of October. There is a HUGE break in the schedule from beginning NOV- end of JAN... why you ask.. because its high school soccer season.
In other words: All the MS travel ball and club sports, work inside the guidelines of the MissHSAA.
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My nephew played club soccer while he was on the Hernando HS team. The seasons don’t overlap.
No, here are links to top indoor & outdoor track times from MS runners this year if you want to know who his main competition is.
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/rankings/list/149945/m/1600m?restrict=true
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/rankings/list/145316/m/1600m?restrict=true
I can’t see the list because I don’t have a login. I’m still sticking with the story that the complaint came from Oxford. I don’t like them and I don’t have to be rational. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong, though.
BUSA does not let their kids play HS ball, or they didn't when mine were coming up. Perhaps you meant in MS? That may very well be true. I'm far enough removed that I obviously couldn't recall if there was any overlap...and yes, HS soccer is typically low quality with a few exceptions.
I know the Dad and family personally. I can promise that while they would love to see the kid get to do what he loves and is great at doing. The most important part of it for them is that the rule is changed so there is the ability to "showcase" Mississippi talent in every sport. Also, if the "coaches or admin from Tupelo didn't have their heads up their rear ends then they should have applied for a showcase clause in that same rule instead of just letting it proceed. Also my personal thought is how is this for the benefit of the kids any of the kids to remove competition from the field.
That is False. I can tell you I have been to soccer tournaments multiple times in December with ODP teams. We competed in Atlanta and Miami in the month of December and this included girls from the whole state, many who played on some the states best HS programs (West Lauderdale, Clinton, Brandon, Tupelo, MC, Hattiesburg, NW Rankin just to name a few). Also there are multiple club tournaments that run into November that MS clubs have attended (look up Vestavia Hills for 1 example) and to say MS HS soccer ends in January is false. In the past the playoffs went into February.
HuntDawg I understand you are trying to defend MHSAA but the reality is the association has turned a blind eye to enforcing this rule. This is plain and simple selective enforcement.
Yep if you ever see me running tackle the guy running behind me and you better hit him really hard if I am running from him.
People running for fun is proof that the Devil is real. Nobody else would me so mean as to trick poor saps into thinking running is fun.
@Lucifer Morningstar - I am on to you!
Im actually not trying to defend anything. Think about all those states you are referring too... Atlanta, Miami, vestavia, those arent mississippi. Those states all have different rules.
Again its not hard to look up. Look it up for yourself.
There is the calendar. Season begins Oct 28th. Ends Jan 25th. State Champs are Feb 10th
MSA Sanctioned Tournaments - Mississippi Soccer Association
Any MSA member organization in good standing may host a league tournament. To sanction this event through MSA which provides secondary medical coverage to MSA players/coaches and liability coverage to […]
www.mssoccer.org
Here are MS soccer tournaments. First one. Feb 16th
Fall all but 4 tournaments end before the 28th. Which Im guessing most high schoolers wont play in
As far as the state turning a blind eye. Again I'm not sure you understand how the MHSAA works. The MHSAA doesnt run around looking for people to bust. They are only there to enforce the rules. Someone has to report a violation before the MHSAA even looks into. So if it is being allowed or selective or whatever you want to call it. Its because people/schools/coaches, etc are turning a blind eye to it. Not the MHSAA. Once this incident was brought to the MHSAA, they made a fair/just ruling based on the rules... and these are the rules that are voted on by the schools/coaches/ADs.. not the MHSAA. So if you want to blame someone for the incident and rules, go blame your current administrators and ADs.
Well, if you want to keep up your oxford hate, it looks like Oxford does have somebody within 10 seconds of him in the mile. 10 seconds is a pretty sizeable difference, and pretty hard for somebody that's already training at a high level to shave off, but not something that just can't be done in a season, especially if the kid is growing (or has recently grown and is adjusting to carrying more weight).
No offense Mr. Golfer, but we have had our run ins in the past. I would much prefer if you could keep from mentioning me in any of your posts. I do not want to be associated with you or your posts, thank you. Have a wonderful day.
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They had been openly breaking the rule against out of state players for years. Schools had complained for years. The MHSAA finally decided to enforce its own rules.
Didn't the kid run out of state in a competition that isn't even offered in MS. If your agrument is true and the kid ran in MA, why would it matter to MHSAA.Im actually not trying to defend anything. Think about all those states you are referring too... Atlanta, Miami, vestavia, those arent mississippi. Those states all have different rules.
Again its not hard to look up. Look it up for yourself.
There is the calendar. Season begins Oct 28th. Ends Jan 25th. State Champs are Feb 10th
MSA Sanctioned Tournaments - Mississippi Soccer Association
Any MSA member organization in good standing may host a league tournament. To sanction this event through MSA which provides secondary medical coverage to MSA players/coaches and liability coverage to […]
Here are MS soccer tournaments. First one. Feb 16th
Fall all but 4 tournaments end before the 28th. Which Im guessing most high schoolers wont play in
As far as the state turning a blind eye. Again I'm not sure you understand how the MHSAA works. The MHSAA doesnt run around looking for people to bust. They are only there to enforce the rules. Someone has to report a violation before the MHSAA even looks into. So if it is being allowed or selective or whatever you want to call it. Its because people/schools/coaches, etc are turning a blind eye to it. Not the MHSAA. Once this incident was brought to the MHSAA, they made a fair/just ruling based on the rules... and these are the rules that are voted on by the schools/coaches/ADs.. not the MHSAA. So if you want to blame someone for the incident and rules, go blame your current administrators and ADs.
Because the kid still is on a team in MS, that is under the MHSAA umbrella. And the rules state indoor OR outdoor track.
The argument made in the above is that the cities your mentioning do have travel soccer going at the time but they are out of state so they arent worried with MS rules.
MS and MS Club soccer does not overlap high school season b/c they know its against the rules. As I posted, club soccer in MS does schedule an event until after the HS season ends. First tournament in 2024 is a week after the state championships. Links are in the post above.
Isn't there a growing and growing body of caselaw where the NCAA tried to make this point in court and has gotten blasted every single time?
they do not overlap for those in HS. there is a fall season and a spring season with a winter break for all age groups, though some younger age groups (earlier than HS) will play into November.
So would this include youth individual tennis tournaments? Swimming? Ect Maybe I’m not understanding
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