The Heartland Institute was created by Big Tobacco to spread misinformation that claimed cigarettes were not harmful. They switched over to climate propaganda after that work dried up. They are not to be taken seriously.
The opposite of get in the water and cool down…
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So is that stuff they are saying about the locations of the thermometers not true? Serious question.
Not true.
Ending the Climate Crisis - Greenpeace - Greenpeace
We’re in a climate crisis and the oil, gas, and coal industry is to blame. It’s time to put people above fossil fuels and act on climate.
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uses a greenpeace article to debunk a heartland article. That's serious clown shoe bullchit.Not true.
Ending the Climate Crisis - Greenpeace - Greenpeace
We’re in a climate crisis and the oil, gas, and coal industry is to blame. It’s time to put people above fossil fuels and act on climate.
You must be a troll.
Have you considered there might be new different info in 50 more years?Have you considered there might be new information in the last 50+ years?
That ’70s myth—did climate science really call for a “coming ice age?”
Claims that scientists flip-flopped on climate don’t reflect the science.arstechnica.com
In 1975, Newsweek Predicted A New Ice Age. We’re Still Living with the Consequences. - Longreads
All climate change deniers needed was one article to cast doubt on the science of global warming.longreads.com
How the "Global Cooling" Story Came to Be
Nine paragraphs written for Newsweek in 1975 continue to trump 40 years of climate science. It is a record that has its author amazedwww.scientificamerican.com
And vice-perpetrator Al Gore and Lurch (aka John Kerry) are laughing all the way to the bank!!
How do you know your source is true and not the other guys? Also, being serious.Not true.
Ending the Climate Crisis - Greenpeace - Greenpeace
We’re in a climate crisis and the oil, gas, and coal industry is to blame. It’s time to put people above fossil fuels and act on climate.
I’d check back in on the gulf in late August…
Once this baby hits 88 degrees Fahrenheit, you’re gonna see some serious schit.
That’s still coming… it’ll be in about 10K years after the current extinction event is over and we’re gone.
Absolutely it warms the water. There was a power plant just north of Cocoa that dumped into the Indian River and it was a fishing hot spot. Literally and figuratively
Fair point. But Google it, the Heartland Institute is a well documented propaganda outfit.
While the news from earlier this week that a buoy near the Florida Keys recorded a water temperature of 101.1 degrees is alarming, it's not unprecedented.
It's not even the record for Manatee Bay, the observing site where the data came from, said David Zierden, state climatologist at the Florida Climate Center in Tallahassee.
The record for the Manatee Bay site is 102 degrees. It was set on Aug. 15, 2017. Going further back, Zierden said the site recorded a temperature of 100 degrees in 2010.
"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee bay are in shallow water in a closed off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature", as that implies open ocean."
Even though there is a bit of a "tap the brakes" vibe when it comes to this week's excessive water temperature news that is making headlines, it comes with "the backdrop that coastal and open ocean temperatures are still running much above normal for the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, and around the Florida Keys," Zierden said.
https://www.news-press.com/story/we...y-climate-center-keys-everglades/70468485007/
It's not even the record for Manatee Bay, the observing site where the data came from, said David Zierden, state climatologist at the Florida Climate Center in Tallahassee.
The record for the Manatee Bay site is 102 degrees. It was set on Aug. 15, 2017. Going further back, Zierden said the site recorded a temperature of 100 degrees in 2010.
"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee bay are in shallow water in a closed off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature", as that implies open ocean."
Even though there is a bit of a "tap the brakes" vibe when it comes to this week's excessive water temperature news that is making headlines, it comes with "the backdrop that coastal and open ocean temperatures are still running much above normal for the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, and around the Florida Keys," Zierden said.
https://www.news-press.com/story/we...y-climate-center-keys-everglades/70468485007/
I don’t know how anyone on either side of the global warming argument feels confident in their position. There is no doubt the earth is warming but I don’t know how anyone can be confident humans are causing it, we have not been tracking weather long enough to make any definitive conclusions in my opinion. And people that deny it so vehemently will shrug off any amount of facts with “it’s a conspiracy”.
Can't know for certain of course, but it is not difficult to identify paid liars who get caught making lies yet just keep on (Heartland Institute), from legitimate outfits who are trying to follow facts and reason yet may fall prey to bias, error, etc (scientists).
I've posted this before. It's fairly simple science.
You know earth is a closed system. It doesn't lose matter to space or get new matter from space.
First, you have to know/ acknowledge that CO2 in the atmosphere warms the earth ( or really any planet, its a huge reason why Venus is hotter than mercury).
Next, you have to know that Humans have mined and burned carbon buried for 10 's to 100's of millions of years making the atmospheric CO2 levels rise ( closed system). Note: No Humans were around for any of this.
This accelerated after the invention of the steam engine. and again after WWII with more worldwide development.
When that carbon was originally captured, the temperature of earth was much hotter.
Coal was formed during th carboniferous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous The mold that breaks down wood had not evolved, so any woody plant did not rot and turned to coal.
Oil and gas deposits are from the permian with very high CO2 levels and earth temperture, Paleogene and Eoccene that each had very high CO2 and high temperatures....
We are heading towards a Miocene like climate... They think it took an asteroid hit to cool that down.
There's no doubt the planet warms and cools in cycles, but the science is too corrupted by various agendas. For every "denier" article there's a "we're all gonna die" article.
So bias and error are Ok depending on which side they came from? Please don’t pretend the group quoted by the other poster is the only group getting paid. The global warming alarmist are bringing in lots of money.
but back to the original point, I’d like to know how the temperatures referenced as proof that the earth’s temp is rising are measured. Are the thermometers in the same locations they were 40 years ago? Are they the same type of thermometers? Are the surroundings the same? I seriously have no clue how to verify that info. The source you provided refuting the other poster, is by your own admission not legit. His may not be either.
I spent a decade working with similar instrimunts. Never seen a temperature probe on a sonde go bad.
No more than one or two degrees if they are in compliance with their permit.
You need to go back and retake thermodynamics. The earth is not a closed system. It receives energy from the sun.
I'm not arguing with you (it sounds like you work in science), but I was interested in the topic and read this, I think it covers how the two of you are maybe defining it differently:
"Closed on matter"
Like i said in the post. If we make CO2, it has to be stored on the planet. so if we burn carbon, it also is stored on the planet....
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You could make an argument that:
The earth sun system historically is steady state. ( it has to be to sustain life)
So has the solar energy increased or decreased since the Industrial Revolution
the Energy from the sun is GOING DOWN since 1960
so temperatures should be decreasing
Also,
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Looks like coal use is still on the upswing. India and China aren't doing their part to meet the Paris Accord agreements.
Coal use projected to increase
Coal use projected to increase
Not what I said. Bias and error are inevitable. Intentional deceit is not. Don't equate the two.
Theyre getting paid to do science, to find truth. They're not getting paid to lie. Surely you are intelligent enough to see the difference.
Not really. Way more money in selling out to lie.
A Koch funded group ( NOT Greenpeace) looked at historical locations Not possibly affected by urban growth. That set showed warning just like the other stations. For one of many studies on the issue. It's an ooooooold claim that's never held up to study. Only paid liars promote it.
And they are adding renewable wind and solar at a breakneck pace.
The difference between them and us is that the governments' of India and China don't have Climate Deniers and have not for a long time.
We still have 1/3 of congress that says it's a hoax...
Fixed that for you
attempting a joke…we put mercury in thermometers here, what do they use on mercury? Cut me some slack, it was past my bed time.
but seriously, how do they measure temperature on Mercury and Venus. I'm not saying they don’t. I’ll admit my bias that I’m skeptical of it’s accuracy without knowing any details.
Climate action tracker say - it's not breakneck enough
"The CAT rates China’s climate targets and policies as “Highly Insufficient”. The “Highly insufficient” rating indicates that China’s climate policies and commitments are not consistent with the Paris Agreement’s 1.5°C temperature limit and lead to a plateau of high, rather than falling, emissions levels.
China’s climate commitment in 2030 falls between two categories: “Insufficient” and “Highly Insufficient”. The CAT rates China’s commitments as “Highly Insufficient” as emission levels under its NDC commitments are substantially higher than what would be deemed 1.5°C compatible compared to its “fair share” contribution. For the purposes of this rating system, we treat China's NDC commitment as unconditional, as it has not indicated a level of ambition that would be achieved with international support (a conditional NDC target)."
Thanks. That's too nuanced a point for many...
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NANC and KRUZ
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Getting paid to find truth or find more funding or promote their benefactors ideas? That’s not a right or left only issue. I’m skeptical of everyone involved. Don’t kid yourself that the alarmists aren’t making tons of this. Al Gore has bought some nice beach front properties so he can watch the oceans wipe them out I guess (assuming the reports of his purchases are true, I haven’t been to his house lately).
The same way this works...
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They use the light wavelengths. And some other more complicated things to do a check.
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