the three biggest basketball games of the season

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all home games:
  • Saturday, January 11th, 7:30 pm CT: Kentucky
  • Tuesday, February 18th, 6 pm CT: Texas A&M
  • Tuesday, March 4th, 7 pm CT: Texas
If you told me we swept those three, I'd guess we are a top-4 seed in the SEC tournament and a lock for the NCAA tournament.
 

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all home games:
  • Saturday, January 11th, 7:30 pm CT: Kentucky
  • Tuesday, February 18th, 6 pm CT: Texas A&M
  • Tuesday, March 4th, 7 pm CT: Texas
If you told me we swept those three, I'd guess we are a top-4 seed in the SEC tournament and a lock for the NCAA tournament.
Classes don't start till January 16 so let the bit-chin begin about students not being there for KY.
 

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Students are now doing their part. They know what they have with this team and Jans.

Our alumni/older fans, on the other hand......
its been 3 games against awful teams.

Quality teams and quality competition.... will bring the fans of all ages
 

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if we lose all 3 are we an NIT team?
Who said that?

Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee are probably the three best teams in the SEC. A&M, Texas, and Kentucky are probably the teams we would be competing with for the fourth spot. We happen to get all three of those teams at home, which gives us a great opportunity to pick up wins against our direct competition.
 

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Who said that?

Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee are probably the three best teams in the SEC. A&M, Texas, and Kentucky are probably the teams we would be competing with for the fourth spot. We happen to get all three of those teams at home, which gives us a great opportunity to pick up wins against our direct competition.
add Florida and Arkansas to that mix.

League is deep. We need all the wins we can get.... against them or anyone else.
 
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Showing up for Kentucky is not a baseline that would convince a coach to stay. That's a minimum expectation.
That's my point. I think we will have a good crowd and atmosphere for the Kentucky game, but if we don't, I'm not blaming the schedule relative to the academic calendar. If we need classes to be in session to have a good atmosphere vs. Kentucky on a Saturday, we just aren't a serious basketball fanbase.
 

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That's my point. I think we will have a good crowd and atmosphere for the Kentucky game, but if we don't, I'm not blaming the schedule relative to the academic calendar. If we need classes to be in session to have a good atmosphere vs. Kentucky on a Saturday, we just aren't a serious basketball fanbase.
You cant judge the crowds for the first 3 games. No one cares to come see us playin Georgia State or Prarie View.

We should schedule some quality teams to come in during the non-conference and play like every other school that is attempting to be a high quality program.

Guarentee that if one of those first 3 games were Houston or Baylor or Virginia or Villinova... we woulda had a packed house.
 

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You cant judge the crowds for the first 3 games. No one cares to come see us playin Georgia State or Prarie View.

We should schedule some quality teams to come in during the non-conference and play like every other school that is attempting to be a high quality program.

Guarentee that if one of those first 3 games were Houston or Baylor or Virginia or Villinova... we woulda had a packed house.
I’m not judging the crowds to this point. Someone mentioned that some people might complain about the students not being in town. My point is
1-I expect a good crowd / atmosphere for those games.
2-If I’m wrong, I’m not blaming the schedule.
 
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all home games:
  • Saturday, January 11th, 7:30 pm CT: Kentucky
  • Tuesday, February 18th, 6 pm CT: Texas A&M
  • Tuesday, March 4th, 7 pm CT: Texas
If you told me we swept those three, I'd guess we are a top-4 seed in the SEC tournament and a lock for the NCAA tournament.
I smell several whiteouts from AD marketing…
 

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all home games:
  • Saturday, January 11th, 7:30 pm CT: Kentucky
  • Tuesday, February 18th, 6 pm CT: Texas A&M
  • Tuesday, March 4th, 7 pm CT: Texas
If you told me we swept those three, I'd guess we are a top-4 seed in the SEC tournament and a lock for the NCAA tournament.

Who said that?

Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee are probably the three best teams in the SEC. A&M, Texas, and Kentucky are probably the teams we would be competing with for the fourth spot. We happen to get all three of those teams at home, which gives us a great opportunity to pick up wins against our direct competition.
I thought you were going to say Utah, SMU and UNLV.....the next three on the docket for us. At worst that should be three quad 2 opportunities with a chance that SMU is a Q1 game.

As for the SEC, those are great expectations to have, but the overall feel for us by "the experts" is around 10th. In addition to the six you already named, Arkansas, Florida and Ole Miss are all picked ahead of us by many or most.
 

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You cant judge the crowds for the first 3 games. No one cares to come see us playin Georgia State or Prarie View.

We should schedule some quality teams to come in during the non-conference and play like every other school that is attempting to be a high quality program.

Guarentee that if one of those first 3 games were Houston or Baylor or Virginia or Villinova... we woulda had a packed house.
A good snapshot of what our OOC support is at this point will be the Pitt game in a couple of weeks. Unfortunately, the SEC scheduled it as an 8:15 Wednesday night game so I'm sure that will be excuse no. 1, followed by it's a church night and whatever other excuses our blue hairs come up with for not making the trip from their home in Starkville or West Point.
 

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This is why we are not an elite program and it will be tough to keep Jans.
nah. We want to be an elite program. Schedule like elite programs do. There are only a handful of schools nationwide that are going to pack the house regardless of the opponent.... we scheduled 5 teams with a projected rpi in the 300s. schools that are eltie or trying to reach that level... schedule 1 or 2 of those... some none of those.

Bring in the opponent. The crowd will come.

The entire jans thing is a joke too... where's he going? Newsflash, sec programs that barely make the NCAA tournament and cant win a game there... their coach typically isnt sought after by other programs. Jans and this program will have to make a sweet 16 type run before he gets any job better than the current one... Jans found that out this summer.
 
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nah. We want to be an elite program. Schedule like elite programs do. There are only a handful of schools nationwide that are going to pack the house regardless of the opponent.... we scheduled 5 teams with a projected rpi in the 300s. schools that are eltie or trying to reach that level... schedule 1 or 2 of those... some none of those.

Bring in the opponent. The crowd will come.
No. Elite programs bring the crowds more than others. It goes for all sports. More support = good.

The entire jans thing is a joke too... where's he going? Newsflash, sec programs that barely make the NCAA tournament and cant win a game there... their coach typically isnt sought after by other programs. Jans and this program will have to make a sweet 16 type run before he gets any job better than the current one... Jans found that out this summer.
No shlt. When that times comes, I'm sure many of us would like to keep Jans.
 

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all home games:
  • Saturday, January 11th, 7:30 pm CT: Kentucky
  • Tuesday, February 18th, 6 pm CT: Texas A&M
  • Tuesday, March 4th, 7 pm CT: Texas
If you told me we swept those three, I'd guess we are a top-4 seed in the SEC tournament and a lock for the NCAA tournament.
As of right now, I would be shocked if we can beat UK. They are a very experienced team who just took down Duke and looked really solid doing it.


Why are these 3 the biggest games of the season? Why not @ #5 Auburn on 1/14? Why not @ #11 Tennessee on 1/21? Why not against #2 Bama at home on 1/29? Why not at home vs #20 Florida on 2/11?

I get that you listed 3 who are 'next up' after the claimed elite teams in the conference, but reality is there are a ton of big games thru the season and if we lose to the 3 you mention but beat Tennessee on the road, Bama at home, and OM on the road...that is probably more impressive and beneficial to our Tournament hopes.
 

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nah. We want to be an elite program. Schedule like elite programs do. There are only a handful of schools nationwide that are going to pack the house regardless of the opponent.... we scheduled 5 teams with a projected rpi in the 300s. schools that are eltie or trying to reach that level... schedule 1 or 2 of those... some none of those.

Bring in the opponent. The crowd will come.

The entire jans thing is a joke too... where's he going? Newsflash, sec programs that barely make the NCAA tournament and cant win a game there... their coach typically isnt sought after by other programs. Jans and this program will have to make a sweet 16 type run before he gets any job better than the current one... Jans found that out this summer.
Are you suggesting he tried to leave this summer?
 

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No. Elite programs bring the crowds more than others. It goes for all sports. More support = good.


No shlt. When that times comes, I'm sure many of us would like to keep Jans.
Alabama had some of the lowest attedance in the SEC. Took the cupcakes off the schedule. Took some lumps. Starting winning. People came.

Dont blame our crowds for us not being elite. When we start acting elite, playing elite, and scheduling elite.... then we can complain about our crowds. Wondering why they dont show up for Georgia State... isnt the crowds fault, its the people that schedule said game.

Again, Jans isnt going anywhere. He's nowhere near as sought out as people think. He'll have to have sustained success at a much higher level than he's having it now before any program that would be considered an upgrade for him comes calling.
 

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Are you suggesting he tried to leave this summer?
Cant say for sure. heard some things circulating. Big jobs were open this summer....if he was dipping his toes in the water, nothing came of it.

Again he hasnt had the success needed for us to be worried about him finding greener pastures.
 

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Alabama had some of the lowest attedance in the SEC. Took the cupcakes off the schedule. Took some lumps. Starting winning. People came.

Dont blame our crowds for us not being elite. When we start acting elite, playing elite, and scheduling elite.... then we can complain about our crowds. Wondering why they dont show up for Georgia State... isnt the crowds fault, its the people that schedule said game.

Again, Jans isnt going anywhere. He's nowhere near as sought out as people think. He'll have to have sustained success at a much higher level than he's having it now before any program that would be considered an upgrade for him comes calling.
This is ridiculous. I can't believe anyone could argue that our crowds going above and beyond, BEFORE they would be minimally require, is not a great thing.

By the way - Alabama is not an elite program.....they just got lucky with a great coach. They'll fall back to the pack once he's gone.

A great program is one who generally stays good, coach after coach, because the program commitment is there due to the fans and administration.

It's not difficult. Our schedule is fine. Fans should want to come and see MSU basketball win games.
 

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This is ridiculous. I can't believe anyone could argue that our crowds going above and beyond, BEFORE they would be minimally require, is not a great thing.

By the way - Alabama is not an elite program.....they just got lucky with a great coach. They'll fall back to the pack once he's gone.

A great program is one who generally stays good, coach after coach, because the program commitment is there due to the fans and administration.

It's not difficult. Our schedule is fine. Fans should want to come and see MSU basketball win games.
Crowds being great BEFORE we are good... is a great thing. Thinking it happens anywhere is the problem because it doesnt happen anywhere else. Thinking that our crowds should have been this for the opening 3 games against local High School teams is the issue... when we play good teams, our people show up.... we should play more good teams.

Alabama got lucky with the coach, guess Tenn got lucky too with Barnes--- got it--- grumpy old man

Our schedule is fine unless we want to be elite. You keep using the word elite. Elite programs dont play our schedule. Fans want to come see MSU basketball play against good competition... and again this is the case nationwide minus a handful of schools who'll pack the gym regardless of who they play.

I've asked before and i'll ask again, you complain about the old people alumni attendance... Do you go to the games? or you just btching from your front porch again?
 

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Crowds being great BEFORE we are good... is a great thing. Thinking it happens anywhere is the problem because it doesnt happen anywhere else. Thinking that our crowds should have been this for the opening 3 games against local High School teams is the issue... when we play good teams, our people show up.... we should play more good teams.

Alabama got lucky with the coach, guess Tenn got lucky too with Barnes--- got it--- grumpy old man

Our schedule is fine unless we want to be elite. You keep using the word elite. Elite programs dont play our schedule. Fans want to come see MSU basketball play against good competition... and again this is the case nationwide minus a handful of schools who'll pack the gym regardless of who they play.

I've asked before and i'll ask again, you complain about the old people alumni attendance... Do you go to the games? or you just btching from your front porch again?
What top 20 OOC opponent would actually come to Starkville to play? I'll hang up and listen. Top 20 visiting another top 20 OOC is one thing, but top 20 teams don't visit teams like State.
 

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What top 20 OOC opponent would actually come to Starkville to play? I'll hang up and listen. Top 20 visiting another top 20 OOC is one thing, but top 20 teams don't visit teams like State.

Mizzou got Kansas
Vandy got Cal
South Carolina is going to Indiana this year to get them at home next
Texas got UConn
Texas AM got Ohio State

You dont have to go get top 20. You can start with top 50 or top 75 and work your way there. Net rankings is huge, way more home and home type games are happening amongst quality programs.

Having 5 schools in the top 300 scheduled isnt the sign of any school trying to run an elite program.... and you certainly arent going to become a top 20 program.. to get those top 20 programs on your schedule.. by playing this schedule.

When you intentionally schedule--- (net out of 363 teams)
Prarie View (327)
Bethume Cookman (308)
Georiga State (363)
West Georgia (222)
SE Lousiana (306)

You arent trying to be elite.
 
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Mizzou got Kansas
Vandy got Cal
South Carolina is going to Indiana this year to get them at home next
Texas got UConn
Texas AM got Ohio State

You dont have to go get top 20. You can start with top 50 or top 75 and work your way there. Net rankings is huge, way more home and home type games are happening amongst quality programs.



You arent trying to be elite.
Cal, Indiana and Ohio State are on par with SMU and Pitt. We are trying for top 75 as you say we are not. Missouri also plays Valley, UAPB and Eastern Washington (looked at their schedule for 30 seconds).

Elite may be the most irritating terminology ever. Especially when used 75 times in a thread.
 

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Cal, Indiana and Ohio State are on par with SMU and Pitt. We are trying for top 75 as you say we are not. Missouri also plays Valley, UAPB and Eastern Washington (looked at their schedule for 30 seconds).

Elite may be the most irritating terminology ever. Especially when used 75 times in a thread.
we were talking about home games and attendance. I realize everyone is getting in these tournamenet type deals where the schedule may vary on who you play and things of that nature.

But the games we schedule are awful. And again i know you are tossing those names around like they are the same. They arent. Missorui plays 2 teams in the net 300. We play 4. Its a big deal, and it will effect our net rankings all season long.

We can schedule better than 4 top 300 teams and another in the 200s. There is a LOT of difference in the no name schools you play in basketball. Playing no-name schools like Vermont, Grand Canyon, Lipscomb, Troy, Stetson... who are still no names. Are no names in the 100s and 200s.. not 200s and 300s... and make all the difference in the world with the net rankings which effecting seeding.

But as the grumpy old man mentioned elite. You want to be elite.. you better find some of those schools to play. And it may mean you have to go on the road, or give up a 2 for 1 to get it. But thats the step of rising to the top.
 
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