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[CriminalTrakerAlum80]

I don't mean to "bury" that partial year as interim coach, i would just prefer to see it labeled as it really was. A partial year, of interim coaching.

And that Preseason rankings g isn't worth much (are they ever?l compared to the team they were fielding. They were 3-3, and playing badly enough to have their coach fired mid season when he took over.

I agree, 3 years is too soon to can a coach. Beamer will be here next year, and unless the wheels really come off, he'll be here the next year. But the poster made a good point. In 3 years, you should start to see where things are going.

But comparing third years? Beamer has fallen down, underachieving. Dabo won 10 games his third season. There is a definite difference in that trajectory.

"But comparing third years? Beamer has fallen down, underachieving. Dabo won 10 games his third season. There is a definite difference in that trajectory."

"My numbers and retort dealt specifically with the ascertion "Three years is plenty enough time to see where things are going." from another member. The fact they did not run Swinney off after going 6-7 and having a winning percentage of 55.88% as HC from 2008-2010 proves it. The comparison of wins and loses over the course of a career between Swinney and Beamer has nothing to do with that central argument."

I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If they had "run off" Swinney after the 6-7 season, there would have been no ten win season the following year. Read the last sentence of my quote above again...The comparison of wins and loses over the course of a career between Swinney and Beamer has nothing to do with that central argument."

Specifically, the assertion that "three years is plenty enough time to see where things are going." I do not agree with that statement and you do. That pretty much covers it. But I will gladly post their record for his official third year (by your account) if you wish. But he did become the winningest coach in Clemson history last weekend and those four victories from his first year, regardless of coaching title, counted toward that total.

 

[CriminalTrakerAlum80]

Clemson (10-4) ** - Non division 1A team
2011/09/03 Clemson 43 - Troy 19 Finished 3-9
2011/09/10 Clemson 35 - **Wofford Finished Not Listed
2011/09/17 Clemson 38 - Auburn 24 Finished 8-5 Ranked 25
2011/09/24 Clemson 35 - Florida St 30 Finished 9-4 Ranked 34
2011/10/01 Clemson 23 - Virginia Tech 3 Finished 11-3 Ranked 15
2011/10/08 Clemson 36 - Boston College 14 Finished 4-8 Ranked 102
2011/10/15 Clemson 56 - Maryland 45 Finished 2-10 Ranked 107
2011/10/22 Clemson 59 - North Carolina 38 Finished 7-6 Ranked 53
2011/10/29 Georgia Tech 31 - Clemson 17 Finished 8-5 Ranked 48
2011/11/12 Clemson 31 - Wake Forest 28 Finished 6-7 Ranked 81
2011/11/19 North Carolina St 37 - Clemson 13 Finished 8-5 Ranked 73
2011/11/26 South Carolina 34 - Clemson 13 Finished 11-2 Ranked 9
2011/12/03 Clemson 38 - Virginia Tech 10 ** ACC CHAMPIONSHIP ** See Above
2012/01/04 West Virginia 70 - Clemson 33 !! Orange Bowl !! Finished 10-3 Ranked 20th

I am a numbers guy. Ten wins is ten wins though, regardless of just how soft the schedule.

 

[Lurker123]

I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If they had "run off" Swinney after the 6-7 season, there would have been no ten win season the following year. Read the last sentence of my quote above again...The comparison of wins and loses over the course of a career between Swinney and Beamer has nothing to do with that central argument."

Specifically, the assertion that "three years is plenty enough time to see where things are going." I do not agree with that statement and you do. That pretty much covers it. But I will gladly post their record for his official third year (by your account) if you wish. But he did become the winningest coach in Clemson history last weekend and those four victories from his first year, regardless of coaching title, counted toward that total.

I am also not sure I can make it any clearer. You are correct that the 10 win season would not have happened had they run him off after his second year (6-7).

But talking about what happened after his second year doesn't have anything to do with the central argument either. Since it's dealing with an evaluation after 3 years. And his 10 win season in year 3 gives his career a totally different trajectory than beamers is looking. (Granted his 3rd year has a few games left)

We can go back and forth forever, the crux is, you are counting a partial year as an interim coach as a full year. I do not.

 

[KingWard]

We could do rivaling shirts.

At least 6 to get it fixed!

Give him Six to Work His Fix!

 

[CriminalTrakerAlum80]

I am also not sure I can make it any clearer. You are correct that the 10 win season would not have happened had they run him off after his second year (6-7).

But talking about what happened after his second year doesn't have anything to do with the central argument either. Since it's dealing with an evaluation after 3 years. And his 10 win season in year 3 gives his career a totally different trajectory than beamers is looking. (Granted his 3rd year has a few games left)

We can go back and forth forever, the crux is, you are counting a partial year as an interim coach as a full year. I do not.

Happy Thanksgiving...your last quote sums up your position. I counter it was only counted it as what it was...a 4-3 record once he became the Top Cat there. A personal HC record that goes toward the totals between 2008 and 2010. Thanks for keeping the debate clean and devoid of personal attacks between one another.

 

[Lurker123]

Happy Thanksgiving...your last quote sums up your position. I counter it was only counted it as what it was...a 4-3 record once he became the Top Cat there. A personal HC record that goes toward the totals between 2008 and 2010. Thanks for keeping the debate clean and devoid of personal attacks between one another. I'm done.

Jerk! A-hole!

Oh wait, you said NO personal attacks.



Have fun.

 

[CriminalTrakerAlum80]

Suppose I substitute Nick Saban's first three years at Michigan State and remove Swinney entirely from the conversation? Just kidding. I'm done.
I'm going to focus on the holidays and put this season behind me.

 

[Spurman54]

This is why people look at Clemson having the most ignorant fans in the world. Going to another schools website and posting. You people are the definition of stupid and ignorant. Now take that yawn and go back to the hillrunner website beside a cemetery. No wonder they call it dead valley because everything beside it is dead, stupid and ignorant.

 

[FootballLVR]

This is why people look at Clemson having the most ignorant fans in the world. Going to another schools website and posting. You people are the definition of stupid and ignorant. Now take that yawn and go back to the hillrunner website beside a cemetery. No wonder they call it dead valley because everything beside it is dead, stupid and ignorant.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?