Transfers/NIL/Recruiting - A salary cap/revenue share won't matter...

[dawgstudent]

money under the table will still happen to sweeten the pot.

1 or 2 things need to happen

1. NCAA or someone essentially nukes programs like they did SMU for paying players but in this case it would be past the salary cap
2. Unlimited transfers eliminated
3. Contracts are put into play for athletes

2 or 3 seem like the most likely in my opinion.

 

[DawgsGoneWild]

Or let’s go back to when a free education and loyalty meant something. Stop teaching youngsters that quitting bc your playing time isn’t where you want it to be. Actually work hard and earn that starting spot. I’m not bring up participation trophies and the downfall of new generations.

with that said, something has to happen here. It’s out of control. Kids making $13million in college is ludicrous

 

[StateCollege]

Is it even under the table? Third-party NIL won't be illegal. The revenue share caps are just what the schools themselves can pay. It doesn't have anything to do with the current NIL organizations.

 

[patdog]

Simple answer is player contracts and a transfer fee system like in soccer. If a player is still under contract and wants to transfer, the schools work out a transfer fee. If the player is out of contract, he can leave on a free transfer.

 

[dawgstudent]

Is it even under the table? Third-party NIL won't be illegal. The revenue share caps are just what the schools themselves can pay. It doesn't have anything to do with the current NIL organizations.

Good point. I just find it all crazy that on top of this - it's the fans footing the bill.

 

[TheBannerM]

Or let’s go back to when a free education and loyalty meant something. Stop teaching youngsters that quitting bc your playing time isn’t where you want it to be.

That ship has sailed. The NCAA could've done something more practical about NIL decades ago, but sat on their hands. Now the lawyers and TV networks rule college football and it's never going back to the old system.

 

[TheBannerM]

Is it even under the table? Third-party NIL won't be illegal. The revenue share caps are just what the schools themselves can pay. It doesn't have anything to do with the current NIL organizations.

Right. The only difference is going forward, NIL deals are supposed to be more about actual "name, image and likeness" and less about "pay for play." I don't know how you enforce that.

 

[8dog]

Is it even under the table? Third-party NIL won't be illegal. The revenue share caps are just what the schools themselves can pay. It doesn't have anything to do with the current NIL organizations.

There is still under the table now (You can pay a guy $1 mil above the table or 800K under the table….the second works out better for the player and the school). The clearinghouse would basically render collectives null and void, but I don’t see the clearinghouse surviving.

 

[Seinfeld]

Only one answer for me. Contract agreements with buyout clauses.

These guys complained for years about all the money that coaches are making and rightfully so, but now it’s time to treat them the same way. If they want money, sign a contract and be prepared to pay a penalty if they break it

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Simple answer is player contracts and a transfer fee system like in soccer. If a player is still under contract and wants to transfer, the schools work out a transfer fee. If the player is out of contract, he can leave on a free transfer.

Grambling coach Mickey Joseph made this argument a few days ago:

Former Nebraska coach wants compensation for his team when players transfer

A former Nebraska football player and coach believes that teams should be compensated when a player transfers to a bigger school.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[jethreauxdawg]

money under the table will still happen to sweeten the pot.

1 or 2 things need to happen

1. NCAA or someone essentially nukes programs like they did SMU for paying players but in this case it would be past the salary cap
2. Unlimited transfers eliminated
3. Contracts are put into play for athletes

2 or 3 seem like the most likely in my opinion.

2 is the only one with a chance of happening. It would drastically reduce the need for 1 and 3

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

money under the table will still happen to sweeten the pot.

1 or 2 things need to happen

1. NCAA or someone essentially nukes programs like they did SMU for paying players but in this case it would be past the salary cap
2. Unlimited transfers eliminated
3. Contracts are put into play for athletes

2 or 3 seem like the most likely in my opinion.

Eliminating the transfers is the biggest issue.

The top teams who always got the most talent are getting less talent now. It’s not a ton less but they are definitely getting less.

the number of 4 and 5 stars going to the traditional top 15 recruiters has dropped by about 8 to 12%. That’s 2 to 3 top recruits per class.

BUT if you don’t eliminate the unlimited transfers it won’t matter.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

That ship has sailed. The NCAA could've done something more practical about NIL decades ago, but sat on their hands. Now the lawyers and TV networks rule college football and it's never going back to the old system.

Eventually the tv networks are gonna be hurt unless something changes.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

Grambling coach Mickey Joseph made this argument a few days ago:

Former Nebraska coach wants compensation for his team when players transfer

A former Nebraska football player and coach believes that teams should be compensated when a player transfers to a bigger school.

sports.yahoo.com

His plan isn’t gonna work either. It would be way worse for the Mississippi states of the world than the Alabamas in his scenario.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

His plan isn’t gonna work either. It would be way worse for the Mississippi states of the world than the Alabamas in his scenario.

I agree.

It won’t work but at least MSU gets some money out of it with the proviso that we need to remember to stay in our lane…

(Cue the screams about that paragraph from folks who want people to contribute much more to SEF, BI, & BC… **)

Schools like Alabama will get into trouble because they’ll be forced to spend so much that their finances will go out of control.

And that’s not even taking into account possible College Athletics equivalents of soccer’s Financial Fair Play laws…

 

[Shmuley]

... it's the fans footing the bill.

Not this fan.

 

[ckDOG]

1 year agreements and unlimited transfers means no skin in the game for the players. Pro leagues don't do this because it leads to chaos. We need multi year contracts and buyouts. You can leave, but you are going to have to wait and/or it's going to be expensive. If schools/NIL make a dollar commitment to you, you are going to earn that.

 

[Dawgg]

Or let’s go back to when a free education and loyalty meant something. Stop teaching youngsters that quitting bc your playing time isn’t where you want it to be. Actually work hard and earn that starting spot. I’m not bring up participation trophies and the downfall of new generations.

with that said, something has to happen here. It’s out of control. Kids making $13million in college is ludicrous

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying in principle and I’ve been anti-“pay the players” from the start, but really, if we’re being honest, once college coaches started making over $5 Million per year with $40+ Million buyouts and conferences started signing $500 Million per year media deals, the optics really started to shift. Suddenly, there was one group being seen as left out and it was the guys getting their heads bashed in each week. In a lot of ways, the schools did this to themselves.

Now, on the other hand, I’m not against transfers. College sports have had transfers for most of my life. It’s just the frequency and recency that has changed. The whole “work hard and earn the starting spot” trope makes for a nice sports movie, but in real life, that’s not how it works out. A college player only has 4-5 years to get any playing time. I can’t make myself begrudge somebody trying to find a better situation.

 

[dorndawg]

First NIL and now folks trying to make college football like soccer.

 

[HuntDawg]

I think we are inching towards a halt of play until this gets figured out in the future... unless all parites invovled start to come toward an agreement.

Its eventually going to hit a level where only certain colleges can support it.... and even then not be able to support all their athletes.

It'll be like anything else.. there will be a pay league and a league that does things with a more standard approach, whatever that is.

 

[TheBannerM]

BUT if you don’t eliminate the unlimited transfers it won’t matter.

The courts have already ruled against transfer limitations. The only way to institute limitations is through a CBA or employment contracts, and the university presidents don't want that.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

I agree.

It won’t work but at least MSU gets some money out of it with the proviso that we need to remember to stay in our lane…

(Cue the screams about that paragraph from folks who want people to contribute much more to SEF, BI, & BC… **)

Schools like Alabama will get into trouble because they’ll be forced to spend so much that their finances will go out of control.

And that’s not even taking into account possible College Athletics equivalents of soccer’s Financial Fair Play laws…

It could work in your scenario, but he said going from G5 to P5.

No i guess what the rule should be is that going to ANY school should require compensation if the player isn't released.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying in principle and I’ve been anti-“pay the players” from the start, but really, if we’re being honest, once college coaches started making over $5 Million per year with $40+ Million buyouts and conferences started signing $500 Million per year media deals, the optics really started to shift. Suddenly, there was one group being seen as left out and it was the guys getting their heads bashed in each week. In a lot of ways, the schools did this to themselves.

Now, on the other hand, I’m not against transfers. College sports have had transfers for most of my life. It’s just the frequency and recency that has changed. The whole “work hard and earn the starting spot” trope makes for a nice sports movie, but in real life, that’s not how it works out. A college player only has 4-5 years to get any playing time. I can’t make myself begrudge somebody trying to find a better situation.

Lets just go ahead and stop giving them free educations and use that money to pay them.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

The courts have already ruled against transfer limitations. The only way to institute limitations is through a CBA or employment contracts, and the university presidents don't want that.

If they don't eliminate the unlimited transfers (either through CBA or some other way), its gonna hurt a lot more players than it helps in the long run.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Or let’s go back to when a free education and loyalty meant something. Stop teaching youngsters that quitting bc your playing time isn’t where you want it to be. Actually work hard and earn that starting spot. I’m not bring up participation trophies and the downfall of new generations.

with that said, something has to happen here. It’s out of control. Kids making $13million in college is ludicrous

This kind of thinking is unAmerican. It's not ludicrous, it's what the market will bear. We'll continue to pay for it because we want it. When we decide we don't want it, it will change.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

money under the table will still happen to sweeten the pot.

1 or 2 things need to happen

1. NCAA or someone essentially nukes programs like they did SMU for paying players but in this case it would be past the salary cap
2. Unlimited transfers eliminated
3. Contracts are put into play for athletes

2 or 3 seem like the most likely in my opinion.

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[OG Goat Holder]

Good point. I just find it all crazy that on top of this - it's the fans footing the bill.

What nobody seems to want to talk about.....is why they keep doing this.

I've said this 100 times - it's a rich man's game. They are WILLINGLY taking part in this so their teams can win. As long as that keeps happening, the NIL stuff will only grow.

I will also say that if you're a middle class person who is being guilted into giving, then you might be an idiot or at best, a pushover.

 

[HuntDawg]

What nobody seems to want to talk about.....is why they keep doing this.

I've said this 100 times - it's a rich man's game. They are WILLINGLY taking part in this so their teams can win. As long as that keeps happening, the NIL stuff will only grow.

I will also say that if you're a middle class person who is being guilted into giving, then you might be an idiot or at best, a pushover.

its getting close to its tipping point unless there is change. More and more people speaking out against it. Not saying is imminent, but its coming.

There is going to be a major break in it somewhere... what the break and changes are.. is anyones guess.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

It could work in your scenario, but he said going from G5 to P5.

No i guess what the rule should be is that going to ANY school should require compensation if the player isn't released.

He did say that but he’s essentially borrowing from soccer’s transfer fees which affect all clubs.

And I agree.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

What nobody seems to want to talk about.....is why they keep doing this.

I've said this 100 times - it's a rich man's game. They are WILLINGLY taking part in this so their teams can win. As long as that keeps happening, the NIL stuff will only grow.

I will also say that if you're a middle class person who is being guilted into giving, then you might be an idiot or at best, a pushover.

never contributed a thing to msu athletics!

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

I think the answer is a make them employees with a Collective Bargaining Agreement and potentially some form of Antitrust Exemption.

 

[Maroon13]

In the past the thought of making these guys employees seemed so foreign. However, given the current circumstances and the judge in the House case mentioned the players need collective bargaining.... it's best to just make them employees and forgot the student part. That way you can have contracts etc.

If that destroys the romance of college athletics, so be it.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Lots of athletes will swing to voting conservative after they start paying taxes on NIL.

 

[DawgInThe256]

Without an organization in place to enforce salary caps, I keep coming back to the idea of regulation/promotion. The schools/fans with the big bucks would have their top tier league, and teams in lower leagues could still be competitive against their peers.

But controlling the transfers somehow would have to be a part of this, otherwise a team would get promoted and lose the roster that got them to the higher league.

 

[85Bears]

The toothpaste is out of the tube and the regulatory body is pretty much disbanded and replaced with TV networks. The best thing you can hope for is a nba/nfl system with salary caps and revenue sharing. No matter how you shake it, small market teams without money are screwed.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

The only difference is going forward, NIL deals are supposed to be more about actual "name, image and likeness" and less about "pay for play."

you mean like the NIL deals are "supposed" to be now?

 

[ababyatemydingo]

money under the table will still happen to sweeten the pot.

1 or 2 things need to happen

1. NCAA or someone essentially nukes programs like they did SMU for paying players but in this case it would be past the salary cap
2. Unlimited transfers eliminated
3. Contracts are put into play for athletes

2 or 3 seem like the most likely in my opinion.

2 will never happen. a player will just say "well xyz school is willing to pay me more. you're restricting my earnings potential" and they courts will side with the player every time. the genie is out of the bottle and it ain't going back in. college sports is changed forever, and it isn't for the better

 

[Slow Natives]

Just be honest and stop calling it college sports.

 

[stateu1]

Just be honest and stop calling it college sports.

Yeah, I chuckled at the scorer's tables during the tourney touting "Student Athletes."

 

[dawgstudent]

What nobody seems to want to talk about.....is why they keep doing this.

I've said this 100 times - it's a rich man's game. They are WILLINGLY taking part in this so their teams can win. As long as that keeps happening, the NIL stuff will only grow.

I will also say that if you're a middle class person who is being guilted into giving, then you might be an idiot or at best, a pushover.

I've said before I haven’t adjusted my giving. I give the same amount I did previously before NIL was a thing with some adjustment because I wanted to give more.