State taxpayers need to stop subsidizing JUCO programs and “D1 programs” at Alcorn and Valley. Delta State as well.
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State taxpayers need to stop subsidizing JUCO programs and “D1 programs” at Alcorn and Valley. Delta State as well.
MC is a private school and they made a business decision.
Public institutions are paid for by public money. And that ain't nobody's business but the gubmit's.
Next thing you'll be wanting is for them to stop funding dear old state.
Public institutions are paid for by public money. And that ain't nobody's business but the gubmit's.
Next thing you'll be wanting is for them to stop funding dear old state.
Taxpayer money should not be funding dear ol' State's football team.
Mostly because we mishandling those funds
Not even TX or California funds the amount of JC football, per capita, we do. It's insane, and we get very little return on those dollars. We're the poorest state.
Correct. They need to be funding Southern’s Volleyball team.
There are some good competitive programs that are worth keeping. But some exist for very little reason.
In the late 90s, an older girl at my Church asked me to give her a tennis lesson or two. She had just been given a tennis scholarship to the local community college, and she had never played before.
In the late 90s, an older girl at my Church asked me to give her a tennis lesson or two. She had just been given a tennis scholarship to the local community college, and she had never played before.
Women’s golf scholarships are crazy. I know a guy who got his daughter to start playing golf when she was 14 or 15 and got on the highschool golf team and then started getting scholarship offers from small colleges to play. She might break 95 on a good day.
A few years ago a buddy and I decided to play golf at Gulf Shotes Country Club late on a Sunday afternoon. We pull up and there are school vans and buses everywhere. The D3 whatever conference tournament started on Monday morning and they were all there playing their practice rounds. At the time I had only been playing a year or so and couldn’t break 100. Several groups would play a hole or two with us and then we’d come up on another group and play with or through them. Some groups would play the same hole multiple times. I believe that I could have been competitive on the women’s side. As DCD said, these small schools will give a woman’s golf scholarship to anyone willing to play.
It's a shell game at these regional colleges when it comes to revenue and expenses - including landgrant institutions like ours.
Delta State and MVSU gutted their entire academic offerings in the last couple of years, but have managed to keep funding most (maybe all, I don't know for sure) their athletic programs. I doubt either institution has athletic foundations that pay for even half of those programs.
What if it can be shown that taxpayer money going towards a football team is a net benefit to the state from an educational perspective?
Example- for every $1 in taxpayer money that goes to the MSU Football program, MSU sees a 19.83% return in overall educational revenue which can go to scholarships, staff salary, infrastructure improvements, etc and improve the University for students and staff alike.
Would it be worthwhile then?
In theory, a state could reduce its overall financial commitment to a university if focuses on targeted funding instead.
We are the poorest state, which is why we have such an extensive JUCO system. They were created in part to bring education to sparsely populated and underserved areas. I’m not sure how you can say we get very little return in those dollars. Something like 10% of the state (including myself) attended a JUCO and I know a lot of people who would have never gotten a chance at a four year college if they didn’t put in a year or two at a JUCO.
I think greenbean is referring to JUCO football specifically when he said 'we get very little return on those dollars'.
I am not sure how to quantify if JUCO football is a net positive or not for the state.
JUCO as a general entity though?...yeah that should absolutely still exist and I am sure there is high return on those dollars(at least that is the case for the many other states I have seen numbers for).
Did you fail to read the word after JC, "football?" Wherever JCs are or are not an effective use to tax dollars is totally different argument.
I can't any realistic argument that funding JC football is an effective use of tax dollars.
May as well not even try. Mississippians don’t see education as an investment. Everything is looked at as spending. Gotta cut cut cut because reasons (most of the time, those reasons are something that would benefit some group).
They won’t understand that some equations are linear. All they see is simple revenue minus expense.
I recognize your joke but the point still stands. We just need to cut every program and job that doesn’t produce a short term profit.
Clay Edwards, morning radio in Jxn, says the football field is sitting on an expensive piece of real estate, and where the field sits now will likely developed in the next few years.
I suspected it was more than meets the eye.
Not real sure how land in Clinton is ripe for development, but still.
It’s an endowment from the Speed family. MS students who live on campus and get a meal plan have tuition covered for four years.
My hypothetical does exist though, in other scenarios with the same parameters.
There are countless examples at local, state, and federal levels where return on taxed investment is not just measurable but substantial.
The “free” tuition isn’t actually free, although it is heavily discounted. Yes, tuition is free if you live on campus with a meal plan. That cost adds up to approximately $14-15k/year. Heavily discounted, but not free.
Concur, I'm a Rankin/Madison County man, don't know much about Clinton. I've always kind of looked down on Clinton as it's in Hinds County.
Hard for me to imagine anything of value in shitbox Clinton and I work there pretty frequently. Unless it’s something to do with that parkway but still.. consider the source on Clay Edwards. I ain’t forgot when he burnt all of his state gear on live.
I constantly see this point made in articles and on message boards right now since we have one headinf to college next year.
And each time I see it, I wonder why I don't see the value in that observation or mindset.
Costs for college are-
- Tuition
- Room and board
- Books/supplies
- Misc
Free tuition is just that- no tuition. The fact that you still have to pay for housing and food doesn't change the reality that tuition is removed as a cost.
And the stipulation that room and board must be on campus for tuittion to not be charged is a pretty small 'penalty' in cost because everyone has to pay to live and eat.
Room and board at a major state university near me is estimated at $10800 for a shared room and highest meal plan.
At a local small private college that has a free tuition enticement for academics right now, the room and board estimate is $10500 for a shared room and h8ghest meal plan.
If you lived off campus you have tofor pay housing and food.
If you don't even go to college you l have to pay for housing and food.
You use quotes around the word free to make it seem not free and then you immediately agree tuition is free.
Funny.
Community Colleges are essentially how we have decided to organize our 13th and 14th grade. They are basically public high school extensions located in a central location. Therefore, their athletics is not very different from a high school type program. It offers opportunity for students to compete in various sports. Northwest having a golf and Tennis team isn't very different from Strayhorn High having them.
Now do all the money college athletes get before NIL!
free tuition
Free food
Free clotheds
Free books
Free tutoring
Free room and board (on or off campus)
Spending money after all of their stuff is paid for!
easily $50,000 worth a year!!
Pass because it looks like you did the work already, but also because tabulating the money college athletes get before NIL is beside the point I was responding to.
I would agree with this several years ago, but it's not the case anymore because of the huge influx of foreign women golfers, most if not all on full scholarship in division 1. As an American you're not going to get a full scholarship in division 1 unless you are very good, and still probably not full.
MSU spends almost $100k a year football players on scholarships.
The three-name chick from Spain that just turned pro would whip every @$$ on this board and take their money.
In state tuition right now is at about $20,000 per year fully paid I believe. That includes everything.
Julia, yeah, wish we had her here for one last semester. She's doing the last round of Q School, I hope she makes it through.