Have a friend who works with the program in a support function hearing rumblings that he's back. Take it fwiw.
(unconfirmed) Cliff is back
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If true, well, on the one hand, he doesn't have a future in the NFL, so it makes sense from that standpoint.
On the other hand, it might be time to turn over the offense to the younger guys....
On the other hand, it might be time to turn over the offense to the younger guys....
On point 1- agreed.
On point 2- agreed with a (big) caveat. I think its good for the program if Franklin is willing to break with his tendency and Allar actually gets some game action as the course of a game or the season allows.
I like the idea of hedging, depending on how the first 6 games play out. If we are sitting at 3-3 after 6 games with losses to Auburn, OSU and Michigan then its time to let Allar see the field quite a bit, maybe turn over the reigns, against the weaker back half of the schedule. If we are 5-1 or 4-2 with the CFP or Division still within reach you ride with Clifford. If we are 3-3 and Clifford take 95% of the snaps over the final 6 games then 2021 is a waste and we've set ourselves back in 2022.
I got a similar take. This seems to be a weak draft class for quarterbacks, so I was halfway expecting him to declare. It's likely that he got some advice regarding his chances in the NFL and here we are today. I'm not brimming over with enthusiasm about this news.
I don't think a healtht SC is bad for PSU. It gives the young guys a chance to acclimate to CFB. No matter how good you are it is a jump and you are never sure how fast guys can make it.
That would be great if it actually happened that way. But similar to a bowl game and the extra practices, Franklin has his guys and that's who will play. It's played out that way all season, player performance be damned.
If SC comes back, he will probably play all season regardless of the teams record. Unless he is forced to the sideline due to injury.
I'm in favor of perhaps taking some lumps next year in exchange for making serious bang two seasons down the road.
This might seem to be cold, and I do appreciate the effort and courage SC has shown, but it's time to Next Man Up.
That's my concern as it is Franklin's MO. Yurcich doesn't have a great history either and you have to go back a bit to find anything encouraging. Backups at UT attempted 22 passes in 2022. OSUs took 50 behind Fields in 2019. OK State's took 8, 14, 17, 61, 123, 193 in 18,17,16,15,14,13 respectively. The backup came in in 2013 after a season ending injury to the starter. 2014 he lost his job to Mason Rudolph after 9 games. 2015 were junk snaps other than one game Rudolph didnt start due to injury.
I believe it was the dark years would probably be as close as possible that I can remember. 2001/02/03/04.
Not commenting if you friend is right or wrong, but if he really works with the program, he is being very reckless. I'm very close to the program for several reasons and I know James is very strict about information leaking from Lasch. Your friend will be out quickly if he doesn't learn to keep his mouth shut.
Was he a full time starter all four years? Didn't he battle it out with Senneca for a year or two? Wasn't Senneca listed ahead of him for a bit? SC didn't start every game but he was the listed starter I believe.
If the OL doesn't drastically improve, are we interested in killing CV, Allar, and Pribula in '22 just so we can say "new starter?"
Maybe Day set us a good precedent. Ewers is still there. Did he play a snap all year? Unless he got in vs Sparty, I don't think he did prior.
Or maybe somebody has a hell of a spring.
Or who knows. I'll feel more when it's confirmed.
Maybe Day set us a good precedent. Ewers is still there. Did he play a snap all year? Unless he got in vs Sparty, I don't think he did prior.
Or maybe somebody has a hell of a spring.
Or who knows. I'll feel more when it's confirmed.
Great young man and a true warrior. But, it's time to move on Sean!
I guess it depends also on why the backup is in the game. If it's due to injury or inefficient play of the starter then they should play the normal playbook. If the backup is in for garbage time in a winning blowout then they probably shouldn't be passing too much.
The other issue is that if SC some back, does that slot CV as the #2 and kick Allar and Pribula down to 3 and 4? If Allar and or Pribula are the future, one or both should probably see some meaningful playing time next year. Especially if you can play 4 games and maintain a red shirt.
Seneca was definitely the starter at the beginning of 2001. Not sure when Mills took over as starter. Mills came in to win the Northwestern game the week before OSU but pretty sure Seneca started the OSU game. Then Mills came in and we stromed back to win that game and I think Mills took over as starter after that. But that's going on memory from 20 years ago.
The thing is though, I think the team would be better served with Veilleux at the helm. With Clifford starting and Alllar/Pribulea coming in, there's probably a good chance that CV portals out. As it is, I think CV is a better passer than SC anyway. If SC wants another year to show the NFL what he can do, he should probably transfer to another school.
I’m happy if he comes back. We can always not play him. There’s no option to play him if he’s not rostered. It takes up only one of 85 slots and that last guy out that he displaces probably isn’t going make as big a difference.
With 2-3 others in the mix - each being a step up from their same-string 2021 counterparts — we can allow Sean to run a little more recklessly, which seems to be required for our O to be successful.
With 2-3 others in the mix - each being a step up from their same-string 2021 counterparts — we can allow Sean to run a little more recklessly, which seems to be required for our O to be successful.
Good grief. Someone tell him the deadline to sign up for Medicare is Dec. 7.
Were it that simple. If SC comes back he is starting, is 100% my take. I just don’t see it happening otherwise.
Looks like they were back and forth. Mills actually had significantly more attempts in the opener than Senneca actually.
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What about Adrian Martinez? I swear that he's been playing since Bob Devaney
If SC has NFL dreams and thinks he is close, he absolutely should transfer. Getting the hell beat out of him again with this team isn't going to do anything for him. He has done a nice job for the most part here, but it's probably best for both parties to move on.
I am not sure that it is a given that "taking lumps" for a year (by, presumably, throwing a freshman out there as the full-time Day 1 starter) would lead to "more serious bang" down the road.
Could be just the opposite - that allowing a kid to acclimate and take on minimal responsibilities early - even an entire freshman season - might lead to greater development and long term return. We can't know that, either way, but I don't think it is a given that trial by fire (which so many NFL and College teams do with highly regarded rookie QBs - like a Sam Danold with the Jets, or Bo Nix at Auburn, as opposed to an Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay, or Kerry Collins at Penn State spending time as an understudy) is the better long-term solution. No way to know for sure, but just putting that out there.
SC isn't coming back to sit. I am certain that Franklin knows this as well and will coach accordingly,
Now whether some intervention in a struggling season happens is another issue. On one hand, I like to think that in a lost season, young guys would play. But I also can't get the thought of CV looking great (or competent) one week, then sitting the next at Michigan State. That season to see a young guy could have been this past month, still didn't happen.
Was CV hurt last weekend?
Some people just don't know when it's time to leave a party.
The larger the organization, the more difficult it becomes to control information flow.
If he doesn't sign than I am absolutely ok with Clifford being back.
+1. My fear is that Franklin does the same thing and doesn't get any of the backups any valuable playing time. Also if Clifford does come back I don't see CV, Drew or Beau all sticking.
Its a very tricky situation but Im in the "lets move forward with the younger guys camp".
He came in for an injured Senneca in the NW game and then I think Senneca came back and started the OSU game but Mills came back in with some heroics and won it and was the starter after. At least thats kind of how I remember it.
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