I’m sorry guys. I cannot see how SC coming back isn’t negative. If you have stud QB recruits coming in get them into the games. Look at the other top programs. They get stud QBs in and they’re playing and doing well as Freshmen. Now we finally get some 4 and 5 star QBs and we’re going to sit them for 2 years? C’mon. They’ll go to the portal and be gone. Get them into games and playing time ASAP.
i have mixed feelings. Granted most of our issues this year were SC injuries.........but when has he not been injured?
Couldn’t agree more.
Yep.
Your post summarizes my POV precisely.
It's my understanding he was asked to think about it and get back to the staff. He's still a young man and like anybody at that age he's assessing his next step. If he comes back, great. If not, we wish him well. Sometimes on this board we go over the line and view these kids/young men as pieces or as fictional characters in some sort of digital game. Maybe he'll want to come back, maybe not. Either way, good for him.
I understand this sentiment. On the other hand, what happens if we set the condition that the line has to be average or better and it never gets there? What if a QB who plays better can drastically help the line in both the pass and runs games by not making them be perfect all the time?
PSU, and all teams, need a QB that can excel and win games in the system and with the team mates that exist on that team.
And the starter was 2 for 8 and led 4 completely fruitless drives.
Bingo.
And looked better than a 5th year senior, he was throwing on time, on the run and stepping up in the pocket.
And we run him, he gets injured, out for a couple of crucial games...comes back injured for meat of our schedule.
If we sign Allar and Beau P and a year + with CV I’m on board that train.
Many of the QB injuries I've seen come from taking hits in the pocket, including Clifford's injury at Iowa. Having a QB refrain from running is no guarantee that the QB will remain healthy. Trace made a living off extending plays with his legs, a healthy QB who can do that will make up for deficiencies on the oline.
Nailed it.
I know we are not Alabama or OSU so please don't anyone suggest that is my point here... Young and Stroud were redshirted as true FR and as second year players were ready on day one to play at a very high level. I don't know how Allar's skill set compares to theirs, but the model AL and OSU used is the same one we should use. Allar and Pribula should be sponges beginning in January, spending as much time as possible with Yurcich learning the offense and watching tape. They should know on day one in January that their mission is to be ready to play at a high level on or about Sept 1, 2023. Let Clifford or a portal guy play next year, learn from them, and sometimes that means learning from their mistakes and weaknesses. There is absolutely no down side to this strategy.
Understand your point but no true freshman qb with half a brain would jump in the portal because they sit behind a 5th or 6th year qb for a season. I think MY should decide if he needs SC gone based on his assessment of the qb situation. And with all due respect qbs can learn a bunch watching a qb run an offense even if they are inefficient. After the game, when all the qbs sit in the film room MY will explain the good and the bad of each snap. Invaluable for a freshman.
Not sure what "no true freshman qb with half a brain would jump in the portal to sit behind a 5th or 6th year qb for a season" has to do with letting the 3 talented young QB's that PSU will have on the roster in 2022 compete to actually play if Clifford moves on. QB's that go to the portal do so to get playing time, to avoid sitting on the sidelines while someone else plays. I'm not complaining about the 3 QB's that transferred as I don't believe any of them, unfortunately, are better than Clifford. But I do believe that within the 3 young QB's PSU will have on the roster for 2022 that at least 1 of them, and possibly all of them, will become better QB's than Clifford.
Greg I just see it differently regarding SC. Frankly I'm not enamored with SC. I get that he has a low ceiling. But he may be the best option. Coaches don't play guys hoping they reach their potential, you play them because they are your best at the position. SC never played in the same offense 2 years in a row. A year 2 in MY offense should improve his efficiency. He played pretty well before the injury. No one was calling for his benching through the 1st 5 games. CV did fine against Rutgers, maybe the worst team on the schedule. But new qbs have an advantage because they haven't been scouted and scrutinized by DCs. Sure you can cherry pick Lawrence as an example of a true freshman performing at a high level but that is the exception. Most coaches would never want to start a true freshman. Now if 1 of the 2 freshman perform so well that they should leap frog SC so be it. Lastly I'll submit SC is as good as the kid from Michigan. And now Michigan is in the playoff. Michigan is a good example that a good OL with a run game can make an average qb efficient. It's rare that a qbs play makes the OL better. We have no Russell Wilson or Lamar on this squad.
Veilleux played great but remember it was one game vs Rutgers. IIRC he threw at least one pass that could have easily been intercepted.
The downside is that PSU loses most of their key contributors so they're going to have to fill the gaps with portal players and we don't have many spots available. I don't think we can afford to have Clifford take one of those spots.
1) It was Rutgres.
Ha, ha. You mean a sick Clifford who shouldn't even have started? I'm not knocking Veilleux, but c'mon, it was one game against Rutgres.
