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Under the current recruiting and coaching, do we all agree that 10-2 is the absolute ceiling?

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And more often than not, 8-4 is likely. Is that just the way it's going to be, year after year after year?

We all have to admit that taking a lead into the 4th quarter, only to see the defense absolutely shredded by mediocre QBs, is getting very, very tedious.
 
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Under present situation in the Big 10, with divisions and scheduling it's a gauntlet.

40 years a 10- 2 going into the Orange Bowl was a reward for the fans and the players with the hope of a top 10 finish in the polls. Today if you're not in the final 4 it's seems a waste of time for the fans and the players. Players sit out for selfish reasons and fans don't give a darn.
 
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DaytonBuck74

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Midnighter said:
Latest in a string of excellent college QBs at OSU who will do nothing in the pros.
It’s a system. JaMarcus Russell was a first round pick too.
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It's changed under Day. OSU used to get athletes that played QB. Pryor, Braxton Miller, and Barrett to an extent.

Day is considered a QB guru. He's getting guys like Stroud, McCord, Devin Brown. And Dylan Raiola the #1 player in the 24 class. These are pocket passers that have some level of athleticism.

We shall seem
 
Midnighter

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DaytonBuck74 said:
It's changed under Day. OSU used to get athletes that played QB. Pryor, Braxton Miller, and Barrett to an extent.

Day is considered a QB guru. He's getting guys like Stroud, McCord, Devin Brown. And Dylan Raiola the #1 player in the 24 class. These are pocket passers that have some level of athleticism.

We shall seem
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Why is he a QB guru? Wasn’t he on the staff for Barrett, Haskins, and Fields? All did or are doing nothing in the pros. I’d be surprised if Stroud breaks that trend.
 
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Agree that there's a hurdle that Franklin is struggling to overcome. Think it's a bit more complex than just a defensive collapse. Such as field position and the 4 turnovers.
Franklin seems to be recruiting "skill" players and athletes just fine, but it seems his success in recruiting blue chip linemen (or enough of them) has struggled.

Trace McSorely was very good at making something out of nothing when protection broke down. Clifford has shown flashes of that but just too many miscues to overcome. I hope Allar, from a mental standpoint is good enough to overcome deficiencies in the line play. If not it may be more of the same.
 
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10-2 is who we are but it doesn't have to stay that way. We're not as far away as some believe. We just need to get bigger up front. This is the difference between 10-2 and 11-1 or 12-0.
 
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NOVABuck45

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Midnighter said:
Why is he a QB guru? Wasn’t he on the staff for Barrett, Haskins, and Fields? All did or are doing nothing in the pros. I’d be surprised if Stroud breaks that trend.
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He was only with Barrett for his senior year, and Barrett was a prototypical Meyer QB -- run-first, dual threat type. The first Day QB was Haskins, and in his only year as a starter, he tossed 50 TDs and a 70% completion percentage. Clearly NFL scouts thought he was worth a 1st round pick, but Haskins' own immaturity got the best of him. Not his physical tools or development.

I wouldn't write off Fields yet. The Buckeyes literally have better WRs than the Chicago Bears, and Fields' OL is a disaster (to say nothing about a playcaller that doesn't seem to emphasize the pass). Way too early to write him off.
 
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1000 OaksLion

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Bkmtnittany1 said:
Stroud is a mediocre QB??? Dude may win the Heisman...he may very well be the first player taken in next years NFL draft...holy sh*t!
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Stroud has the luxury of a great OL and skill position players. Let's see how good he is versus UM. If he gets to the playoffs he definitely will be tested. Yesterday he threw from a very clean pockets like he has most of his career. Regarding Heisman hype, Baker Mayfield won the Heisman. Stroud has a great arm and is accurate. But many qbs would be much better if they were in Strouds situation. He may be the next Mahomes. But I think the NFL would want to learn how he plays under duress and against equally talented teams. Last year versus UM he was sacked 4 times and they lost. IIRC he threw 1 td pass in the 1st 3 quarters when the game was on the line. He still has some more to prove.
 
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1000 OaksLion said:
Stroud has the luxury of a great OL and skill position players. Let's see how good he is versus UM. If he gets to the playoffs he definitely will be tested. Yesterday he threw from a very clean pockets like he has most of his career. Regarding Heisman hype, Baker Mayfield won the Heisman. Stroud has a great arm and is accurate. But many qbs would be much better if they were in Strouds situation. He may be the next Mahomes. But I think the NFL would want to learn how he plays under duress and against equally talented teams. Last year versus UM he was sacked 4 times and they lost. IIRC he threw 1 td pass in the 1st 3 quarters when the game was on the line. He still has some more to prove.
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He is NOT a mediocre QB
 
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DaytonBuck74

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Midnighter said:
Why is he a QB guru? Wasn’t he on the staff for Barrett, Haskins, and Fields? All did or are doing nothing in the pros. I’d be surprised if Stroud breaks that trend.
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I think Fields is the only one he "recruited".

Look at the passing numbers that Haskins, Fields and Stroud have put up. They are insane. I think Haskins broke the B1G passing TD record in the 1 year he started.

As for NFL success, we'll never know about Haskins. Seems like there were some other issues there.

Fields was in an awful situation last year with both talent and coaching. He is starting to look much better this season.

Like I said, we'll see going forward.
 
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OhioLion said:
Saw a post here today call him a slightly-better-than-average quarterback.
If he’s slightly-better-than-average, then all but I’d guess a dozen programs would take an average quarterback. IMO it is ridiculous to call him average.

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He is called mediocre in this thread! Un-freaking-believable!
 
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Bkmtnittany1 said:
He is called mediocre in this thread! Un-freaking-believable!
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Found it in Ro’s “couch” thread.

And then true to the script, the defense is disemboweled by a mediocre-to-above-average QB.
Didn’t get the poster’s name.

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Midnighter

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DaytonBuck74 said:
I think Fields is the only one he "recruited".

Look at the passing numbers that Haskins, Fields and Stroud have put up. They are insane. I think Haskins broke the B1G passing TD record in the 1 year he started.

As for NFL success, we'll never know about Haskins. Seems like there were some other issues there.

Fields was in an awful situation last year with both talent and coaching. He is starting to look much better this season.

Like I said, we'll see going forward.
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Not denying they are excellent college QBs - they also have NFL receivers and talent everywhere to support them. They just
Haven’t done much in the NFL - going back to the Joe Germaine days.
 
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DaytonBuck74 said:
It's changed under Day. OSU used to get athletes that played QB. Pryor, Braxton Miller, and Barrett to an extent.

Day is considered a QB guru. He's getting guys like Stroud, McCord, Devin Brown. And Dylan Raiola the #1 player in the 24 class. These are pocket passers that have some level of athleticism.

We shall seem
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Day is still an unproven commodity. He’s been given a stacked cupboard full of talent, and hasn’t yet produced vs the biggest dogs. Not saying he won’t, but he seems like another of the young gadget football guru’s…win with better talent…gimmick over fundamentals. As for the QBs, I really don’t care what they do in the pros. History is full of great cfb players who fall flat in the league…doesn’t (or shouldn’t) diminish what they were able to achieve in college. To that point, tosu has been blessed with tremendous QB talent for a very long time.
 
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Player2BNamedL8r said:
Day is still an unproven commodity. He’s been given a stacked cupboard full of talent, and hasn’t yet produced vs the biggest dogs. Not saying he won’t, but he seems like another of the young gadget football guru’s…win with better talent…gimmick over fundamentals. As for the QBs, I really don’t care what they do in the pros. History is full of great cfb players who fall flat in the league…doesn’t (or shouldn’t) diminish what they were able to achieve in college. To that point, tosu has been blessed with tremendous QB talent for a very long time.
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But he was able to get his boosters to get him 13 million for payment to his players. Let us not forget that this isn’t CFB anymore
 
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No. Under current COACHING, our ceiling is 10-2 with the annual losses to OSU and MICH a given. With different coaching, I believe we could at least split these two games every year with current RECRUITING
 
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Yes probably 10-2 is our ceiling. More important is i wish CJF would stop crying about recruiting, he controls that, undersized, he controls that, development, he controls that and HAS CONTROLED all that for over 8 years! There is so much i like about CJF....but his whining about aspects he controls is a bit tiresome.
 
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BrucePa said:
And more often than not, 8-4 is likely. Is that just the way it's going to be, year after year after year?
We all have to admit that taking a lead into the 4th quarter, only to see the defense absolutely shredded by mediocre QBs, is getting very, very tedious.
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nope
 
BobPSU92

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More importantly, how low is the floor? 4-8? 3-9? 0-12? Let’s thoroughly burn the sh|t box down to the ground and hire Matt Rhule.
 
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11-1 is probably the ceiling although he hasn't achieved it.

Losing to both OSU/UM isn't what's kept it from being achieved even though they're the two games everyone is focused on. Upsets to less talented teams have: Pitt in 2016, MSU 2017, Minnesota 2019.

That's why there is progress in 10-2. It means we didn't lose any games we were favored in, which you can't say about any of Franklin's teams since he got here, or at least since the sanctions ended. Recruiting is on par/ahead of Michigan so no reason the games with them shouldn't be competitive more often than not.
 
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LionsAndBears said:
10-2 is who we are but it doesn't have to stay that way. We're not as far away as some believe. We just need to get bigger up front. This is the difference between 10-2 and 11-1 or 12-0.
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Actually were 4-6 athletes away. The problem is every team in the country is after the same players. Why can't we recruit the high 4-5 star DL/OL linemen every recruiting class? If we just got 70% of the best players from MD/VA and DC we be in business. Look at the rating, look were they are going, it's not PSU.
 
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