!!!!! USC to pursue Arkansas QB KJ Jefferson in the portal????

Big JC

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Wrong. Kj is a only potential patch. We need a longer term solution which is Sellers. Bring in the best rising freshman in the country and let him battle it out with Sellers, but no thanks to a transfer unless Sellers is on board.

Dude- you are living in the 80's. Time to move into 2023.
If a coach lets a player decide who joins the team, the coach should hang up his whistle and find a different job. If Sellers is as good as he and many here think he is, he won't have any problem with anyone Beamer brings in. The starting qb job next season does not belong exclusively to Sellers, he has to earn it and keep it. One of the reasons teams like Bama and Georgia are as good as they are is they stack talent at every position, through recruiting and the portal. Starters know they have to deliver on the field or there is a guy behind them that is as good as they are who will take playing time from them. Beamer needs to get the best talent he can at every position regardless of what the current players think.
 

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He’s a pretty solid QB. A stud? Not at all. We would be banking on him coming in and mastering a new offense in a matter of months. Maybe he could, I dunno.

Sellers has a similar skill set and already has a year in the system.

If you can get both, you get both. Win- win.

Maybe the staff is sure this won't tick off sellers. Or maybe the staff thinks sellers isn't ready.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a 5th year guy over a guy with so little experience.
 

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If a coach lets a player decide who joins the team, the coach should hang up his whistle and find a different job. If Sellers is as good as he and many here think he is, he won't have any problem with anyone Beamer brings in. The starting qb job next season does not belong exclusively to Sellers, he has to earn it and keep it. One of the reasons teams like Bama and Georgia are as good as they are is they stack talent at every position, through recruiting and the portal. Starters know they have to deliver on the field or there is a guy behind them that is as good as they are who will take playing time from them. Beamer needs to get the best talent he can at every position regardless of what the current players think.
This is a foolish argument. Of course Beamer is not going to ask for Sellers permission to bring in a player. That’s moronic. But you can bet your bottom dollar he’s reading the quarterback room and getting their feedback on how they would feel about such a move. Yes, you want the best talent possible, but Shane has made it abundantly clear that he values team chemistry above anything else. He is not going to make a move that upsets the team dynamic.

And all the folks saying things like “if he’s afraid of competition, let him transfer“ that’s equally stupid. Jefferson is a one-year Band-Aid. Sellers is the future at the position. How dumb it would be to mortgage our future for a player like Jefferson. He’s not THAT good.
 

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If you can get both, you get both. Win- win.

Maybe the staff is sure this won't tick off sellers. Or maybe the staff thinks sellers isn't ready.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a 5th year guy over a guy with so little experience.
Yeah, I indicated above that this move does make sense if you can retain both quarterbacks. I just don’t see the sense in it if there’s a risk you lose Sellers. Jefferson is a one-year fix, and it’s not like we’re bringing him in to carry us to the playoffs or something. Maybe he could lead us to six or seven wins. Then if we lose Sellers, we’re screwed in 2025 and starting over at the quarterback position.
 
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If a coach lets a player decide who joins the team, the coach should hang up his whistle and find a different job. If Sellers is as good as he and many here think he is, he won't have any problem with anyone Beamer brings in. The starting qb job next season does not belong exclusively to Sellers, he has to earn it and keep it. One of the reasons teams like Bama and Georgia are as good as they are is they stack talent at every position, through recruiting and the portal. Starters know they have to deliver on the field or there is a guy behind them that is as good as they are who will take playing time from them. Beamer needs to get the best talent he can at every position regardless of what the current players think.
Again, time to move out of the 80's. Sounds as if the coaches agree with me.
Bringing KJ in for one season is a bad idea. Maybe you can pull for KJ wherever he lands. I'll be pulling for Sellers.
 
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Everything else aside, from his perspective I can’t see what would make us an attractive option.
 

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What program equal to or better than ours is going to take a QB with no real experience in the portal?
 
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Sellers is Dondrial Penkins 2.0

you guys have lost your mind

he threw one pass against furman and had a run against Vandy in the junk time after they quit

He didn’t even play and managed to get hurt this year

you guys seriously I don’t understand the hype it’s not even fair to the kid honestly

saying you don’t want a pre season all sec qb is one of the dumbest things I have read all year
 

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Sellers is Dondrial Penkins 2.0

you guys have lost your mind

he threw one pass against furman and had a run against Vandy in the junk time after they quit

He didn’t even play and managed to get hurt this year

you guys seriously I don’t understand the hype it’s not even fair to the kid honestly

saying you don’t want a pre season all sec qb is one of the dumbest things I have read all year
You are curly 2.0.

By the way, the only similarities between Dondrial and Sellers is they are both black. My guess is that is the only reason you are comparing them.
 

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Jefferson = blue chip QB?
I’ll give him a pass for this year. Enos is a clown of Shatterfield proportions. In each of his prior two years he put up 3,300 total yards, 27/33 total tds, and 4/5 interceptions. If that’s not a blue chip QB I don’t know what is. Anyone who thinks he’s not a legit top 4 SEC QB hasn’t been paying attention.
 

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He’s a pretty solid QB. A stud? Not at all. We would be banking on him coming in and mastering a new offense in a matter of months. Maybe he could, I dunno.

Sellers has a similar skill set and already has a year in the system.
His 21/22 numbers were much better than Ratts. Enos was to KJ what Shatt was to Ratt. In those two years the guy threw for 45 TDs and 9 INTs.
 

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If you can get both, you get both. Win- win.

Maybe the staff is sure this won't tick off sellers. Or maybe the staff thinks sellers isn't ready.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a 5th year guy over a guy with so little experience.

Here is the problem with the experience argument though, isn’t everyone inexperienced until they play significant time? How on earth is Sellers supposed to magically move from inexperienced to experienced if we are constantly scared to give him the reigns to the offense? If he never does anything but play garbage minutes every season until he’s a 5th year senior because we keep bringing in transfer QB’s, wouldn’t he still be inexperienced regardless of his age?
 

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Sellers is Dondrial Penkins 2.0

you guys have lost your mind

he threw one pass against furman and had a run against Vandy in the junk time after they quit

He didn’t even play and managed to get hurt this year

you guys seriously I don’t understand the hype it’s not even fair to the kid honestly

saying you don’t want a pre season all sec qb is one of the dumbest things I have read all year

Whoa there big fella. How in one breath can you tell us we’ve lost our minds for saying Sellers will be good based on such little meaningful playing time, but in the same breath tell us he’s another Dondrial Pinkins based on that same amount of playing time? That’s illogical my friend.
 

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Here is the problem with the experience argument though, isn’t everyone inexperienced until they play significant time? How on earth is Sellers supposed to magically move from inexperienced to experienced if we are constantly scared to give him the reigns to the offense? If he never does anything but play garbage minutes every season until he’s a 5th year senior because we keep bringing in transfer QB’s, wouldn’t he still be inexperienced regardless of his age?

Absolutely.

But if we get a 5rh year starter of known capability, is that not better than a redshirt freshman who has little or no experience, and is a question mark?

There was a time (I'm old) that qb's redshirted and played their Jr year. Not much live fire experience, but plenty of time in the program. But times change.
 

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Absolutely.

But if we get a 5rh year starter of known capability, is that not better than a redshirt freshman who has little or no experience, and is a question mark?

There was a time (I'm old) that qb's redshirted and played their Jr year. Not much live fire experience, but plenty of time in the program. But times change.

I get it. My point is simply that if our logic is “we can never play an inexperienced quarterback” then there’s no point in even recruiting guys out of high school.
 
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That only heightens the necessity of Laing sure we keep Sellers in the fold long term.

That is priority 1.
If there is any truth to this, I like it. You have a FR QB thats you don't want to depend on to turn this ship around. You bring in a kid like Jefferson who could be a blue print of what we do in the future. Both big bodies with a helluva an arm. Oline will be improved and Juice is back with enough O talent around him. Let LS develop and gain some experience and in 2 years, you are in a good place. "Just wait until the year after next year."
 

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If there is any truth to this, I like it. You have a FR QB thats you don't want to depend on to turn this ship around. You bring in a kid like Jefferson who could be a blue print of what we do in the future. Both big bodies with a helluva an arm. Oline will be improved and Juice is back with enough O talent around him. Let LS develop and gain some experience and in 2 years, you are in a good place. "Just wait until the year after next year."
Why do we think the OL will be better?
 

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If, and it's a big IF, there is merit to this, then I have to think the former is the obvious answer. Staff wouldn't be bringing in a QB like Jefferson if they thought Sellers was ready.

Also, next year's schedule is brutal, with a murderer's row of current SEC West teams. Jefferson has played each one of those teams every year for the last 3 seasons.

Maybe the staff hope to bring Jefferson in, since he's basically a more experienced version of Sellers, let Sellers learn from him for a year AND get Sellers more in the mix next year, so we go into the REALLY crucial 2025 season with an experienced Sellers. If you look at it that way, and if Sellers agrees with it, it's not totally nutty.
This^^
 

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Why do we think the OL will be better?
On paper, with what we have coming in and the FRs and SOs that started this year, with the hope that we don't have another year of widespread injuries, it may be a safe bet to assume we are better than this year. Improved is the key word.
 

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Let me be sure I understand this; don't sign a highly talented, experienced qb because you might upset your true freshman qb who hasn't really done anything of consequence. Geez, no wonder Carolina is a perpetual .500 football program.