Yep. Seems like every team I root for has ****** grip on the field. USNWT and MSU football.
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This 100%. That's a great summary of the situation in that particular game, and US Soccer as a whole.
Oh 17n get over yourself. Political messages have been a part of sports literally for the entire history of organized play. Just because you find this particular messages do not align with your bigot opinions doesn't mean it is any different today than it was in 1936.
1. Jesse Owens.
2. Mohammad Ali
3. Every nationalism display whether that be saluting our men and women in the armed forces, fly overs, national anthem, etc.
4. Our own MSU basketball team travelling to play an integrated basketball game.
Those are the big ones. There are literally 1000s of micro-incidents that happen at almost every game with a camera and fans present.
Your reasoning for the women's team is correct, but not the true deciding factor. The women do not deserve a lot more money because they don't generate the funds the men's team does. Simple as that. If the women pulled in more advertisers and sold more merch, they would be paid better. Just like the WNBA. Men didn't fail the WNBA and WNT, women have.
All political, as someone else described. But as I said in the OP, politics be damned, I want the US to win at everything.
I disagree with some of the stuff Rapinoe says and the way I see it, her teammates are kinda stuck either going against her or kneeling beside their friend and teammate, so I get why they joined in. But whatever - none of that petty stuff is going to make me pull for another country over THE United States of America. 17 that.
Another reason it's stupid - does anyone pulling for the US to lose know how all the Netherlands players voted in their last election? Me either.
The U.S. dominated the second half and really should have scored another goal. The Netherlands are more skilled on the ball but that didn't really lead to more chances for them. They had possession, like Mexico used to do against the men, which made them look so much better in the first half. Nothing wrong with letting other teams kick the ball around leading to nothing. Horan going after her Dutch friend after a hard tackle and then scoring the header was great. Good to see some toughness from the gals. We had only one sub and could have used some fresh legs because the Dutch were tiring. It's starting to look like the women's game has more than a couple of teams good enough to win a world cup. I like Europe and European football. I also like watching U.S. national teams beat European teams in soccer.
Absolutely, I loved Horan getting fired up then scoring immediately after. That woke the team up. Need that fire from the start in every match from here on out.
I didn't stay up for last night's game (0-0 tie with Portugal), but I watched some highlights and read some recaps. Unfortunately, I think the US is in trouble and are lucky to even be going to the round of 16.
Sweden is going to be tough.
Sweden is going to be tough.
I knew this would be a tough game. Portugal played England to a 0-0 draw a few months ago and only lost to Netherlands 1-0 in group stage. Sweden is going to kill this team. US has been lazy developing talent and has let NWSL become a 2nd rate league. Payday is coming Sunday morning. The coach will be the scapegoat, but the problems go a lot deeper than the head coach.
The reality is that the US women will never win another World Cup, ever. Anyone that disagrees hasn’t been paying attention.
Only way they'll have a chance is if their they adopt the Brazil men's approach. All of their players play in Europe. Of course, Brazil men haven't won a World Cup in 21 years themselves (or even finished in the top 3).
I stayed up to watch the game, and I wasted my time. I have been a fan since Brandi Chastain ripped off her shirt in 1999. It's too bad they know how to make commercials, but don't know how to play with each other on the field. Not even the Nike Superhero Megan Rapinoe could save them last night. Nike's commercial was so cringe. Their play was simply awful. Something significant may be attributed to their shoes being worse than just crappy. They fell many times last night and they looked like they were running on ice instead of grass. You would have thought they would have tested those shoes on the surfaces they would be playing on in Australia.
They will get trounced by Sweden. The Younger players are not performing at all. I can't believe this is supposed to be on the same level as the national team I watched play in the previous World Cups. I think I was equal pay has put them in a position where they are trying too hard to prove something instead of just playing their usual game.
They will get trounced by Sweden. The Younger players are not performing at all. I can't believe this is supposed to be on the same level as the national team I watched play in the previous World Cups. I think I was equal pay has put them in a position where they are trying too hard to prove something instead of just playing their usual game.
No real leadership. I think it was you who said it last week - we seem to be missing a generation between the youngsters (Smith, Rodman) and the oldsters (Alex, Ertz, Blue hair).
Alex should be the leader given age, experience, etc., but that's not her personality at all, and she's not clever enough with the ball to be a leader by example any longer. Ertz is vocal but is stuck back in defense. Horan wants to be it, and probably is leader by default now, but she's a heavy midfielder and doesn't impact the game as much as others. The one who could be that leader is/was probably Lavelle, but now she's out for the next game. I think the run is over.
Read an article recently that the talent is here, but if you are not politically/socially aligned you have a very small shot of making the cut.
Coming into this, I was rooting for two teams: US and Colombia (because of Catalina Perez being GK at State)...
If you told me one of those teams was going to win their group and easily cruise into the round of 16 and the other one would be lucky to squeeze through in second place, I would have believed you. I just wouldn't have believed which one.
Yes, I know technically Colombia hasn't made it through or won their group yet, but they have to royally screw up against Morocco to miss out and they've looked a helluva lot better than the USWNT.
If you told me one of those teams was going to win their group and easily cruise into the round of 16 and the other one would be lucky to squeeze through in second place, I would have believed you. I just wouldn't have believed which one.
Yes, I know technically Colombia hasn't made it through or won their group yet, but they have to royally screw up against Morocco to miss out and they've looked a helluva lot better than the USWNT.
The talent isn't there. The women's youth development is a shambles. Last 2 U20 World Cup teams didn't even make it out of group stage.
Too much money not to mention coaches jobs on the line to let political views get in the way. I call shenanigans
We're just no longer more talented than everyone else. For years, because the U.S. stressed girls and women's sports and provided quite a bit of financial support, we were way ahead of others. Soccer was still an expensive and luxury sport which is why those early WC winning teams were chock full of middle and upper-middle class white gals (soccer moms were important). There wasn't much diversity. Now that more gals are playing, we have talented non-white players, some of whom are better than ones who started on world cup winners. But, the western world and rich Asian world also invests in women's sports. It's not that the rest of the world has caught up. It hasn't. But the wealthier countries in the world, places where women have for the most part similar rights as men, now have good women's teams. But, unlike in men's soccer, some of the poorer parts of the world still have crap teams. Men's soccer has guys from the barrio. Gals from the barrio are still getting knocked up early in life so places with lots of barrios don't have good women's teams.
That might be the most confusing explanation I've ever heard in my life for why our soccer team has gotten worse. our problems with class and race are the reasons why other countries have more talent in soccer.
SMH
I don't know about the current composition of this team, but prior teams had some pretty unlikeable, pretty vocal players. Rapinoe (sp?) was probably responsible for the vast majority of it. Just whiny and entitled and bitter. Not sure anybody else would have even registered as unlikeable if the whole team image hadn't sort of been tainted by her among "fans" that only have a passing familiarity with the team. To a lesser extent, the complaining about equal pay when it was reported that they were paid a higher percentage of revenues than the men and also got additional perks like guaranteed pay and healthcare that the men didn't get also probably annoyed some people, but I'm not sure many people pay attention enough to even be aware of that.
"our problems with class and race are the reasons why other countries have more talent in soccer." I didn't even remotely say that. I actually implied the opposite of that. I said richer countries invest in women's sports now, and have been for a while, so they've caught up and in some cases have surpassed us. We were ahead of everyone else not long ago. Even though we actually have a larger pool of players available, non-whites in particular although they're still largely from better off families, it doesn't matter. Those men's teams from S. America have poor boys playing soccer at an early age. S. American men's teams are good. Those S. American women's teams, with the exception of a couple of them, aren't all that impressive. I didn't say our soccer team has gotten worse either and I actually wrote that some players are better. Other countries, well rich democracies in particular, have just decided to support women's sports more. Women's soccer is a lot more competitive now but it's still behind the degree of competition you see in the men's game because poverty isn't as big of an issue for men. Race and class are actually bigger problems in other countries. The countries with the highest emigration rates where life sucks for people, especially poor, non-white women, aren't the ones doing well in women's soccer. Only Brazil and Columbia rank in the top 25 in women's soccer.
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I read it differently. I see that now through my sleepy eyes. It still confuses me that they supposed to be one of the more talented teams, but they aren't playing like they are. They are getting shown up by other teams that are supposedly much less talented than they are. In the first half last night it looked like they had never played with the other before the opening whistle of that game.
On the bright side, now men who identify as women can choose to become equally as pregnant as those in the barrios that really do get knocked uphave the same excuses, and yet still be a man!!!
“Whaaaat a couuuuntry!!” #YakovSmirnoff
I digress, but we were the first country to even consider investing in women’s soccer due to Title IX. We won it all a couple of years, while other countries with more support and better coaching woke up. Now, we’ll probably never win it again….
During all of this, Ron Cholk was typing pointed letters to the NCAA while we had 2 of the best college baseball teams ever assembled not win one 17ing natty….
I think we'll win it again. Few teams repeat at WC champs. It's just gonna be harder now. And we're letting this coach off lightly. He hasn't impressed and should have used a couple of subs against the Netherlands when their defenders had tired legs.
Underwhelming and seem to be more interested in off the field activities versus on the field. Sweden by 2.
DS, I think you'd save a lot of threads from turning political if there was a dislike button.
It would allow people (like me) in certain instances to just hit the thumbs down and move on with their lives without starting another circle jerk.
It would allow people (like me) in certain instances to just hit the thumbs down and move on with their lives without starting another circle jerk.
You have to follow the trail all the way down to the ground level and to ODP camps. I have seen coaches advise players not to even attend anymore due to the bs that goes on. Visit a regional ODP camp and watch when the top 20 cut happens and you'll ask yourself how in the Hell did so and so make it. Some states/clubs have a lot of pull which leaves a great deal of talent out or switching to other sports.
Haha US goes home. Embarrassing
Wow. Sweden wins on a VR overturned penalty kick. The US goalkeeper appeared to make the save then swatted it out of the air. Initially called a save then overturned.
US could have ended it before that though. It shouldn’t have come down to that kick. Rapinoe, Sophia Smith, and Kelly O’Hara all missed their PK’s.
US could have ended it before that though. It shouldn’t have come down to that kick. Rapinoe, Sophia Smith, and Kelly O’Hara all missed their PK’s.
I’m so glad that Rapinoe’s final kick for the USWNT was a missed penalty that helped send them home.
Andonovski should never coach another game. Horrible decision maker. Rodman was the biggest threat early in the game and he subbed her. Smith first touch was bad and prevented her from being a threat at all most of the evening. Rapino had no business being on this team much less on the pitch. He played politics, and at this level and he got burned in the end.
Glad I did not get up at 4 o'clock. I turned on just in time to see them give the game to Sweden.
Over 230 minutes without scoring a goal.
They got their commercial money.
Over 230 minutes without scoring a goal.
They got their commercial money.
To be fair, that Swedish GK had the game of her life. She was easily the player of the game. This was the best game the US played all tournament, but she shut them down.
Paid like the men. Played like the men.