Good point. Allar has two more years.....good or bad. If it's good, he's NFL bound. If it's bad, he'll look for a fresh start. That gives Bo the promise of 2 years at the helm (assuming he's very good and doesn't get recruited over).
Veilleux to Pitt
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Why are we married to rankings? The crap goes out the window when you step into the training facility. Even before that, I hear that the coaches make their own evaluations.....crazy I know. Imagine that. A division one staff having insight greater than a commercial recruiting service run by whatever their backgrounds are.
Do you listen to any of these programs on Youtube or streaming.....these guys talk alot and tell you nothing.
While ratings overall are important.....it's not like there aren't enough exceptions to consider. Look at any NFL roster. How did so many of those guys develop under the radar?
Jurkevic played for 2 seasons at ND, then 3 seasons at BC. He has thrown about 700 passes in his career.
CV barely played at all in 2 years, and has thrown 35 passes in his career. What makes you think CV is better than Jurkevic?
He didn't tweet out his offers and I went through about 5 articles and none mention it.
From attached article:
“Those are tough conversations and tough decisions that have to be made,” Franklin said. “You look at some players that may play as a true freshman and play well, and another guy redshirts and is in the same class, and then you look three years down the road, and the guy that redshirted ends up having what people would describe as maybe a better career.”
With Drew Allar’s emergence, tough decisions loom for Christian Veilleux at season’s end
Penn State was deadlocked at zero when Sean Clifford went down with an Illness right before halftime. Replacing Clifford was true freshman Christian Veilleux, who torched the Scarlet Knight secondary. Veilleux finished the game 15-24, throwing for 235 yards and…
www.commmedia.psu.edu
Interesting read and Scruggs talking about Allar's development....
‘I was astounded’: Penn State teammates impressed with Drew Allar’s development
With the Rose Bowl being Sean Clifford's last game, Drew Allar's time to shine is nearly here.
www.pennlive.com
He's not getting a chance! How can fans decide if he's the best?Put Jaxon in the game!
The BWICAC has determined that if Franklin didn't play him.....he is therefor the best.
The best thing about the BWICAC, of which I am a proud card carrying member, is you don't have to pay us $8mm a year to say or do something stupid (it's free!).
Is there a portal that we can enter to see if we can get NIL deals on other boards?
Hope he does well and starts I might actually pay attention to them since we no longer play each other.
ok I made the free drink joke and then I pointed out that (in my opinion) people were making fun of Pitt and not Veilleux, which is what I intended with my original post
so for the record I hope that Christian has a great career going forward and lives a successful and happy life, I really don't understand hating on kids who leave PSU unless they trash the place or their teammates on the way out
so for the record I hope that Christian has a great career going forward and lives a successful and happy life, I really don't understand hating on kids who leave PSU unless they trash the place or their teammates on the way out
It sounds like CV decided to stay as close to State College as possible. If that was indeed a priority, his choices were limited.
I agree that predicting individual performance over a set period of time, to some degree, goes out the window when these guys step on the field. However, likelihood of overall team wins when you recruit the bulk of your guys (year after year) from the top 100 players has been demonstrated to be pretty accurate over the past decade plus. So it does matter and people are right to put stock in it.
"While rankings overall are important, it's not like there aren't enough exceptions to consider."
There’s a reason the same 4-5 teams always make the playoffs and it isn’t just coaching. They have the highest level talent on their rosters through recruiting.
247Sports unveils its 2022 Blue-Chip Ratio, Oregon included among top teams - Saturday Out West
Oregon has a roster fit to contend for a national championship, according to 247Sports' Bud Elliott.
saturdayoutwest.com
So you wouldn't offer Aaron Donald a scholarship? He was only a 3 star.There’s a reason the same 4-5 teams always make the playoffs and it isn’t just coaching. They have the highest level talent on their rosters through recruiting.
247Sports unveils its 2022 Blue-Chip Ratio, Oregon included among top teams - Saturday Out West
Oregon has a roster fit to contend for a national championship, according to 247Sports' Bud Elliott.
That’s not the point. The point is the teams that make the playoff and ultimately win the NC have the highest rated recruits. That’s not a coincidence. Aaron Donald is a phenomenal player, but Pitt didn’t win **** with him there.
PSU had a bunch of 3 stars during the sanction years. Look back at the records of those teams. So does coaching matter or is it the players?
I suspect the coaches should get the credit when the players win and the players should get the blame when the team loses?
Never apologize to the pitchfork-wielding uber-sensitive effeminates (@Tgar et al)who insist on suffocating this board with their erroneous “outraged” interpretations of posts.
They’re irredeemable and thus unworthy of anything other than ridicule.
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The sanctions created a number of issues including lack of depth. Ratings are important, but there are many exceptions. Who is the QB of national champion and current #1 Georgia? Ranked #166 QB in the nation. Oops.
The kid should have won the Heisman too.
He does have an excellent OL, a slew of very good RBs, and the best TE room in CFB. WRs are decent, but no OSU 1st rd types.
The defense ain't bad either. I think Kirby took Nick's mojo for now.
It would be a lot easier if Franklin would just chase ratings. Why watch all those videos, travel to high school games, talk to high school coaches, talk to the kids, meet parents, etc.? Just pick a recruiting service and see who is at the top of the list by position. Easy peasy.
Georgia recruited 9 five stars in 2018, 5 five stars in 2019, and 5 five stars in 2020. All three years they led the nation with 5 star recruits. It's not an exception that they are now the best team in the nation. That's not chasing ratings.
He certainly is surrounded by elite talent. But, we can't dismiss that he bested more highly rated QBs to win the job. Ratings are generally reliable. The point is that there are super stars that have fallen through the cracks. Lamar Jackson, Russel Wilson and Patrick Mahomes were 3 star recruits. Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers had no P5 offers. You have to be a fool to turn your nose up at a 3 star recruit that the coaches (not like they know anything about football) have decided are worthy of a scholarship offer.
Also there are more than a few prospects that are very good but should never have been 5 stars.
Fleming, Shorter. Slade etc
Exactly, just do what the recruiting services tell you to do. Why travel or look at film? LOL
The NFL is a mess too......all those 3 stars. Someone should tell them. 40% of players drafted past 5 years have been 3 stars.
That is a key thing as well. When 19 kids on your roster are that high end, if only 1 out of 3 live up to it, you still have 6 5* kids that very few others have making a difference.
It’s not mutually exclusive. The ratings follow the talent. Is it 100% accurate all the time? No. But, nothing is. There are outliers on both sides. UGA is loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits. That’s why they are dominating right now. A team full of 3 stars coached by Saban wouldn’t beat UGA right now. Heck, a team of blue chip recruits coached by Saban can’t beat UGA right now. That’s where the credit goes to Kirby. However, you can’t ignore the talent on certain teams. A wise coach once said, “It’s the Jimmies and Joes, not the Xs and Os.”
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