Wall Street Journal publishes list of 500 Best U.S. Colleges. Penn State ranks....

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What's the basis for the rankings? If it's tuition prices I understand why.
 
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How do you fall 126 places in one year? It must be largely based on perceptions of cost. Not much changes in one year. I don’t think buildings were swallowed up by the earth.
 

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You're either getting better or you're getting worse, but you're not staying the same

Some guy used to say that a lot
Somebody with more ambition than I should compare rankings late 70s mid 80s prime Joe to today. It shouldn’t mean anything but it does. Maybe he was the top guy at the University after all?

I love Franklin. The rest of the school…..meh.
 
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at this point the young people I talk to I tell them stay local, incure small debt, let your employer pay for your masters
withess:
Del State
In-state tuition 8,358 USD, Out-of-state tuition 18,280 USD
Blue Hens
In-state tuition 15,410 USD, Out-of-state tuition 37,930 USD
 
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Oh My God What GIF by This Might Get
 

laKavosiey-st lion

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at this point the young people I talk to I tell them stay local, incure small debt, let your employer pay for your masters
withess:
Del State
In-state tuition 8,358 USD, Out-of-state tuition 18,280 USD
Blue Hens
In-state tuition 15,410 USD, Out-of-state tuition 37,930 USD
 

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There’s a big difference in those rankings and the U S News and World Report Rankings for 2024. Take it for what it’s worth. I know many of you will only believe whatever makes PSU look the worst.


One difference I think is this list does not separate by highest degree offered or size. So, a lot of smaller schools eating PSU’s lunch.
 
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at this point the young people I talk to I tell them stay local, incure small debt, let your employer pay for your masters
withess:
Del State
In-state tuition 8,358 USD, Out-of-state tuition 18,280 USD
Blue Hens
In-state tuition 15,410 USD, Out-of-state tuition 37,930 USD
Those are purely tuition numbers. It doesn’t include room and board, etc. When you add those costs in, U of D is approximately $36,000 for in state students and $60k + for out of state students. We just went through this process, as did a few friends of ours. U of D is very expensive for out of state students. I had a coworker whose daughter wanted to go there, but went to Tennessee instead because of the cost and Delaware’s inability to provide additional financial aid. We also had a family friend whose daughter really liked U of D and she went to PSU instead due to cost.

 
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Just reading the list. PSU does better when compared to big, national universities who offer PhD’s and are big on research. I went to PSU when it was ranked around 44 nationally. This is sad by any measure.
So, isn’t PSU a big, national university with research interests? Who do you propose they be compared to? It’s ranked 60 in that category and 28 in top public schools, right? What am I missing?
 

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Those are purely tuition numbers. It doesn’t include room and board, etc. When you add those costs in, U of D is approximately $36,000 for in state students and $60k + for out of state students. We just went through this process, as did a few friends of ours. U of D is very expensive for out of state students. I had a coworker whose daughter wanted to go there, but went to Tennessee instead because of the cost and Delaware’s inability to provide additional financial aid. We also had a family friend whose daughter really liked U of D and she went to PSU instead due to cost.
And Del state?
 

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So, isn’t PSU a big, national university with research interests? Who do you propose they be compared to? It’s ranked 60 in that category and 28 in top public schools, right? What am I missing?

No, I am agreeing with you. The USNWR list is one with PSU against similar size schools that offer similar degree levels. The WSJ list is ‘all inclusive’.
 
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No, I am agreeing with you. The USNWR list is one with PSU against similar size schools that offer similar degree levels. The WSJ list is ‘all inclusive’.
We could all pick and choose which rankings we find most relevant. However, most of this isn’t worth anyone getting their knickers in a bunch over. The OP seems to be on an antiPSU rant this evening. Somehow he has an issue with a multimillion dollar donation also.
 
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I have four kids. PSU isn’t in their top 5. Kids are smart when it comes to studying what they want without paying ridiculous fees.
 

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Just reading the list. PSU does better when compared to big, national universities who offer PhD’s and are big on research. I went to PSU when it was ranked around 44 nationally. This is sad by any measure.
The WSJ rankings are from an undergrad perspective. If a large university is prioritizing research at the expense of undergraduate education, there are probably better choices for someone to spend the first four years.
 

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Penn State is Skyrizi. “Nothing is everythi-i-ing! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh!”
 

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I have four kids. PSU isn’t in their top 5. Kids are smart when it comes to studying what they want without paying ridiculous fees.
Bottom line is, kids have to pick the path that’s best for them individually both academically and financially. And that’s ok. That’s how it is supposed to work. It’s not a pissing contest.
 

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I showed 8k
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Bottom line is, kids have to pick the path that’s best for them individually both academically and financially. And that’s ok. That’s how it is supposed to work. It’s not a pissing contest.
All well and good but I’m a PSU grad and my wife asks what are the kids getting for 60k other than a great party scene? My kids aren’t stupid - they hear these discussions and figure out other options beside my alma mater.
 

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All well and good but I’m a PSU grad and my wife asks what are the kids getting for 60k other than a great party scene? My kids aren’t stupid - they hear these discussions and figure out other options beside my alma mater.
That’s great. Good for them. Let them forge their own path. Good luck.
 

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Perhaps some of you guys should start to consider donating to Barry's fund for transparency. The school is in serious trouble and the only thing the board has done recently is spend more in secrecy and change the bylaws to tighten the hatches.
 
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There’s a big difference in those rankings and the U S News and World Report Rankings for 2024. Take it for what it’s worth. I know many of you will only believe whatever makes PSU look the worst.


Well, we’ve been told here repeatedly over the years how worthless the US News rankings were. Now we’re promoting them to try and get past poor rankings from elsewhere? ;)

PSU is ranked behind Nebraska on that list. If that doesn’t shake Old Main to the core to address the fall in ranking over the years, nothing will.
 
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Who said they were worthless? The usual Debbie Downers?
 

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True. My daughter is freshmen in schreyers. Not that much given.
It's now $5,000 per year, so it's a nice bag. Maybe not compared to out-of-state, but nice anyway. I had two go through (in-state; 2017 and 2022) and they got about $4k per year from Schreyer.
 
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Nope. Just the opposite actually.
 
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