Intentionally put 12 men on the field to kill time, knowing he'd take the 5 yards and time run off as a good trade off.
Dan Lanning Did it On Purpose
Dan Lanning Did it On Purpose
I honestly wish that every time Ole Miss gets a first down in our game, whoever was going to sub out anyway is instructed to fall to the ground in dramatic fashion. Instead of the turnover chain, we could have a large gold chain with a fake Emmy Award on it and hand it out each time to the best performer.Definitely more ethical gamesmanship than faking an injury.
with a fake Emmy Award
Unethical. Same as faking an injury. Both take advantage of a rule loophole. Both are a b*tch move.Intentionally put 12 men on the field to kill time, knowing he'd take the 5 yards and time run off as a good trade off.
Dan Lanning Did it On Purpose
Is it a ***** move to foul at the end of a basketball game to stop the clock?Unethical. Same as faking an injury. Both take advantage of a rule loophole. Both are a b*tch move.
No. That's part of the game, expected, and well established. The other team is usually shooting free throws, and can much more easily make you pay for it. Different game entirely. Apples to oranges.Is it a ***** move to foul at the end of a basketball game to stop the clock?
The losing team is the one fouling. And the fouled team gets rewarded with free throws.Is it a ***** move to foul at the end of a basketball game to stop the clock?
I’m all for this but only when we get down 3 scores. Might get to do it before the half.I honestly wish that every time Ole Miss gets a first down in our game, whoever was going to sub out anyway is instructed to fall to the ground in dramatic fashion. Instead of the turnover chain, we could have a large gold chain with a fake Emmy Award on it and hand it out each time to the best performer.
But... somebody had to be the first person to employ that strategy. It only becomes well established after somebody starts doing it and others catch on.No. That's part of the game, expected, and well established. The other team is usually shooting free throws, and can much more easily make you pay for it. Different game entirely. Apples to oranges.
So if what Oregon did is replicated enough for it to be "part of the game, expected, and well established," it will no longer be a ***** move?No. That's part of the game, expected, and well established. The other team is usually shooting free throws, and can much more easily make you pay for it. Different game entirely. Apples to oranges.
What about fouling up three at the end of a basketball game?The losing team is the one fouling. And the fouled team gets rewarded with free throws.
I ask again though - what keeps him from running his entire roster into the field on that play?
Exactly. Either this will be replicated and become common, or the rules committee will legislate it away. Either way, Oregon didn't do anything wrong this past Saturday.But... somebody had to be the first person to employ that strategy. It only becomes well established after somebody starts doing it and others catch on.
Not if it’s an effort to get the ball. That’s why there are different penalties for a flagrant foul.Is it a ***** move to foul at the end of a basketball game to stop the clock?
Unethical. Same as faking an injury. Both take advantage of a rule loophole. Both are a b*tch move.
I don’t have an issue with that. The clock stops and the fouled team still gets free throws. And as noted if it were an issue they would have changed the rule by now. It’s been going on forever. Everyone agrees it’s fine. No one agrees what Oregon did is fine.What about fouling up three at the end of a basketball game?
Don’t see how it’d be unsportsmanlike at all. No different than intentionally taking delay of game to get more room to punt. Putting 12 out there intentionally was smart because it looks accidental so maybe the opposing coach doesn’t think too much about just taking the penalty, and if somehow refs don’t notice you get an advantage. You put 85 out there, its obvious to the opposing coach that you’re doing it on purpose for some reason, and they just decline the penalty.Surely if it’s intentional it’s an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Otherwise what keeps him from putting all 85 guys out there. I think that’s probably why he was kind of coy in his admission.
Also Terry Mcauley said this was a dead ball penalty a few years ago and they changed the rule
But in this example Ohio State can’t undo the advantage Oregon gained by declining the penalty. The time ran off. That was the point of it. If you run 85 guys out there, the time runs off the clock whether you take the penalty or not It’s why Terry Mcauley said it was a huge mistake when CFB changed the rule to make it a live ball foul.Don’t see how it’d be unsportsmanlike at all. No different than intentionally taking delay of game to get more room to punt. Putting 12 out there intentionally was smart because it looks accidental so maybe the opposing coach doesn’t think too much about just taking the penalty, and if somehow refs don’t notice you get an advantage. You put 85 out there, its obvious to the opposing coach that you’re doing it on purpose for some reason, and they just decline the penalty.
In the Eagles-Falcons game a few weeks ago there was a similar situation. Eagles had 3rd and 1 deep in Falcons territory, with the clock stopped, in a game where they were up by 3. Time running down. In other words, with the tush push, they had an automatic first down and therefore they automatically had at least 5 more plays to run clock. Atlanta coaches realize this, and so they instructed the DL to intentionally jump into neutral zone and just give them the 1st down, so there’s one less play they can run. But they were too brazen with it. Eagles coach realized why they did it, and declined the penalty. They were smart enough to do that, yet dumb enough to throw pass on 3rd and short a few plays later that was dropped, forcing them to kick a FG, and then Cousins took ATL the length of the field in less than a minute for the winning TD.
The point and only point of the rules are to make for fair play or to help ensure safety. Finding a loophole to circumvent that is unethical. It's unethical in any rule set in life, business, relationships, anywhere. The fact that no set of rules can anticipate any and every machination of every shady MF out there requires that people under those rules operate with a set of ethical standards that includes adherence to the intent and spirit of the rule set. And, of course, there are always shady b*tches who will violate that.So if what Oregon did is replicated enough for it to be "part of the game, expected, and well established," it will no longer be a ***** move?
It's not on Oregon to not do everything within the rules to win the game. If they found a loophole, it's on the rules committee to change the rules.
Are there other examples of coaches not doing something within the rules to try to win the game?
Other team can always decline the distance penalty.Don’t see how it’d be unsportsmanlike at all. No different than intentionally taking delay of game to get more room to punt. Putting 12 out there intentionally was smart because it looks accidental so maybe the opposing coach doesn’t think too much about just taking the penalty, and if somehow refs don’t notice you get an advantage. You put 85 out there, its obvious to the opposing coach that you’re doing it on purpose for some reason, and they just decline the penalty.
In the Eagles-Falcons game a few weeks ago there was a similar situation. Eagles had 3rd and 1 deep in Falcons territory, with the clock stopped, in a game where they were up by 3. Time running down. In other words, with the tush push, they had an automatic first down and therefore they automatically had at least 5 more plays to run clock. Atlanta coaches realize this, and so they instructed the DL to intentionally jump into neutral zone and just give them the 1st down, so there’s one less play they can run. But they were too brazen with it. Eagles coach realized why they did it, and declined the penalty. They were smart enough to do that, yet dumb enough to throw pass on 3rd and short a few plays later that was dropped, forcing them to kick a FG, and then Cousins took ATL the length of the field in less than a minute for the winning TD.
You said, "Apples to oranges," when asked about the difference between intentionally fouling in basketball to stop the clock and intentionally committing a penalty in football to waste time.Well, then just intentionally break the QB and RB's leg, and take the foul. No problem. Just taking advantage of the rules. We took our penalty!