Croom and Arnett were both worse than this…
Us old farts were spoiled by Mullen…
We all, me included, just need to chill.
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Us old farts were spoiled by Mullen…
We are done. Welcome back to the Felker years, if not worse. We can not compete with what college football has become.
Do you not get that we have what we got because of NIL/portal or the lack thereof? You can't think of this in a vacuum.
Well in 88, we lost to 6-5 Memphis and Tulane teams. So maybe that's as bad as tonight. We did score 30+ pts on Bama and UGA in losses .
I bet we don't score 30+ in any sec game this year. I think this year is worse so far.
I bet we don't score 30+ in any sec game this year. I think this year is worse so far.
Signed,
Guy who thinks Larry Templeton was good for MSU.
I'm not willing to be 1948-1991 MSU again.
Maybe you are.
% sacks and 66 yards rushing vs a mac team is unacceptabe.
Lebby should be on notice, and the Selmon, and the Keenum.
So what are you going to do genius? Fire Lebby? That would be 4 coaches in less than four years. That would be absolute insanity.
To be fair, Leach dying after Cohen ****** us by leaving for Auburn, is how we ended up with Arnett. Arnett wasn't ready but without an AD , we had no time to try to save the signing class. maybe in retrospect we hire an AD, then a coach and let the class go last year. But that's hard to decide at the time.
What could go wrong? We suck and only score 17 points on a bad MAC team?
Or we get sacked 5 times on a bad MAc team?
Maybe we suck and allows 245 rushing yard to an average Big12 running back?
Seriously. I'm telling him that he was hired to average 35 PPG.
Period.
Best get his happy asss coaching for that.
Lol, three games in and it's all his fault. You are SUCH an old school MSU person.
WSU beat the team that played for the national Champ game today....
Not sure how that "Mutli Year rebuild" means...
LOL you want LT to choose Bobby Wallace again?
You think there are not arrogant Sons of bitches that think they can do it? U=You have not met many coaches then....
Yeah we need to get ride of the old **** that thinks this is an acceptable outcome.
It would definitely include those who insert absolutely bogus opinions in others mouths. And I mean get RID of such. You can ride yourself
Cowboy.
Any coach worth anything would show some microcosm of improvement in our performance. I'll hang up and listen for our improvement between now and the end of the season. You do have to give the man this season, but you also have something somewhere in your team to look forward to.
I didn’t say fire the guy. He’s getting two years at absolute minimum. More likely at least 3. And I’m not ready to write the guy off, even if it would do any good.
Neither am I making excuses for him. This team so far is PUTRID, as Hadad would say. Expectations were as low as they’ve been in many years, and he has managed to fall woefully short of even that. It sucks.
Our issues cannot be solely be the fault of NIL. If NIL was the only factor, we should have a top 50 team at least. We’ve consistently recruited in the top 40, anyway, and usually better than that. (Not taking the time to look this up). Right now as a team we don’t look like we crack the top 100. So whether it’s poor evaluation, poor development, poor scheme, poor preparation, poor motivation, or every bit of it- we have major issues beyond just NIL.
NIL is one reason we can’t expect to compete with Alabama and Georgia right now. It’s not a reason we can’t compete with Arizona State and freaking Toledo.
Apparently, we don't have MAC talent either.
We are complete and utter dog.Couldn't agree more. My main point is we've been here before under the old structure and been able to "blue collar" our way out. Under the new model I don't think that's possible but I could be wrong. Now, if we landed some big swinging D coach who is more a recruiter and plug and play guy then we could turn it around quick with this model but since when have we ever landed that type of coach....ever!
Maybe we should poor all our money into landing a "personality" coach but I don't see top players coming without having their hands out.
We deserve the system we have. The playoffs will be great and the blue bloods will get better so it will be top notch football for them but the middle class of college football is going to continue to suffer. I'd bet that you may see some programs shut down or break away at some point.
Not in the day of plug and play new players/team. If a coach doesn't show improvement in 2 they gone because what can they do in year 3 of buying a team that they couldn't do in year 1 and two of buying it?
He has been gone from WSU for 5 years now. That team "that played for the national Champ game" was quarterbacked by Will Rogers yesterday.
Although I agree with sentiments of NIL. Do we really think Toledo is out spending mad cash on players ? No. We were out coached. Our team looks weak, soft and ill prepared. Strength and conditioning is terrible and our D cant tackle. Too many dumb penalties. We’re talking fundamental football that has nothing to do with NIL money. Getting manhandled by a MAC team ? Just disgusting.
I think it is safe to say we spend more on NIL than Toledo. However watching that game in person, their DL was as large as our OL and absolutely whipped our OL when they had to.
Also, so many plays but one in particular, Toledo threw a pass out wide to the RB. 15 closed and was there to make the tackle. Toledos RB ran through our guy to turn a negative play into 10 yard gain. That play was all about the Toledo RB being stronger.
But with all that said, I don't think our coaching is worth a damn either.
Also, so many plays but one in particular, Toledo threw a pass out wide to the RB. 15 closed and was there to make the tackle. Toledos RB ran through our guy to turn a negative play into 10 yard gain. That play was all about the Toledo RB being stronger.
But with all that said, I don't think our coaching is worth a damn either.
1991?? You act like all of Sherrill’s tenure and the Croom years were our glory days??
I was a student at State in 93-95 and remember those crappy seasons. Croom was even worse. We were spoiled by Mullen and are now facing a multi-year rebuild thanks to Leach‘s niche system.
Well, Leach left WSU at the end of the 2019 season. It”s now 2024. Do I need to do the math for you? 2019 - 2024 = MULTIPLE YEARS
The real damage to the program is done when you stick with something you know isn't the answer. IDGAF what other people think about the program.
Exactly. Doesn't matter what's happened in the past. If you've got a bad coach, it's never going to get any better by keeping him around longer. It just keeps getting worse.
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