In the age of the portal, is that acceptable, especially considering how Deion was able to overhaul his first D-1 team at Colorado?
We are less talented this year
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Did you see what happened to Deion’s team today? They actually played a decent team and got obliterated. The overhaul wasn’t quite what it seemed.
We’re pretty talented at QB, WR, and TE. I think there is talent defensively, but these guys didn’t look well coached tonight. We’ve seen these guys play good football, and tonight they got torched.
We are a middling program, comparable to the other middling programs.
We are going to have to be patient. Do not expect much from this team this year. I'm shocked that we played the defending national champ, Georgia, off their feet at their place last week. In fact, thus far, the only losses have been to what will be 2 Top 15 teams.
We have scholarships to offer in this class, as we have only 15 commitments. Yet, of those 15, all but 2 of them are rated a 4 star by at least one of the four recruiting services. I like the direction of the program under Beamer.
We have scholarships to offer in this class, as we have only 15 commitments. Yet, of those 15, all but 2 of them are rated a 4 star by at least one of the four recruiting services. I like the direction of the program under Beamer.
Our best talent other than QB has shifted to the Freshman and Sophomore classes. We lost a lot last year to the NFL and to the portal. Our staff has recruited very well but they only have 2 legitimate classes under their belt. We have had some good portal hits but with the NIL its tougher to compete.
Not a lot of DL options in the portal, we got Tuazama and he was best available. Had to defend against a strong late push to bring him in.
The OL appears to be coming together. Rattler had some time last night. Running game will likely struggle but gives us chance.
Our DL and LB's appear to be coming together also. Really worried about our DB's and safeties. Cornerbacks were consistently beat last night and our safeties were out of position, including N.E. maybe it was by design not to have safety help. With young corners, safety help is a must.
Our DL and LB's appear to be coming together also. Really worried about our DB's and safeties. Cornerbacks were consistently beat last night and our safeties were out of position, including N.E. maybe it was by design not to have safety help. With young corners, safety help is a must.
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Sir Oregon is a top 10 team. They would likely do the same to us. That’s a cop out. No one expected them to win that game or come close. No one said they were elite. But they are night and day better than last year.
Every team can’t get more talented through the portal. Some teams are going to be less talented because the portal. That’s us this year.
Yes, but it's possible and probable for most power 5 schools to become more talented through the portal.
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They are night and day better primarily because the Coach's son is the QB.
Is it? Unless P5 schools are getting most of their upgrades from G5 and FCS ranks, it seems inevitable that some teams will have a net loss from the portal while others have a net gain. Call it the law of conservation of talent, if you will.
I don't pay attention to most teams but looking at our team, this is what I see. This is off the top of my head so I could be off.
P5 transfer playing significant snaps.
QB
TE
Non P5 playing significant snaps.
OL
DL/DE (several players)
WR (several players)
RB
LB
We have a lot more transfers / talent from non P5 schools than P5. Maybe we are the exception or I'm looking at this incorrectly?
I think your list is pretty accurate. And if your point is that you can't build an SEC contender by consistently bringing in non-P5 talent through the transfer portal, I wholeheartedly agree. There will always be some diamonds in the rough, but it's not a recipe for success. I think many of those non-P5 transferees were stop-gap measures after we suffered significant losses. We can't do that every year if we expect to succeed. But I was disagreeing with your statement that all P5 teams should be able to upgrade their talent through the transfer portal. Mathematically, I don't think that's possible. We need to be a "taker" from the portal, rather than a "giver," But that's probably not going to happen every year.
I didn't mention the players we lost in the portal. Thought to figure out if what we list is greater than what we gained .
Again, off the top of my head what we lost.
DL to Oregon
RB to USC
DB and TE to Florida State
I am sure there are others but some significant losses at key positions.
UGA did not do that to us. That's a cop out. No one expected us to beat UGA or even keep it close. Oregon was a 21 point favorite and dang near doubled it. UGA was a 27 point favorite and won by less than half of that. Both are a loss bottom line. But Colorado was exposed. We were not by UGA. Our game plan was decent. Our lines were improved. We got worn down and out atheleted by the number one team. It will be interesting to see how Colorado reacts to adversity.
Saw several of our upcoming opponents play today. Gonna be tough sledding to get to 7 wins. Yes we have some outstanding kids in the lower classes and commitments for 2024 but I'm concerned about the dl we have missed out on. Georgia and clemson have cleaned up on dl. Sure hope we can hit the portal. Don't think we got as much from the portal as we did last year.
It's Oregon. West coast football is soft. He'll look like an All American there
He should be.........4th year of college football. You should be at your best by now. Good for him. But tearing it up is a little bit much. He is on a very good defense and a very good team overall. He's doing about what he did here towards the end of last year. Plays good at DE. Maybe he's maturing and a late bloomer. Anyway, I also heard he wanted to come back to SC before the season started. Could be wrong............but he's a memory now.
I dare say, with XL, Juice, and Brown............we would have possibly the three best receivers on one team in the country. And in Gamecock fashion, two of them are hurt right now. I'll take Knox over Bell. Lloyd was a lost potential player, but who would know as every time he flashed of being really good, he got hurt. Edmond is 2nd team at FSU so hope he's fulfilling his dream. I miss Vann and Brooks. Other than that, I think we have more talent with more potential. We need a stud RB, but we also may have a true freshman that will fill that role next year with a little time in the weight room.
So who would that be? Which one of our upcoming opponents were you impressed with? KY? UF? Mizzou? Vandy? UT? Jackson St? TAMU? The only team out of all of them that looked good was the taters. The rest, you could throw in a blender and not get one that looked any better than us. KY has played........now wait for it........Akron, E. KY, Ball St, and Vandy.....get that, they are 4-0 and looked pedestrian against each. So let's see how this plays out but you could be right, or wrong.
As we have been the bulk of the last 55 years I’ve been a fan. Celebrate the wins, mourn the losses, next man up.
It will always be a struggle except for the isolated charmed year. Anyhow, one game at a time. Is that cliche' enough?
I've been a gamecock fan and follower since the mid-60;s. If there is one thing I've learned is we have a knack for making pedestrain teams look all world so I don't take anything for granted. Ky has handled us pretty well. A&M on the road will be tough. It looked to me after seeing them play that those kids they spent big money on a couple of years ago are finally paying dividends. Mz. is another program we have had big time problems with no matter the record. Fl. has looked good in a couple of games and certainly have the athletes to play well. Tn. I guess we'll find out in Knoxville. I don't think any of these games will be a cake walk. All have played well in spurts. If n. c. kicked our *** certainly some of these teams are capable of doing the same.
Oregon is a good team but the fact remains that Colorado looked very bad. They didn't only lose, they got their asses handed to them. Deion has built a team of "look at me" players who think Deion is their ticket to the NFL, they are all about what Deion can do for them. They are not players who have any attachment at all to the University of Colorado so they are playing for themselves.
Deion is the black Dabo. He wants to be in front of a microphone and wants everyone looking at him. His team is nothing more than a tool for him to promote himself.
We are more talented than last year, but we lost a lot of experienced players from last year and had a few significant injuries to start the season. The freshmen and sophomores are stepping up now, gaining needed experience. Like last year, I expect a strong finish to the season. Next year (sound familiar?
) should be our breakout year where we have talent, experience, and depth to have a lengthy presence in the top 25.
) should be our breakout year where we have talent, experience, and depth to have a lengthy presence in the top 25.Really got me to thinking against UGa, everyone was saying we lost the game because our db's played so far off the ball and Beck dinked us to death in the 2nd half, this week corners play up and I believe safeties were playing up for run support, bit on the play action and we gave up 2 easy td's, I'll say that gets corrected this week, I hope! Lord knows Heupel saw it!
They were selling out to stop the run. MSU had been one of the best running teams in the country. They caught us flat footed and we were not able (or willing) to adjust to it.
I don’t think we are more talented than last, specially on the lines of scrimmage but I do think the lines are getting better. Recruiting is the key long term. Yes , hit the portal but that’s a you get some and loose some game even more than recruiting. I think the coaching is fine right now but Beamer will have to keep evaluating every year.
Better than Ga? You were talking about them steam rolling us.
FSU also got the #3 edge player out of the portal from us. The previous year we did well in the portal as you noted....this past year whether it was timing or simply a surprise we got hit in some areas we thought we were fine in and then had to scramble.
That was a ridiculously overrated value to put on Edmond. Dude has 4 tackles and no sacks for them.
True. We just totally missed in the OL transfers.
Probably...but we needed him a lot more than they did. I think he would've had more of an impact here, but.........
I do think Geer will end up being pretty darned good.
Gargiulo was a good pickup.....agree about the others.
I never claimed Colorado was better than Georgia or Oregon for that matter. But rivalry has to play into it as well. We usually always play them well. That matters.
I believe the emphasis was to stop MSU's run game at all cost. In the end it worked, but the DEs got burnt a few times. Double edged sword. I just want to temper the defensive criticism. It's a team sport and both units did enough to win. Take the W and look ahead.
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