We are so much worse than anyone else in the…
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Yeah we picked a terrible time to suck. We are truly cursed. Death of a good coach. And piss poor leadership in that time lead to bad decisions to trust the wrong people with the program. We are paying the dividends and while lebby may turn out to be a good coach. Getting a greenhorn means growing pains and lot of first time mistakes which you pay for dearly in this league. You don't get training wheels in the sec or many other power 4 jobs anymore
It only took Lea 3 years to exceed expectations in his 4th year (even if he loses out). You just gotta hire the right guy and give him 4 years. Only problem is it’s a dice roll on who the right guy is, just look at all the bigger programs striking out on the bigger names. And if you lost that dice roll 4 years ago and want to cut bait and try again then you’re just stuck rolling the dice again.
Let's talk about the Indiana Head Coach. Wasn't he a sitting head coach somewhere else last year?
Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?
How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?
Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator an take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!
Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?
How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?
Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator an take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!
4 years to get it right fell by the wayside with the advent of multi million $$ coaches contracts and NIL. There is no more team development period to win, you MAY get 3 years max. First year you gotta do better than the last guy and I don't mean 1 win better. 2nd year you show significant improvement. Year 3 if you backslide in this era that you can import and export players like Chinese trinkets, you are on thin ice with a short leash (or noose) pulled tight around your neck. You can tell your grandkids about that 4 year rule when y'all are discussing history and the good old days
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Guys hang on. We will have our big upset too when we play UMass soon
TAMU was loaded with talent. Just needed someone who wasn’t an idiot to coach them up. Comparing that to our situation is disingenuous.
Comparing ourselves to the other schools in the conference, we dont look like the rest. We don’t physically have the build of a sec roster. On the offensive and defensive lines there is a dramatic “look” difference from us and everyone else. And that’s where we have to focus our recruiting and NIL efforts. It’s cliche but the SEC is still won on the line of scrimmage and we “look” closer to USM than anyone on our schedule.
It may be cliche but the 11 man game will always be won at the line of scrimmage no matter what league it is.
The Vandy coach has been there four seasons. He said last night it wasn't until the end of last season he changed what he was doing. He was doing it wrong. He went out and found better coaches and hit the portal to get the talent. Hell, he even has one of our O Lineman. It does not take four years anymore. The portal has changed everything. Two years max.
Let this sink in. A lineman took a step up from State and went to Vandy. Ouch.
You are skipping years and revising history. Fisch went 1-11 then 5-7 THEN had his good year which included a LOSS to MSU. Dillingham went 3-9 last year.
Cignetti at IU is the anomaly and he was able to bring nearly his entire offensive system AND players with him from an 11-1 JMU team.
If we look like hot garbage at this time next year then maybe it’s time to worry about the future. But now we are stuck. Lebby inherited garbage and tried to patch it with mediocre portal talent. There’s no doubt he and his staff are going to have to hit a lot more than they miss this go round if he wants to stay employed.
Don't waste your time with logic, reason and facts, we have too many fans who actually want us to fail so they can say, "I told you so."
A lot of people dont want to accept its
Not a 3-4 year turnaround time now. Its one maybe two. Have to have a talent evaluator and money.
From where we are, it's going to take 2 more years to pull out of this unless they just go crazy buying some really good players. The coaching staff is very green and inexperienced. On top of that they don't have depth or any real talent anywhere except QB, WR, and maybe Safety? They have a LARGE hill to climb.
Yep. Thst is my point. I guess my post was somewhat convoluted. The teams having the MOST success are the ones who hired sitting Head Coaches, not coordinators to be the Head Coach. But not State. Only 1 time in 40 years has State hired a head coach away from another P5, G5 or FCS school. Leach!
Lebby- coordinator
Arnett-coordinator
Leach- HC-Wash.St.
Moorhead-coordinator
Mullen-coordinstor
Croom-running backs coach
Sherrill- out if football 2 years when we hired
Felker-running backs coach
Bellard-High School HC
Tyler- assistant coach
Shira-assistant coach at State
Any wonder State can't compete in the SEC?
Maybe State should try a "new" approach. Like hiring a successful HC away from a good G5 or even a really good FCS.
Nobody here enjoys watching MSU lose. I honestly don’t know how some of you form these ridiculous opinions. Losing sucks ***. 17ing Peaches doesn’t even really want MSU to lose. Deep down, I don’t even think @L4Dawg wanted Leach to lose.
If we can get past this idiotic take, and all come to agreement that everyone has different ideas of what it takes to win at MSU in this era, well, that’s a starting point at least.
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