What are the chances Keenum gets an appointment

[Pookieray]

in the Trump WH?

 

[BulldogBlitz]

The list was 12 names long?

So....1/12

 

[Mr. Cook]

Ask Mrs. Keemum******

 

[MSUPhiGam94]

I have a better chance

 

[85Bears]

Hopefully really really high

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I don't see ya'lls issue with Keenum. He's fine when he stays out of athletics.

I do want to know why he made the Salmon hire. First big mistake he's made in my mind, outside of the meddling. And while it's troublesome and pissed me off.....it's a behavior that can be corrected, especially considering all the good things he does for the school.

All of you expecting us to be some bastion of academic reputation.....it ain't happening so may as well quit judging him for that. Our attempts to do that (like Portera) have always been futile, although I don't completely dislike his push to use JUCOs for instate kids. However, I think we need to backfill those students by going out of state, NOT by trying to become elusive/elitist for MS kids.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Ask Mrs. Keemum******

The sarcasterisks ain’t needed here.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I don't see ya'lls issue with Keenum. He's fine when he stays out of athletics.

I do want to know why he made the Salmon Arnett hire. First big mistake he's made in my mind, outside of the meddling. And while it's troublesome and pissed me off.....it's a behavior that can be corrected, especially considering all the good things he does for the school.

All of you expecting us to be some bastion of academic reputation.....it ain't happening so may as well quit judging him for that. Our attempts to do that (like Portera) have always been futile, although I don't completely dislike his push to use JUCOs for instate kids. However, I think we need to backfill those students by going out of state, NOT by trying to become elusive/elitist for MS kids.

FIFY

 

[OG Goat Holder]

FIFY

Disagree. While Arnett absolutely sucked, it was the right thing to do at the time. The biggest thing he did wrong was not make it clear to Arnett that it's an interim position and that no one would get fired. Take it or leave it. Heck, Arnett may have left it.

But again, the absence of an AD allowed Keenum to get involved in athletics and bring some of that 'aww shucks at least lil ole moo beat ole miss!!!11' attitude into it.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Mark Keenum would have to take a huge to accept a cabinet position, but Rhonda though?

 

[johnson86-1]

Disagree. While Arnett absolutely sucked, it was the right thing to do at the time. The biggest thing he did wrong was not make it clear to Arnett that it's an interim position and that no one would get fired. Take it or leave it. Heck, Arnett may have left it.

But again, the absence of an AD allowed Keenum to get involved in athletics and bring some of that 'aww shucks at least we beat ole miss!!!11' attitude into it.

Nope. No way you can hire Arnett and allow him to tear down the offense with the number of seniors we had that year. No justification for hiring Arnett if we weren't trying to maintain some continuity.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Nope. No way you can hire Arnett and allow him to tear down the offense with the number of seniors we had that year. No justification for hiring Arnett if we weren't trying to maintain some continuity.

Did you read my post? That's exactly what I said we shouldn't have done (allow him to tear it down).

 

[johnson86-1]

Did you read my post? That's exactly what I said we shouldn't have done (allow him to tear it down).

Right. But you said it was the right thing to do at the time. It was only the right thing to do if we were going to maintain some continuity. If maintaining continuity wasn't a mandatory requirement for Arnett to get the job, it was just a huge mistake to hire him period.

If we were going to leave the option open to implement a new offensive system, we should have done a full coaching search and just accepted we were going to do a complete rebuild immediately despite having a senior laden roster on the offensive side of the ball.

ETA: Same thing with hiring Lebby. I might eventually be ok, but it was just a huge mistake (and just incredible incompetence) to hire a first time head coach without getting some agreement on hiring a defensive coordinator with some experience. How much better does Lebby's future look if we have a competent defense against ASU and Toledo?

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Right. But you said it was the right thing to do at the time. It was only the right thing to do if we were going to maintain some continuity. If maintaining continuity wasn't a mandatory requirement for Arnett to get the job, it was just a huge mistake to hire him period.

If we were going to leave the option open to implement a new offensive system, we should have done a full coaching search and just accepted we were going to do a complete rebuild immediately despite having a senior laden roster on the offensive side of the ball.

ETA: Same thing with hiring Lebby. I might eventually be ok, but it was just a huge mistake (and just incredible incompetence) to hire a first time head coach without getting some agreement on hiring a defensive coordinator with some experience. How much better does Lebby's future look if we have a competent defense against ASU and Toledo?

First, I don't see how you hire a head coach of any caliber while simultaneously telling him how he will run his staff and team. He should sink or swim on his own terms.

I always thought hiring Arnett immediately without searching for other coaches was stupid. Now, if he told the power brokers he would keep the offense in place, then maybe it could work....but you can't force the offensive staff to stay. I never heard why they all left, but there is probably more to the story than just Arnett wanting to run something different.

For Lebby, I certainly think you ask him what his plans would be for the defense, but you cannot put a requirement that he hire an experienced DC. Sure, it would have been preferable, but he has to hire who he can. This time he will need to try a lot harder to make a good hire.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Disagree. While Arnett absolutely sucked, it was the right thing to do at the time. The biggest thing he did wrong was not make it clear to Arnett that it's an interim position and that no one would get fired. Take it or leave it. Heck, Arnett may have left it.

But again, the absence of an AD allowed Keenum to get involved in athletics and bring some of that 'aww shucks at least lil ole moo beat ole miss!!!11' attitude into it.

Arnett's resume was (is) thinner than Hunter Biden's. Should have appointed an interim for the bowl game, then done a national search. Could have always hired Arnett after the national search (if we couldn't get a decent candidate). Of course Levee was hired after a national search and he got blown by Toledo.

 

[johnson86-1]

First, I don't see how you hire a head coach of any caliber while simultaneously telling him how he will run his staff and team. He should sink or swim on his own terms.

Same way you hire all sorts of executives. Very few executives have the clout to tell whoever is hiring them, "trust me, I'm going to blow you away." Either the board is going to tell them a strategy and find out how they're going to implement it, or they're going to ask the person their plan and then some obvious deviation from it, like a focus on brick and mortar after telling them pre-hire cyber is going to be the strategy, is going to create a lot of scrutiny and follow ups and oversight.

I always thought hiring Arnett immediately without searching for other coaches was stupid. Now, if he told the power brokers he would keep the offense in place, then maybe it could work....but you can't force the offensive staff to stay. I never heard why they all left, but there is probably more to the story than just Arnett wanting to run something different.

I'm not saying continuity in the individual staff members. I'm just talking about sticking with air raid concepts. Just zero reason to hire Arnett if you're going to completely change directiosn on offense. You have a first time head coach who was relatively inexperienced as a Defensive coordinator paired with an inexperienced offensive coordinator who is also going to remake the offense when the personnel were selected to run air raid? What could go wrong?

For Lebby, I certainly think you ask him what his plans would be for the defense, but you cannot put a requirement that he hire an experienced DC. Sure, it would have been preferable, but he has to hire who he can. This time he will need to try a lot harder to make a good hire.

Sure you can. Contracts have to be approved. You definitely don't want to meddle but excluding first time defensive coordinators still leaves hundreds of coaches available.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

in the Trump WH?

No idea, but please let him take tater to DC

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Right. But you said it was the right thing to do at the time. It was only the right thing to do if we were going to maintain some continuity. If maintaining continuity wasn't a mandatory requirement for Arnett to get the job, it was just a huge mistake to hire him period.

If we were going to leave the option open to implement a new offensive system, we should have done a full coaching search and just accepted we were going to do a complete rebuild immediately despite having a senior laden roster on the offensive side of the ball.

Well I agree with that.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

First, I don't see how you hire a head coach of any caliber while simultaneously telling him how he will run his staff and team. He should sink or swim on his own terms.

I always thought hiring Arnett immediately without searching for other coaches was stupid. Now, if he told the power brokers he would keep the offense in place, then maybe it could work....but you can't force the offensive staff to stay. I never heard why they all left, but there is probably more to the story than just Arnett wanting to run something different.

For Lebby, I certainly think you ask him what his plans would be for the defense, but you cannot put a requirement that he hire an experienced DC. Sure, it would have been preferable, but he has to hire who he can. This time he will need to try a lot harder to make a good hire.

Because he wasn't a coach of any true "caliber". He was an assistant promoted because our coach died. He was also promoted because he knew we had a good team coming back with a good recruiting class. It was an interim situation in every way, shape and form.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

I don't see ya'lls issue with Keenum. He's fine when he stays out of athletics.

I do want to know why he made the Salmon hire. First big mistake he's made in my mind, outside of the meddling. And while it's troublesome and pissed me off.....it's a behavior that can be corrected, especially considering all the good things he does for the school.

All of you expecting us to be some bastion of academic reputation.....it ain't happening so may as well quit judging him for that. Our attempts to do that (like Portera) have always been futile, although I don't completely dislike his push to use JUCOs for instate kids. However, I think we need to backfill those students by going out of state, NOT by trying to become elusive/elitist for MS kids.

He takes millions a year from the AD budget and sends it back to the school when we have the smallest budget in the SEC and then we have to hear how poor we are.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

He takes millions a year from the AD budget and sends it back to the school when we have the smallest budget in the SEC and then we have to hear how poor we are.

So is athletics part of the school or not? Should they not pay their electric bills? Tuition for the athletes? They dont just show up for "free." The services they use from the university such as Human Resources, General Counsel (getting a steal on that seeing as how much that has been needed as of late), etc.

 

[RockyDog]

First, I don't see how you hire a head coach of any caliber while simultaneously telling him how he will run his staff and team. He should sink or swim on his own terms.

I always thought hiring Arnett immediately without searching for other coaches was stupid. Now, if he told the power brokers he would keep the offense in place, then maybe it could work....but you can't force the offensive staff to stay. I never heard why they all left, but there is probably more to the story than just Arnett wanting to run something different.

For Lebby, I certainly think you ask him what his plans would be for the defense, but you cannot put a requirement that he hire an experienced DC. Sure, it would have been preferable, but he has to hire who he can. This time he will need to try a lot harder to make a good hire.

It's a pipe dream they still have, like a magical run was just waiting to happen and all we had to do was keep everybody in place and honor Leach. Spurrier was leaving regardless. He wasn't going to stick around for Arnept. And you can't expect to go out and hire an OC and say, do it just like Mike Leach did. Expecting everyone to stick around as some sort of Kumbaya allegiance and one last run for Leach was never going to happen. Those guys weren't going to stick around and work for a knuckle dragging DC.

So, the WHOLE idea was dumb to begin with, and we sat there with no AD to make a big boy decision thanks to our hero Cohen. Instead of taking some time to get an AD and then a coach in place, we just prolonged the misery by AT LEAST 2 seasons, if not more depending on what happens next year.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

So is athletics part of the school or not? Should they not pay their electric bills? Tuition for the athletes? They dont just show up for "free." The services they use from the university such as Human Resources, General Counsel (getting a steal on that seeing as how much that has been needed as of late), etc.

Athletics brings in hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the school. Is this a 17ing joke?