Best FR since Dak. Best true FR since Bond.
What is making Van Buren more successful than Shapen?...
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You're the only one I've seen refer to Shapen as a bum.
Put down the crack pipe. Bond was the 3rd leading rusher in the SEC & the 7th ranked passer. And led us to an unheard of at the time 9-3 season.
In the history of the SEC there are less than a handful of QBs as good as Bond was a Freshman and none any better. Too bad he never got much better.
But that guy knew how to party.
Different era. The QB position is completely different now. But he was fun as hell to watch!
Bond never completed 50% of his passes in a season and never had more passing TDs than INTs in a season. Van Buren will have more passing yards this season than probably any season Bond had. I ain't the one on the pipe lol.
But I he could run that wishbone like a machine.
New offense, new coach new players, it was taking some time wish Shapen but it was getting better. Now, MVB is also obviously way more talented. I think they also simplied the playbook for everyone starting at Texas and and have only slightly opened it up week to week as mvb and team gets more comfortable. I dont think we had the whole playbook good as we should with Shapen because we showed streaks of good then with Arizona state coming back. Our defense has just been so bad if you make a mistake on offense you are playing catch up the whole game which puts more stress on you.
Can’t compare passing stats between eras. But even there VB is barely completing 50% of his passes today. Bonds 6.8 yards per attempt in 1980 compares pretty favorably to VB’s 6.9. And he ran for 720 yards vs negative yards for VB.
You guys obviously don't remember the ginger phenom Wes Carroll. Anyone that could score points snd move the ball in the croom mccorvey offense is elite all world** only partially kidding
Nobody could escape some of the pressure A&M put on MVB the second half. He's a pass first, run second QB, which is what we need. If he ever gets in the open field I feel like he will be really great.
He looks at multiple receivers, he elusive, he throws a great deep ball and has a better arm. Running game is much better, that helps a lot.
Him being both the HC and OC and being on the field calling plays has to be a huge adjustment too. I've been on the field and in the booth and it's a different animal on the field, and we're talking about MS hs compared to the damn SEC.
him being a HC period is a huge deal.... and a adjustment.
Things have settled in so to speak. Still doesnt erase the train wreck that weeks 1-3 were though. Need to see continued improvement... as I dont buy the whole building something great when we are teetering on the edge of a 2-10 season.
I think often about how much more prepared Mullen seemed coming in but it's not apples to apples. Mullen had a much more talented team outside of qb. Mullen had a better staff overall. Most importantly, Mullen was learning under one of the greatest head coaches of all time for many years. Lebby has worked under good HCs, but none compare to Urban, nor did he have the longevity or tutelage with them that Mullen received.
i agree with a lot of that. Also think the portal makes it tough unless you bring in a lot of guys that already know your system. I mean at least with Mullen he knew there wasnt going to be a mass exit....
all that said... the way the first 3 games were managed was some of the worst coaching and game management i've ever seen.... so it has gotten better obviously, but not sure thats saying a whole lot. Again need to see continued improvement as the years concludes.
There's no comparison. VB will finish the season well ahead of Bond. Bond was a runner in the wishbone. You can put any good runner with knowledge of the bone back there and put up rushing numbers. And the 3 games VB has played was against top defenses in America too. He's been great! Rushing is the only stat Bond has better than VB.
Again, you can't compare passing stats between eras. And if running the wishbone was so easy, every QB would have put up Bonds rushing stats (which can't just be ignored in this comparison). Trust me, Bond was a MUCH better QB in 1980 than Van Buren is in 2024. Which isn't to say Van Buren isn't good. He is. But Bond was a star QB in 1980. Van Buren is a promising FR in 2024. Big difference.
He's playing fearlessly and is a better runner. These are key traits for a QB at a non-playoff contender. The fearlessness will certainly bite him in the *** at some point, but who cares. Make plays to the best of your ability. Whether you play it safe or fail, we're going to lose either way. Might as well go for it and get better going forward
He’s not a better runner. Shapen is a much better runner. But Van Buren is a much smarter runner, which gives him a decent chance of finishing the season without being injured.
"More mobile in the pocket and a more effective runner" then?
He overcomes our poor pass blocking better was my actual point
And I thought Shapen was good, ftr. I'm not trying to **** on him
And still one of our All Time Best QB’s
That should be another topic of discussion if it hasn’t already.
Agree to a point. Both good runners. Van Buren the much smarter runner. I like both. If I had to pick one, it would be Van Buren because Shapen is too reckless & gets injured a lot.
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