Where does Penn State rank in the final Associated Press Poll this season?
Where did Penn State end up finishing in the final Associated Press Top 25 poll of the 2023-2024 season? Nittany Lion fans, check it out here.
Where does Penn State rank in the final Associated Press Poll this season?
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Record was good overall (Top 15), but we did not meet expectations and some people could say this season was a failure. The sad thing is that there is not much to look forward to.
I'm not as pessimistic. I think the OC/DC hires are solid and there is plenty of talent on the team. Schedule is brutal, and Franklin is still Franklin, but chance we could make the playoff. Will be fun to watch this board if/when we don't make it though.
Will be even funnier if they do make it. The pouty little kids will move the goalposts some more if he does. Thankfully those that don't think there is much to look forward to won't care one way or the other I guess.
I mean 10-3 is not a bad season. I am frustrated as everyone else because we had high expectations with 2 really good running bads, an OL that was supposed to be really good and a new QB that was supposed to be good. Defense lived up to the hype as always(except in the bowl game of course), offense has been the most frustrating because it didn't seem like we could run the ball as well as last year, and our passing game has hit the crapper. I am frustrated with Franklin because our team doesn't seem prepared for our opponents properly as we seem to struggle out of the gate(been an issue since he has been here because he used to claim we were a 2nd half team). Anyway, I am encouraged with the new OC/DC but then again I was in the past as well. This is college football in the present day with the revolving doors, hopefully he will adapt. We only lost to the national champs by a 9 points.
Where do we rank? Based on last night somewhere between Washington and Michigan. We have as much talent, if not more, than Washington. Michigan is a very mature, well coached team with the unmatched strength in the trenches. Their recruiting rankings are like ours but they do develop talent as well as anyone in the country. They could easily have over 20 players drafted this year.Where does Penn State rank in the final Associated Press Poll this season?
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Pretty much it. Hopefully the new OC can create something on offense this next season with the passing game. I'm still hoping for a little portal help or maybe a frosh that can make an impact. A little concerned about the edge rush next year too, but we'll see what Allen can cook up there. Everyone has turnover, but some just shake it off better than others. Some losses on the OL, but the recruiting and development there have been better lately so we'll see.
I throw out the Peach Bowl as I am every other bowl that wasn't in the playoff. Why? Way too many opt outs. I think that is a different game with our CBs and Chop playing defense. I don't know who wins, Ole Miss is a very good team, but I think we do OK.
On the season, I think tOSU and UM were two of the top five teams in the nation last year. After the playoff, the top four were UM, GA, AL and tOSU IMHO. So PSU lost to two top-five teams with an OC that wasn't getting it done. I can live with that.
On the season, I think tOSU and UM were two of the top five teams in the nation last year. After the playoff, the top four were UM, GA, AL and tOSU IMHO. So PSU lost to two top-five teams with an OC that wasn't getting it done. I can live with that.
There is a difference between expectation and aspiration.
And can't even hang a hat on a bowl win (which we probably win without opt outs).
While Penn State might have won the bowl without opt outs and we might feel better about this season, the way it played out exposed us to the grim reality that the secondary needs work. The guys back there in the game and (unless some fresh phenoms surface) presumably next year don't look good. We might not know that if the full team played in the bowl.
The expectation for 2023 was to win the Big Ten Championship. Go talk to any Penn State Football player, that was the goal and the expectation. We had the talent to win the Big Ten in 2023 but coaching dysfunction, play calling, and an under-developed former 5 Star QB marred the season. Our offense was mocked across the country and our offense did not look good against all 3 quality opponents we played this season (OSU, Michigan, Ole Miss). Just because your expectations were low does not mean the Penn State Football Team and many Penn State fans had the same low expectations as you.
Your comment was wholly unnecessary and childish. You have no idea what I expected.
And every Penn State player is going to publically say they expect to win the Conference. I watch enough college football to know that your statement about mocking the offense and defense across the country is false.
Being realistic is not the same as low expectations.
Grow up.
Best, most satisfying win was shutting out Iowa.
Like for me, I expect to be the absolute worst and aspire to be just a shade better than that. Disappointment is my business.
Michigan could take a step back but we don't play them; no idea how OSU will fare - they'll have another new QB and lose their best player on offense. Might be an opportunity for PSU to steal one from them. PSU will have a much different look on the OL and we still need WRs. I think D will be solid again.
they picked up a pretty good QB in the transfer portal in Kansas' Will Howard. They also picked up the RB we played against for Ole Miss who is pretty good. They just fired their Safeties coach and rumors are that there are more staff changes to come. they are VERY weak at Safety right now.
And Business is boomingLike for me, I expect to be the absolute worst and aspire to be just a shade better than that. Disappointment is my business.
With the transfer portal, the big programs will always be able to fill in the gaps. But Will Howard doesn't scare me.
Agreed but one thing I took away from the playoffs last year and this is the value of experience. This is so valuable in both total games and big games. Last year you had GA and TCU with very experienced teams and QBs. This year it was UM and Washington.
Business is good!Like for me, I expect to be the absolute worst and aspire to be just a shade better than that. Disappointment is my business.
Well right now he's better than Allar. We shall see how Allar does under the new OC's offense. Hopefully they can convince him interceptions can be shaken off
At this point I can't see the twelve team playoff being of any real advantage to Penn State. Given its performance over recent years ( guaranteed losses to any good team on the schedule) they will either not make it in, or be among one of the lower seeds. As a low seed, what are the chances of winning even one game. Not much. So, what's it worth?
Will see how things shake out but our stretch of games from 10/5 - 11/9 is brutal:
10/5 - UCLA
10/12 - @USC
10/19 - BYE
10/26 - @Wisconsin
11/2 - Ohio State
11/9 - Washington
I think playoff expansion certainly helps PSU’s chances of making the playoffs when compared to the four team format! But it may not help PSU’s chances of winning a national championship. Would Michigan have definitely won the whole thing this year if 12 teams were in it? I think a team like Georgia would probably have been a large factor in answering that question. Michigan did well to get over the Alabama hurdle, but it was only major hurdle and then they were already in the championship game against a team they had more talent than. Under the expanded format, they would have had to win three games to win the title. Outside of winning the conference, when qualifying for the playoffs Penn State would most likely enter as a team in the first round. That would mean PSU would have to win four games in order to win it all. That’s a tougher task than getting into the championship game on the basis of having a great game in a semifinal (see TCU last year and UW this year).
Getting into the playoffs will be a bit more difficult for most teams in the B1G and SEC—including PSU—thanks to conference expansion. Both conference and playoff expansions will mean roster depth will matter more than it ever has and it’ll be very important for PSU to build that stronger than ever. The road to a national championship will be long and difficult for virtually everyone.
Getting into the playoffs will be a bit more difficult for most teams in the B1G and SEC—including PSU—thanks to conference expansion. Both conference and playoff expansions will mean roster depth will matter more than it ever has and it’ll be very important for PSU to build that stronger than ever. The road to a national championship will be long and difficult for virtually everyone.
A chance, small though it may be.
But the team has to improve, no doubt, and in various areas before they have a good chance at a national championship
No the kid is from Kansas St, not KU. And he is pretty good, saw him play a couple times this year.
Will be favored in 4, underdog vs tOSU (but will be played in Happy Valley) and the bye game is a toss up.
Teams like Ole Miss, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, and other tier 2 programs would be happy and have a parade celebrating a 10-3 season. These programs will never be in the hunt for a National Championship.
For Tier 1 programs like USC, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Michigan, a 10-3 season is a very disappointing year. These programs are competitors and peers of Penn State. All of these programs are focused on winning a National Championship.
To insinuate that a tier 1 blue-blood program like Penn State should view their 3 awful losses as “not a bad season” is absurd. This was a bad season considering this team had an elite CFP level defense, a very talented RB room, a 5 star QB, a very experienced offensive line with an all-America OT.
There was a lot of NFL draft worthy talent on the 2023 Penn State roster.
The biggest gap between Penn State and programs like Michigan and Ohio State is head coaching.
You state opinions as fact. UM and tOSU will put more players in the first 2 rounds and the entire draft than PSU will so your last line is basically BS, but some want something to hang on to for a reason. The talent gap has closed in recent years and regardless of the inexact stars next to a kids name....UM was loaded with talent this year. tOSU has a top 5 class every single year...PSU once a decade. UM's OL and DL in particular were better overall. Watch the draft....you'll see. PSU isn't and hasn't been a tier 1 blue blood in decades.....with the exception of once or twice a decade teams.....that is the reality. I'm not sure who really thinks PSU is at the top tier or has been for a long time.
You're stuck in 1987 if you think PSU is still a tier 1 blue blood team. That stopped in the late to mid 90's. Getting back there is the hard part. UGa went 3 decades without a title...LSU did pre Saban for 3 decades...so did tOSU. PSU has another step or two to take, but when is the last time and how often has PSU win 10+ 3 years in a row? So the woe is me stuff while cute and fun for a message board is basically BS. Maybe they get there under JF, maybe not....but PSU is in a stable place right now and isn't going backwards currently. Bad coaches lose to teams they shouldn't. Decent and good coaches win the games they are supposed to. The great ones figure out how to get to that final step, but they also have a school and fanbase who ALL want the same thing....that isn't or at least wasn't PSU since 2012.
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I still think a lot depends on the HC. Some give their coordinators some freedom to develop their own offenses and/or defenses ... with these, you do see a difference when coordinators are changed. Other HCs don't give their coordinators that much freedom, with these you can go through a number of coordinators but still see the same style of play.
Only thing I have to go off of is what is reported and said. Did you ever here any of his OC's say JF handcuffed them? Have you seen any credible PSU beat writer even hint at this? The only people that tend to say it are folks sitting on a couch or in the stands. UK ran a lot more presnap motion so it should be pretty clear early on or not, but you don't target the top OC and DC to handcuff them. Manny's D was run his way....JO Mo ran his O his way. I don't think you bring in a new puppet if what you fired an OC for wasn't working...so I expect some changes. All we can hope for is that it makes an impact.
do OCs and DCs ever criticize the coach they work for, even after being fired? I tend to think they stay quiet and not burn bridges as doing so might sour others who might hire them.
What we do know is key game moments are decided by the head coach, things like going for it on 4th down, 2 point conversion, etc. One would think the HC reviews and provides input to game planning and preparation. Franklin clearly puts in his 2 cents on play calls, else why is he yapping on headsets and holding charts.
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