Who's at the top of your list to replace Beamer?

[18IsTheMan]

Could be a blessing in disguise if there's not a major turnaround this week vs UK.

Maybe this will be the wakeup call we need to get serious about a head coach. It was just 1 game against an overrated FSU team, but it was readily apparent some of the impact that Bill O'Brien has had on BC already.

We need a serious coach, Experienced. Sadly, it kind of feels like we are back at the post-Scott days when we need to go out and hire someone who can come in and simply teach us what a football program even looks like.

 

[Piscis]

I don't really have a particular name in mind but it needs to be someone with actual head coaching experience at the FBS level. Honestly, no top tier coach at a successful P5 program is going to be interested in the South Carolina job. The job has very little appeal as far as resources, tradition, recruiting territory or prestige. A middling P5 program like Miss St. or Illinois with a good coach in his early 40s who knows the Xs and Os and has the energy to push his staff is what is needed.

The last thing needed is another retread like Holtz or Spurrier who come out of retirement to stroke their own egos for a few years.

 

[SpurOfTheMoment]

Idiots.

You son of a *****… you’re hired!

 

[SpurOfTheMoment]

I am actually pro-Beamer and want him to succeed. I like him. He just hasn’t shown anything to make me think he can coach.

I used to think the same until he started to whine more reactively rather than be proactive, take responsibility and execute to prevent the same mistakes from happening.

 

[gamecock stock]

I am actually pro-Beamer and want him to succeed. I like him. He just hasn’t shown anything to make me think he can coach.

I think Beamer is better than Muschamp. But that's like saying Melissa McCarthy is better than Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[Greer]

Dabo hahahaha jk

It may be hard to pry him away from his alma mater. I think he has a chance to make them a consistently strong team.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

It may be hard to pry him away from his alma mater. I think he has a chance to make them a consistently strong team.

I thought his alma mater was Bama.

 

[Evilchicken]

I just don’t understand why Tanner is allowing Beamer to learn on the job. What was the appeal?

 

[Bubba Fett]

I think Beamer is better than Muschamp. But that's like saying Melissa McCarthy is better than Rosie O'Donnell.

That made me throw up a little bit.

 

[Bubba Fett]

I got no clue who we could get, but I think the parameters for having chance of success here have to be something beyond the usual.

If it were me, I would look for the absolute best HC or DC I could buy, and I literally mean buy, wave the money in front of him. Somebody solid and older who would be making his last coaching stop. Work out a plan with him that the OC will be someone young and innovative. Someone who has some experience, but who is not a clone, not a copycat, not a failed advisor or coordinator at some other school or level (NFL, cough, cough).

Someone who can take the talent we have and score, score, score. We must have high offensive creativity, and we must use what we have.

Since Spurrier's best years, we don't seem interesting in figuring out how to do the whole offense thing.

 

[will110]

Bill Belichick is available.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't really have a particular name in mind but it needs to be someone with actual head coaching experience at the FBS level. Honestly, no top tier coach at a successful P5 program is going to be interested in the South Carolina job. The job has very little appeal as far as resources, tradition, recruiting territory or prestige. A middling P5 program like Miss St. or Illinois with a good coach in his early 40s who knows the Xs and Os and has the energy to push his staff is what is needed.

The last thing needed is another retread like Holtz or Spurrier who come out of retirement to stroke their own egos for a few years.

I don’t think Holtz came out of retirement to stroke his ego. Not at all. He did us a huge favor by coming out of retirement. There was little to nothing in it for him. Spurrier, yeah he came here to prove that HE could win anywhere. And he needed to rehab his image after the Redskins.

 

[Greer]

I thought his alma mater was Bama.

Brent Key - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Greer]

Really not a bad choice. His strength is "coaching and getting the most out of the talent on hand". He is the type of coach who has had success at South Carolina. Prefer someone younger. BUT, still, he is 8 years younger than Spurrier was when he came here.

Just hope that Tanner does not promote from within. No one on staff is qualified.

Dan Mullen would not be a bad choice at all

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Brent Key - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You replied to someone who said Dabo. You mentioned alma mater in response. I thought you were talking about Dabo.

 

[USCEE82]

In USA Today:
Florida is at the top of the Misery Index. They are followed up by:

Virginia Tech
Clemson
UCONN
New Mexico State.

Honorable Mention:

Michigan
Houston
South Carolina
UCLA

Where's FSU?

 

[18IsTheMan]

We need someone who has shown they know what they're doing. As noted above, we're not getting any top guys, even top assistants, but we need someone who has shown to some degree they know how to be a head coach.

Both of our previous 2 head coaching hires have been major head scratchers. Next time I'd like to see us hire someone that makes sense to everyone, inside and outside the program.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Dan Mullen would not be a bad choice at all

Mullen is a good, competent coach. He's not Saban, or Spurrier in his prime, but we'd have a chance with him. Is he getting back into coaching? He's in his early 50s. If he is healthy, ready, re-energized, and wanted it, I would hire him in a heartbeat.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

I’d give Chadwell a shot.James Madison coach also worth looking at.

 

[Lone Star Rooster]

I'm good with the Mullen and Chadwell suggestions. No idea if they'd even entertain taking the job.

At this point, I'd be happy with someone who could get us to a Mark Stoops-type level of success. 7-8 wins most years, year-in, year-out. Making a bowl more often than not. Showing progress (or, at least, not regressing) year-over-year in most years. No nailbiters over the likes of ODU and Jax State in Year 4. In reality, with our history and resources, that's probably the best we can reasonably expect over time.

Now, if we get to that level and plateau there for a few years, am I going to get greedy and want more? Probably...

 

[Piscis]

Mullen is a good, competent coach. He's not Saban, or Spurrier in his prime, but we'd have a chance with him. Is he getting back into coaching? He's in his early 50s. If he is healthy, ready, re-energized, and wanted it, I would hire him in a heartbeat.

Mullen can't recruit, period. He couldn't bring top talent to UF, which is in one of the most talent rich states in the country. He needs to be an OC for a good HC, he has a good mind for offense. He seemed to be somewhat lazy at UF when it came to recruiting.

 

[uscfan1981]

Dan Mullen

 

[Lurker123]

Mullen can't recruit, period. He couldn't bring top talent to UF, which is in one of the most talent rich states in the country. He needs to be an OC for a good HC, he has a good mind for offense. He seemed to be somewhat lazy at UF when it came to recruiting.

Maybe he just needs a good recruiting coordinator. Do we know of one on staff already?

 

[Piscis]

I don’t think Holtz came out of retirement to stroke his ego. Not at all. He did us a huge favor by coming out of retirement. There was little to nothing in it for him. Spurrier, yeah he came here to prove that HE could win anywhere. And he needed to rehab his image after the Redskins.

Holtz left ND in '96. There were rumors he was courted for the Vikings job and that is why he left. He was also dealing with the NCAA issues that were a black eye for ND. When he didn't get the Vikings job he did two years as an analyst for CBS. Two years later he came to Carolina. He was 62 at the time, hardly an "old man" and I'm sure he wanted to get back to coaching to prove he still "had it". I also think he thought he could set the stage for Skip to take over when he left South Carolina. I don't think he thought he was doing anyone a favor. In fact, I think he thought South Carolina could help him and his son out.

I guess time makes people see things in a more positive light than the reality of how they really were. Many fans remember Holtz and being pretty successful. The reality is; he was 33-37 at Carolina, if you take out the 0-11 season (I don't know why you would take it out, it counted) he was still only 33-26, 7 games over .500 in 6 seasons.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Holtz left ND in '96. There were rumors he was courted for the Vikings job and that is why he left. He was also dealing with the NCAA issues that were a black eye for ND. When he didn't get the Vikings job he did two years as an analyst for CBS. Two years later he came to Carolina. He was 62 at the time, hardly an "old man" and I'm sure he wanted to get back to coaching to prove he still "had it". I also think he thought he could set the stage for Skip to take over when he left South Carolina. I don't think he thought he was doing anyone a favor. In fact, I think he thought South Carolina could help him and his son out.

I guess time makes people see things in a more positive light than the reality of how they really were. Many fans remember Holtz and being pretty successful. The reality is; he was 33-37 at Carolina, if you take out the 0-11 season (I don't know why you would take it out, it counted) he was still only 33-26, 7 games over .500 in 6 seasons.

That 0-11 team was so bad not even Lou Holtz could win a game. Then he beat Alabama twice and Ohio State twice.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Holtz left ND in '96. There were rumors he was courted for the Vikings job and that is why he left. He was also dealing with the NCAA issues that were a black eye for ND. When he didn't get the Vikings job he did two years as an analyst for CBS. Two years later he came to Carolina. He was 62 at the time, hardly an "old man" and I'm sure he wanted to get back to coaching to prove he still "had it". I also think he thought he could set the stage for Skip to take over when he left South Carolina. I don't think he thought he was doing anyone a favor. In fact, I think he thought South Carolina could help him and his son out.

I guess time makes people see things in a more positive light than the reality of how they really were. Many fans remember Holtz and being pretty successful. The reality is; he was 33-37 at Carolina, if you take out the 0-11 season (I don't know why you would take it out, it counted) he was still only 33-26, 7 games over .500 in 6 seasons.

That’s a very biased narrative.

 

[gamecock stock]

Maybe he just needs a good recruiting coordinator. Do we know of one on staff already?

There supposedly is one who we were told could sell freezers to Eskimos in Alaska.

 

[Piscis]

That’s a very biased narrative.

It is all pretty much fact outside of my opinion of why he took the Carolina job. I don't think we beat out any other bidders for his service so it wasn't like programs were beating down his door wanting him to come back. I imagine Holtz and Hootie Johnson had some conversations at the Augusta National about Holtz coming to Carolina. The part about how fans recall the Holtz years is also fact. His tenure felt better than Scott's because of some quality wins but the Holtz years weren't exactly the golden age of Carolina football.

 

[gamecock stock]

Mullen can't recruit, period. He couldn't bring top talent to UF, which is in one of the most talent rich states in the country. He needs to be an OC for a good HC, he has a good mind for offense. He seemed to be somewhat lazy at UF when it came to recruiting.

Just to be clear, IF we were to have an opening in the next year or two, Mullen would not be at the top of my board. I'm just saying he would not be a bad choice. Why? You are right that recruiting is not his strength. If you look at our history, we have NEVER been a strong recruiting school. Why? This is a tough school to recruit to. We share a relatively small state with a national brand (Clemson). We are relatively close geographically to traditional power house programs: Georgia, Tennessee and Florida. And in the era of NIL, we are going to be at a further recruiting disadvantage. In our history, we have hired coaches whose strength was as recruiters (Bell, Woods, Scott. Muschamp and Beamer). Scott, in fact, was named by one recruiting publication guru as the BEST recruiter in the nation. None of these guys "killed" it in recruiting. Everyone of them except Beamer has been fired in 5 years or less (the jury is still out on Beamer). If you hold out hope on someone recruiting us to national relevancy, you are going to be in for a long, long, long wait. I don't like being the bearer of bad news. But all those recruiting magicians were unmitigated failures (again, the jury is still out on Beamer).

The only coaches who have had decent success here (win a conference championship, break season record for most wins, produce Top 20 or Top 10 teams) were coaches like Dan Mullen, coaches who could maximize the player talent on hand. Those coaches did not bring in Top 15 recruiting classes year in and year out. Those coaches did not produce year in and year out. But they gave us some of our best seasons.

IF Beamer gets fired (it would not shock me if that happens within the next 2 years), and we go out searching for the next recruiting magician.....smh. As they say, the definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Again, I don't like being the bearer of bad news. But, if you can convince me I'm wrong, I'm willing to listen.

 

[Lone Star Rooster]

Mullen would be interesting to me for a few reasons. He did a very good job at MS State, a program that historically mirrors ours in a lot of ways. And he wasn't just a flash in the pan, he was able to sustain some modicum of success there for about a decade (during a stretch when the SEC West was very tough). He knows the SEC well. At 52, he's not over the hill. He has successful coordinating experience in his background. He’s available, no buyout. He checks a lot of boxes.

I'm not saying he's definitely "the guy." He had a very Muschamp- and Beamer-esque trajectory record-wise while at UF, which is troubling. Just saying (as others have) that we could certainly do worse if we find ourselves in the coaching market in the near term.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Mullen would be interesting to me for a few reasons. He did a very good job at MS State, a program that historically mirrors ours in a lot of ways. And he wasn't just a flash in the pan, he was able to sustain some modicum of success there for about a decade (during a stretch when the SEC West was very tough). He knows the SEC well. At 52, he's not over the hill. He has successful coordinating experience in his background. He’s available, no buyout. He checks a lot of boxes.

I'm not saying he's definitely "the guy." He had a very Muschamp- and Beamer-esque trajectory record-wise while at UF, which is troubling. Just saying (as others have) that we could certainly do worse if we find ourselves in the coaching market in the near term.

He only had one bad season at UF. Had 2 top 10 finishes and 1 top 15. His last season just went off the rails. Could argue UF jumped the gun given his sustained success at MSU.

 

[gamecock stock]

He only had one bad season at UF. Had 2 top 10 finishes and 1 top 15. His last season just went off the rails. Could argue UF jumped the gun given his sustained success at MSU.

I'm thinking the same. We are a lot like Miss. State. He won there. He could win here. He is the kind of coach we have had success with in the past. 3 of his Miss St teams finished nationally ranked, 2 of them in the Top15.

 

[KingWard]

Beamer is exempt from dismissal.

 

[Piscis]

I'm thinking the same. We are a lot like Miss. State. He won there. He could win here. He is the kind of coach we have had success with in the past.

His Miss St success was due in large part to Dak Prescott and weak schedules. He had a losing record in conference play and only finished above 4th in the West once.

He was better at UF but once he cycled through McElwain's players his recruiting weakness caught up to him.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

His Miss St success was due in large part to Dak Prescott and weak schedules. He had a losing record in conference play and only finished above 4th in the West once.

He was better at UF but once he cycled through McElwain's players his recruiting weakness caught up to him.

So you don't think Mullen would be an improvement?

 

[gamecock stock]

His Miss St success was due in large part to Dak Prescott and weak schedules. He had a losing record in conference play and only finished above 4th in the West once.

He was better at UF but once he cycled through McElwain's players his recruiting weakness caught up to him.

Prescott was there from 2011-15. Mullen's 2010 Mississippi State team finished 15th in the nation. His 2014 team 11th in the nation. His last team (2017) at Mississippi State finished 23rd in the nation. Regardless where his teams finished in the conference, nationally That's not bad. It's not easy to win in Starkville. He would not be my top choice. But we could do a lot worse and have.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

But we could do a lot worse and have.

And probably will. Frustrating.

 

[FightinRooster]

Chadwell. But tnat ship has sailed, no chance. Va Tech will get him in a year or two, mark my word on that.

Id give a hard look at a Mark Stoops assistant or Furmans HC, both would fit us well. Id love to get Craig Bohl but doubtful it would happen.

That said, Ray will hire Billy Napier for a 3 year $90,000,000 contract

Sort of like that other guy we hired who couldn’t win at Florida……..

 

[FightinRooster]

I'm not sure I can say someone is at the top of the list. From what I have read about Brent Key, I like him. And his background reminds me of one of our past football coaches, Jim Carlen, who I liked a lot.

Obviously, Jamme Chadwell, would be a great hire.

Another one to keep an eye on is Rhett Lashlee of SMU, which just joined the ACC.

If we have an opening at the end of the season, do NOT try to buy on the "cheap". That's what we did with nepo baby Beamer. How is that working out for us? If USC is serious about football, spend what it takes to get a quality football coach. If we are not serious about football, scale back in that sport and fund other sports. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

 

[gamecock stock]

So you don't think Mullen would be an improvement?

I'd take Mullen to replace Beamer tonight, if that was an option. Beamer is a cheerleader. Mullen is a coach.