Who's at the top of your list to replace Beamer?

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Prescott was there from 2011-15. Mullen's 2010 Mississippi State team finished 15th in the nation. His 2014 team 11th in the nation. His last team (2017) at Mississippi State finished 23rd in the nation. Regardless where his teams finished in the conference, nationally That's not bad. It's not easy to win in Starkville. He would not be my top choice. But we could do a lot worse and have.
His 2014 team had 3 losses, 2010 team had 4 losses, 2017 had 4 losses. He might be an improvement over Beamer but he isn't going to really change things. If the goal is a 7-8 win regular season, Mullen might be the guy.

A fresh faced G5 coach who would want to really make a name for himself in P5 seems like a better choice to me.
 

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A fresh faced G5 coach who would want to really make a name for himself in P5 seems like a better choice to me.
That's why I said Mullen would not necessarily be my top choice. But there's no doubt he would be a big improvement over Beamer, who is no coach.
 

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We need either:

A. Current, successful head coach.
B. Current top assistant at a top program.
 

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His 2014 team had 3 losses, 2010 team had 4 losses, 2017 had 4 losses. He might be an improvement over Beamer but he isn't going to really change things. If the goal is a 7-8 win regular season, Mullen might be the guy.

A fresh faced G5 coach who would want to really make a name for himself in P5 seems like a better choice to me.
One other thing: with all our recruiting disadvantages, 7-8 wins a year with occasional better years, is probably the best we can do. I have come to that realization. We will never win the national championship nor the SEC. If we make the 12 -team playoffs, we should celebrate like we did win the national championship. Dan Mullen or a coach like him definitely could get us there. We just have to realize our limitations. It was not easy for me to do so. But having been a Gamecock fan since the 1960s. the evidence is there for me to see. I just finally accepted it.
 

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We need either:

A. Current, successful head coach.
B. Current top assistant at a top program.
You mention top assistant at a top program. It will be interesting to see how Jeff Lebby does at Mississippi State. I know one Miss. State family. Husband and wife are both grads of that school. Their 3 boys are either graduates of that school or currently attend. They are "over the moon" with excitement about Lebby. He has been an Offensive Coordinator to Josh Heupel, Lane Kiffin and Brent Venables. He has produced Top 15 and better offenses at various stops. He is 40 with a great offensive background, having worked for offensive gurus Kiffin and Heupel. A coach with an offensive background is the key to winning in todays college football. Mississippi State is not an easy place to win at (which is why I'm impressed with Mullen). We will see how he does.
 
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You mention top assistant at a top program. It will be interesting to see how Jeff Lebby does at Mississippi State. I know one Miss. State family. Husband and wife are both grads of that school. Their 3 boys are either graduates of that school or currently attend. They are "over the moon" with excitement about Lebby. He has been an Offensive Coordinator to Josh Heupel, Lane Kiffin and Brent Venables. He has produced Top 15 and better offenses at various stops. He is 40 with a great offensive background, having worked for offensive gurus Kiffin and Heupel. A coach with an offensive background is the key to winning in today’s college football. Mississippi State is not an easy place to win at (which is why I'm impressed with Mullen). We will see how he does.
There are so many promising young coaches in the game, we must’ve stumbled over all of those to get to Beamer.
 
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One other thing: with all our recruiting disadvantages, 7-8 wins a year with occasional better years, is probably the best we can do. I have come to that realization. We will never win the national championship nor the SEC. If we make the 12 -team playoffs, we should celebrate like we did win the national championship. Dan Mullen or a coach like him definitely could get us there. We just have to realize our limitations. It was not easy for me to do so. But having been a Gamecock fan since the 1960s. the evidence is there for me to see. I just finally accepted it.
7-8 wins a year would certainly give our program some dignity.
 

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No Tanner succumbed to pressure from ex players. He does not have a clue about football and it shows.
He's supposed to be the expert on baseball, and we still have meandered for years to get to Mainieri.
What's his excuse? He's obviously a coach not an AD.
 

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No Tanner succumbed to pressure from ex players. He does not have a clue about football and it shows.
An AD doesn't necessarily have to know a lot about the sport he is hiring a coach for. That is what a search committee is supposed to do, evaluate and determine which candidates are qualified. Ex players shouldn't have any say whatsoever in who the coach is.
 

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An AD doesn't necessarily have to know a lot about the sport he is hiring a coach for. That is what a search committee is supposed to do, evaluate and determine which candidates are qualified. Ex players shouldn't have any say whatsoever in who the coach is.
If the AD doesn't do his own due diligence and relies solely on the search committee, does that mean he gets to blame his failures on the search committee.
 

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I've said it for five or six years and I still say it. Chadwell or PJ Fleck .... either one gives us a chance ... for obviously different reasons. Today's game is an offensive game. You do need a little bit of a niche unless you are a perennial top 10 program (or now a program with top 10 money)...so you had better be innovative offensively because that is where you can get most bang for buck on the field/rules wise, recruiting wise, excitement/fan wise and also keep you in games. You can also pair what Chadwell does with a legit defense and compliment each other unlike many other offensive systems these days.
Fleck because he is a great front man for a program, motivator and is a great coach. He's had two 9 win and one 11 win season at Minnesota ..... that is like what SOS did at Duke.

I would take UM or Dan Mullen in a heartbeat over the last pick that was made. I still feel like our entire fanbase is being punked with that choice.
 

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I know they destroyed a "nobody" this past Saturday. BUT, I've a hunch that Mississippi State hired a good one in Jeff Lebby.
I could live with that. He's an Air Raid guy....and we've passed on about 6-7 legit, potential HCs with strong AR ties or belief. It is an offense that has worked very well in college the last 25 years....if NCs and Heismans matter to anyone.
 

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Mullen is a good, competent coach. He's not Saban, or Spurrier in his prime, but we'd have a chance with him. Is he getting back into coaching? He's in his early 50s. If he is healthy, ready, re-energized, and wanted it, I would hire him in a heartbeat.
Are there a lot of Spurrier and Sabans that want our job?

Mullen took MSU to #1 in the country. They are historically the worst team in the SEC and he lead them to a 69-46 record (60%) in the SEC West against prime Alabama, LSU and Auburn. Spurrier won 63% here.
 
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One knock I just thought of against Mullen...he's been out of coaching since 2021. And in the 3 short years since, things have changed big-time in the college game (portal, NIL). Can Mullen adapt to the new normal?
 

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Beamer was hired based pretty solely on his last name and hope that coaching ability is somehow a genetic trait.
In Hollywood today, they call actors and actresses who get roles because their parent(s) is a famous actor or actress "Nepo Babies". It has been a big controversy there because the kids are just not talented performers. Well, we hired a Nepo Baby as Head Coach. It's a shame that the Board of Trustees, Tanner or both did not take their duties more seriously to hire a quality Head Coach. Did it ever occur to those bozos that no school thought enough of Beamer to make him an OC or DC, much less a Head Coach? Has there ever been a school that has shot itself more in its football foot than South Carolina? smh
 

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Beamer is exempt from dismissal.
You could be right. If that's the case, I'd hate to see how many exercise the use of their tickets to attend the games and, eventually, how many continue buying tickets and remain in the Gamecock Club. Even Gamecocks fans have a threshold of pain.
 

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You could be right. If that's the case, I'd hate to see how many exercise the use of their tickets to attend the games and, eventually, how many continue buying tickets and remain in the Gamecock Club. Even Gamecocks fans have a threshold of pain.
Do they though? I think one reason we have ever seen any meaningful change is that fans fairly reliably show up to games. Regardless of the product on the field. There’s a whole guilt factor of showing up to support the players even if the team stinks. But all the administration cares about is there butts in the seats, no matter the reason.
 

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Do they though? I think one reason we have ever seen any meaningful change is that fans fairly reliably show up to games. Regardless of the product on the field. There’s a whole guilt factor of showing up to support the players even if the team stinks. But all the administration cares about is there butts in the seats, no matter the reason.
Doesn’t seem like we're serious about winning.
 

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Do they though? I think one reason we have ever seen any meaningful change is that fans fairly reliably show up to games. Regardless of the product on the field. There’s a whole guilt factor of showing up to support the players even if the team stinks. But all the administration cares about is there butts in the seats, no matter the reason.
I hope so. Football is certainly THE sport. So, maybe people will attend no matter what. I just wonder if we are contending with Vanderbilt for bottom feeder status, will people continue coming out?
 

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Yeah, I'd say 80% or greater odds that he's still here next year, regardless of record. Still fun to speculate, tho.
I tend to agree. He could win 4 games this year and I get a strong feeling he's back next year. Now he doesn't get bowl eligible next year... he is toast. That said, win 3 games this year and I wouldn't bet either way.
 
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Wouldnt surprise me one bit to see Tanner going after Dan Mullen
Might be our best realistic option. Pending massive improvement over Game 1, I feel like ODU marks the beginning of the end for Shane Beamer

I like Shane. Or maybe I want to like Shane. The chatterbox chip on the shoulder arrogance is NOT my style. Especially if you can't back it up.
 

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I tend to agree. He could win 4 games this year and I get a strong feeling he's back next year. Now he doesn't get bowl eligible next year... he is toast. That said, win 3 games this year and I wouldn't bet either way.

Man, it's a pathetic indictment on our program when 5 wins in Season 3 and 4 wins in Season 4 is considered good enough to keep your job. Particularly when you consider those 4 wins would be over ODU, Akron, Wofford and Vandy. I would say Vandy is squarely in the toss-up column now, though.
 

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Man, it's a pathetic indictment on our program when 5 wins in Season 3 and 4 wins in Season 4 is considered good enough to keep your job. Particularly when you consider those 4 wins would be over ODU, Akron, Wofford and Vandy. I would say Vandy is squarely in the toss-up column now, though.
That's the danger of hiring someone who has never been a Head Coach. He does not have a track record, like Steve Spurrier, to keep going with him. If you keep going with someone who is over his head, you keep digging a bigger and bigger hole for your program, making the successor's job that much more difficult.

Beamer obviously can't recruit (14th right now in the 16-team conference). His judgment in hiring (hiring one of his groomsmen from his wedding as OC and then replacing him with someone called the worst OC in the NFL) is questionable.

Hopefully tomorrow will provide a better perspective. At least tomorrow we play Kentucky in the daylight.
 
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That's the danger of hiring someone who has never been a Head Coach. He does not have a track record, like Steve Spurrier, to keep going with him. If you keep going with someone who is over his head, you keep digging a bigger and bigger hole for your program, making the successor's job that much more difficult.

Beamer obviously can't recruit (14th right now in the 16-team conference). His judgment in hiring (hiring one of his groomsmen from his wedding as OC and then replacing him with someone called the worst OC in the NFL) is questionable.

Hopefully tomorrow will provide a better perspective. At least tomorrow we play Kentucky in the daylight.

All true.

Really, though, is there any other team that would say 4 wins over nobody teams in Year 4, on the heels of 5 wins in Year 3, is satisfactory? If we bring Beamer back after a 4-win season, that's what we would be saying. Four wins is enough.
 
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