Who's to blame for the current state of college athletics?

[Maroon13]

Particularly NIL(pay for play) and the transfer portal. This guy blames everyone from Mark Emmert to Teddy Roosevelt but "doesn't blame" Nico ima or Tennessee. See below

My view:
The ncaa for years tried to avoid corruption of college athletics by having rules around all this. They knew for many years if players were allowed to make money outside the sport, boosters would take advantage of that loophole. We see that now. Nico ima case isn't about getting better endorsement deals at another school. It is all about pay for play.

Now this guy says, there are no rules but doesn't understand why there isn't rules.

There are no rules because the players sued the NCAA for nil, transferring and other things. The ncaa lost in court. The ncaas hands are tied. The courts via lawsuits created this system.

I don't understand how anyone blames the ncaa when for years they had guard rails up.

 

[dawgstudent]

I really can't fault the player. It sucks but they are doing what's allowed and trying to maximize their value. Hopefully the Nico situation lights a fire to do something sooner rather than later. There has to be something contractual and/or no free transfers.

 

[oh yeah]

I think the NCAA, for whatever reason, tried to keep it amateur athletics. Ignoring the fact that a change was coming. I think they could have gotten ahead of it by using some type of stipend method. I think they may have helped keep the costs down and kept us from having the free for all, but in the end, who knows.

 

[8dog]

The schools for resisting an employment model and the courts for thinking this is NIL

 

[GloryDawg]

The Supreme Court rendering an opinion on the matter and Congress passing law fixing it.

 

[golferdog]

Greedy *** boosters who want to win at all costs every year to stroke their ego.

 

[POTUS]

Title IX

 

[615dawg]

This is on the fanbases for thinking paying players and unlimited transfers were okay.

Nico is the tip of the iceberg.

High school recruiting is basically dead except for the very best of the best. Non-revenue sports are starting to be cut and at a minimum there will be less roster spots in non-revenue sports because of NIL.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I don’t think any one person or institution is the lightning rod for this cluster, but I feel strongly that anyone in our fan base who thought this system would “level the playing field for State” is a flocking idiot, and I said as much before all this came into focus. The current state of affairs bear this out.

That said, Im I’m all in on women’s sports. Fun to watch, players stay longer, camaraderie and team spirit still alive and well. Haven’t watched an entire men’s game in any sport in over a year, and I don’t miss it. I hope women’s sports capitalize on the fallout from Men’s sports not settling down, and gain some momentum. I have always thought the money in men’s D1 sport will eventually blow it up, and this is proving true.

 

[8dog]

This is on the fanbases for thinking paying players and unlimited transfers were okay.

Nico is the tip of the iceberg.

High school recruiting is basically dead except for the very best of the best. Non-revenue sports are starting to be cut and at a minimum there will be less roster spots in non-revenue sports because of NIL.

I dont t think a lot of fans ever thought unlimited transfers were a good idea. And that concept is from a court decision that is rooted in NIL

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Boosters for being willing to pay athletes for wins. However, you can't stop this, especially as the money piled up with TV and everything. NIL was going to happen, and honestly the NCAA should have allowed back during the SMU stuff rather than doubling down on stupidity.

NCAA also made a fatal mistake is allowing unlimited transfers. They never should have open the gate on that dam, and I still don't know why they did.

Universities also, for throwing money at coaches and gold-plating athletic facilities.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Emmert. NCAA had years to fix the issue and never addressed it.

 

[dawgman42]

What is it about guys named "Nico" in sports lately? . . . .

(It's the new "Adolf")

 

[ETK99]

Lawyers have destroyed college athletics, like they have most things

 

[HailStout]

Glfr

 

[mstateglfr]

Blaming 'the courts' or lawyers is absurd.
Rules can be put in place to avoid something, but if courts say the rules are illegal, then it isnt the courts' fault for the illegal rules no longer being in place.
Make some rules that are legal!

Its the NCAA's fault, its the fault of major conferences, and its the fault of anyone who is willing to provide significant funding to allow the process to continue.

But really, is anyone 'at fault'? Assigning fault/blame means there is something wrong. This system is different from the old way, but that doesnt mean it is wrong- it just isnt what you(general) like or are used to.



I hate the new system and therefore view it negatively and will happily call it broken. But it isnt broken for the players who are making money. It isnt broken for the coaches(they are making exponentially more than 30, 20, or even 10 years ago).
If we view college athletics thru the lens of fans, sure it seems broken. If we view college athletics thru the lens of players and coaches, its never worked better(despite some coaches complaining while cashing checks almost none of us will ever experience).

 

[aTotal360]

Lemonis...

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Biden. Worst President of all time.

 

[Dawgbite]

Biden. Worst President of all time.

Liberals in general. This never would have happened if Ronald Reagan was still alive!

 

[thekimmer]

I think between the two the transfer portal has hurt college sports more than NIL.

For NIL the one to blame is the NCAA. You could see it coming for years but they put off doing something about it instead trying to keep the old system going until it catastrophically collapsed. They had ample opportunity to proactively put some kind of reasonable structure in place for player payment.

 

[615dawg]

I would agree that the transfer portal has been worse for college athletics than "NIL"

But the college sports world was sold on athletes getting a few hundred bucks from a video game or getting paid to appear in a commercial for the local car dealer. Not this world where players are negotiating contracts to play.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Larry Templeton for not selling out more home games when it was clear we were going to need the money for NIL.***

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

I look at it from the perspective of a parent. If my son wanted to negotiate his value to another team I would want him to be able to do it. If he wanted to leave school A after one year and go to school B to earn more money I'd want him to be able to do it. And if he was getting a seven-figure NIL deal I certainly wouldn't feel bad for him or my family. So I can't say anything is broken. If all that is true, I can't say NIL or the portal is bad for college football as long as it's right for my son. If there are two things I'm for, it's capitalism and free markets and the ability to pivot to secure a new contract. Now if he broke the terms of a contract then he's got what's coming to him. That's a legal issue not an NCAA issue.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I look at it from those perspective of a parent. If my son wanted to negotiate his value to another team I would want him to be able to do it. If he wanted to leave school A after one year and go to school B to earn more money I'd want him to be able to do it. And if he was getting a seven-figure NIL deal I certainly wouldn't feel bad for him or my family. So I can't say anything is broken. If all that is true, I can't say NIL the portal is bad for college football as long as it's right for my son. If there are two things I'm for, it's capitalism and free markets and the ability to pivot to secure a new contract. Now if he broke the terms of a contract then he's got what's coming to him. That's a legal issue not an NCAA issue.

Honestly, while I may not like what it's become as far as me personally (because of my rooting interests and my comfort with the old system), I have to agree with this. I don't see what the problem is, as long as boosters continually and willingly pay for this stuff.

I don't really like the rev share model to be honest. I'd rather that money stay with the school.

 

[ckDOG]

It's pretty simple. There's just a lot of men with money who base their identity and self worth on paying teenagers they don't know lots of money to sign scholarship papers at their preferred school. As long as those people exist, we will be bitching about money corrupting colleague sports regardless of system.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Don't buy that SH IT. Won't be no SH IT!

 

[Maroon13]

Honestly, while I may not like what it's become as far as me personally (because of my rooting interests and my comfort with the old system), I have to agree with this. I don't see what the problem is, as long as boosters continually and willingly pay for this stuff.

I don't really like the rev share model to be honest. I'd rather that money stay with the school.

The problem is there are no contacts and no rules to hold the players to their end of the deal.

Nico is the perfect example of that. Tn offered him $10m for four years. He is starting and playing qb. But that wasn't good enough.
That's the point of all the blowback on Nico.

In general, You can't build a team or even know how to budget if players can quit at any time when they feel they want more money. How do you even know if they'll put it all on the line any given Saturday? You don't.

For us State fans, we can not keep players from being outbid every portal season. There needs to be contracts so we dont continue to be everyone else's farm team. If that QB from Noxubee shows out this year, with his size and speed, he will be gone.

 

[Maroon13]

Oh and ... the ncaa should do this or that.... they did open an investigation on TN, regarding Nico's nil and or recruitment out of HS to enforce the current rules. TN sued the ncaa and the court sided with TN.

 

[Del B Vista]

For all the people who point at the NCAA and say it's the NCAA's fault, ask yourself one simple question: What is the NCAA?

(Hint: IT'S THE MEMBER INSTITUTIONS.)

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Anyway we can blame it on Elon or our bus driver?

 

[L4Dawg]

Particularly NIL(pay for play) and the transfer portal. This guy blames everyone from Mark Emmert to Teddy Roosevelt but "doesn't blame" Nico ima or Tennessee. See below

My view:
The ncaa for years tried to avoid corruption of college athletics by having rules around all this. They knew for many years if players were allowed to make money outside the sport, boosters would take advantage of that loophole. We see that now. Nico ima case isn't about getting better endorsement deals at another school. It is all about pay for play.

Now this guy says, there are no rules but doesn't understand why there isn't rules.

There are no rules because the players sued the NCAA for nil, transferring and other things. The ncaa lost in court. The ncaas hands are tied. The courts via lawsuits created this system.

I don't understand how anyone blames the ncaa when for years they had guard rails up.

It's 100% on the courts.

 

[Irondawg]

Here’s what I get lost in the legal stuff. The NCAA doesn’t force any school to participate in their sports.

They get to set the rules (to a certain degree) - so just set the rules and let schools decide if they want to participate. If you want to play for a school in that system, you agree to those rules.

I get that you could argue collusion and unfair labor practices in the past but that doesn’t mean we can’t have any rules.

From my uneducated view, it seems we are making this more difficult than necessary because the NCAA is too scared of pissing off blue blood ADs such that they get together and form their own league

 

[615dawg]

What is going to happen is a Coalition of the Mid Majors is going to get together and vote to change these rules. That will be the catalyst for the biggest reorganization of college athletics in history.

 

[mstateglfr]

Remember when Bruce Pearl was fired and given a mult-year show cause for lying that he had hosted a recruit at a BBQ cookout?
2011 was a simpler time.

 

[Colonel Angus.sixpack]

Ed O’bannon

 

[HailStout]

Remember when Bruce Pearl was fired and given a mult-year show cause for lying that he had hosted a recruit at a BBQ cookout?
2011 was a simpler time.

Best picnic in Auburn history

 

[thatsbaseball]

Good ole American greed .

 

[Maroon13]

Just talked to a player parent (not MSU player). Dudes first point is Tennessee has 100k fans at a game and makes $200 a ticket, they can afford $4m a year for a QB.

People don't even understand or want to understand the difference in revenue sharing and extortion/bribery.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

Everyone involved shares some of the blame. NIL was supposed to allow players to be paid within the rules for doing things that bring value to businesses.
Get paid to show up for an autograph signing at your local wings place? No problem. Get paid for starring in a TV commercial for a program booster? No problem.

Pay a high school senior 6 figures for signing with your school? Problem.

Unlimited transfers with no penalty? Problem.

Greedy *** relatives with no loyalty or honor, pimping their meal ticket to whoever pays the most regardless or whether or not it hurts the player's career? Problem (Not a new one, to be sure).

TV talking heads that pushed for all this crap for years, now wailing on-screen every night about how busted the system is, even though their network(s) have done everything in their power to prop up the "Power" schools at the expense of everyone else? Problem.

Boosters of schools actively recruiting players during the season to get them to enter the portal? Problem.

And now, we have "student" athletes suing the NCAA to essentially try and remove the eligibility limit. So we'll end up with professional college athletes that the fans are expected to pay for in perpetuity.

It's an absolute ****-show and it's already affecting smaller athletics departments around the country. If these greedy idiots don't get a handle on this quickly, there will be thousands of players left out in the cold because they aren't good enough for the SEC, Big10, or ACC.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I think we can put a little blame on the “Game Day Ops” person at David Wade.