Who's to blame for the current state of college athletics?

Podgy

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Several things and people to blame but little good that does. Right now it isn't all that much fun being a fan of a university that doesn't have the NIL funds most others in the conference do.
 
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Muttley

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I don't know who's ultimately at fault, but if the players are getting paid and some of it is coming as profit sharing from the school, then a contract needs to be signed by both parties with buy outs if either side wants to part ways without cause. Treat them like we treat coaches that want to move on or be fired.
 
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I blame the media, whoever invented cable TV, ESPN, CBS, NBC, and ABC sports, win at all costs schools like Ala17ingbama, the NCAA for governing like they had an antitrust exemption when they didn't, college administrators who let in kids who clearly weren't college material to play a game, and boosters who have more money than brains who buy those players. It has evolved into something unrecognizable. I am in the "burn it to the ground" camp. I have to believe big time athletics will at some point be severed from the colleges and universities.
 

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We need to go back to free education, degree, food, books, room & board, job market, ect and if they don't want that tell them good luck, for you can't come to college and play college athletics. No more paying players, whoever came up with the idea that 18, 19, 20-year-olds needs to get paid to play ball on Saturday is nuts. That expensive free education is enough!
 

Bulldog Bruce

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We need to go back to free education, degree, food, books, room & board, job market, ect and if they don't want that tell them good luck, for you can't come to college and play college athletics. No more paying players, whoever came up with the idea that 18, 19, 20-year-olds needs to get paid to play ball on Saturday is nuts. That expensive free education is enough!
Obviously it's not.

That's the attitude that got it to this point.

"You should be happy with what we are giving you just so I can be entertained".

"I'm gonna stop you from someone buying you a meal".

"No you can't get a job to help feed your new born baby".

"No we can't buy you a plane ticket home just because your mother got rushed to the hospital".

"It's unfair if someone gives you new tires for your truck".

"The coach can't take you to a BBQ".

"Trade a jersey for tattoos, how preposterous we will suspend you and kiss that free education goodbye".

"Just ignore the fact that we paid another school 50 million to take their coach and then paid him 10 million a year to be here and to top it off we fired the guy you came to play for and gave him 25 million to go away, but you still can't get a free dinner".

"Sorry we don't have a curriculum you'd be interested in, but you can study criminal justice. Just don't miss practice or any weight programs".

"Just doesn't look like we have any place for you any more, so we will not be giving you a scholarship any longer. Doesn't matter that you in year 3 of pre med."
 
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Particularly NIL(pay for play) and the transfer portal. This guy blames everyone from Mark Emmert to Teddy Roosevelt but "doesn't blame" Nico ima or Tennessee. See below

My view:
The ncaa for years tried to avoid corruption of college athletics by having rules around all this. They knew for many years if players were allowed to make money outside the sport, boosters would take advantage of that loophole. We see that now. Nico ima case isn't about getting better endorsement deals at another school. It is all about pay for play.

Now this guy says, there are no rules but doesn't understand why there isn't rules.

There are no rules because the players sued the NCAA for nil, transferring and other things. The ncaa lost in court. The ncaas hands are tied. The courts via lawsuits created this system.

I don't understand how anyone blames the ncaa when for years they had guard rails up.


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dickiedawg

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First name that comes to mind is Cam Newton.

(It’s not actually a reasonable answer, but it was the first name that came to mind and he’s an easy villain.)
 

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First name that comes to mind is Cam Newton.

(It’s not actually a reasonable answer, but it was the first name that came to mind and he’s an easy villain.)
I saw a video clip of him being interviewed by Dan Patrick where Newton basically asks why he isnt in the NFL and Patrick is pretty direct. It was from late '23.
Funny to see, because Patrick says he is too big of a personality to manage...and Newton is dressed like a 17ing fool, so the comment is spot on.

 
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The schools and NCAA all got greedy. I agree with others that the portal combined with NIL is the biggest issue.

My idea is that if you take NIL money, then you’re locked in for 2 years. The school also is locked into you. This will make the negotiations and amounts a little more conservative. If you don’t get to play, get hurt, have a better player take your spot, etc., you still get paid for two years. If you decide to leave after a year, you must sit for a year, you lose your NIL money and you can’t get money from the new school or their boosters until you are on the roster. There are a few benefits. Coaches don’t have to recruit you for at least one of the years of your tenure. You might actually buy into the team’s culture and want to stay instead of shopping around every November. It’s still not perfect but it would be a start. I’m sure the boosters would game the system to get an athlete to sit a year. I just hope that the high level of competitiveness would make that very unfavorable.
 
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It's our fault. If the general fan/booster stops buying tickets & donating to whatever NIL/Collective Fund/Booster Club, then the coffers eventually run dry. But we (public) keep buying tickets & donating $$. I've gotten past the point of bitching & complaining. State is going to lose players to the upper tier Power 4 schools & take players from Mid-Majors to fill the gaps. It's the cycle of athletics for MSST in the foreseeable future.
 

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I look at it from the perspective of a parent. If my son wanted to negotiate his value to another team I would want him to be able to do it. If he wanted to leave school A after one year and go to school B to earn more money I'd want him to be able to do it. And if he was getting a seven-figure NIL deal I certainly wouldn't feel bad for him or my family. So I can't say anything is broken. If all that is true, I can't say NIL or the portal is bad for college football as long as it's right for my son. If there are two things I'm for, it's capitalism and free markets and the ability to pivot to secure a new contract. Now if he broke the terms of a contract then he's got what's coming to him. That's a legal issue not an NCAA issue.
He should be able to transfer but he should have to sit for one year barring extenuating circumstances with the school or coaching staff.

This exists in the real world for a lot of corporate sales people. It's called a non-compete or non-solicitation and you sign it when you sign your employment contract. If you leave then you have to "sit" which usually involves some legal creative work around but it still protects the company from losing revenue overnight that they helped the sales person build.

Sitting out a year after transferring solves 80% of this.
 

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No doubt about who is to blame for NIL. The state of California. They actually have ruined a lot of things. Sensible people are leaving the one party state in droves.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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The schools and NCAA all got greedy. I agree with others that the portal combined with NIL is the biggest issue.

My idea is that if you take NIL money, then you’re locked in for 2 years. The school also is locked into you. This will make the negotiations and amounts a little more conservative. If you don’t get to play, get hurt, have a better player take your spot, etc., you still get paid for two years. If you decide to leave after a year, you must sit for a year, you lose your NIL money and you can’t get money from the new school or their boosters until you are on the roster. There are a few benefits. Coaches don’t have to recruit you for at least one of the years of your tenure. You might actually buy into the team’s culture and want to stay instead of shopping around every November. It’s still not perfect but it would be a start. I’m sure the boosters would game the system to get an athlete to sit a year. I just hope that the high level of competitiveness would make that very unfavorable.
You can't do any of that until you have collective bargaining. One side can't make the rules that restrict the other side without their consent is what we have learned from all of this.

What really has to happen, and can be done by the schools, is for all of us second tier schools sue the NIL abusers and remove NIL as incentive all together. The schools themselves can have no contact with the NIL provider. Then setup a NIL contract review board that has to approve all NIL contracts to play in the NCAA. The only thing they are doing is making sure there is no link to play for a school. If a link is found, penalties need to be harsh and automatic on the schools only. The players are victims in this power struggle.

If boosters get burned enough, then maybe it all slows down. When Alabama boosters are paying the star QB for Auburn who just transferred there, fun will ensue.
 
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