Why is A&M perceived to be a coach away from great success?

[Uscg1984]

I just don't see any historical support for them being a coach away from becoming a juggernaut. I don't know why it has never happened, but it hasn't. They have all the money you could want. All the resources. All the talent. It's just never clicked.

Unless you think there's something in the water in College Station that prevents them from winning championships, none of that past has anything to do with the future if they want it bad enough. They haven't found the right guy. It's as simple as that. Now, if there's some underlying issue at A&M that keeps them from finding the right guy, then that's a different matter. But I strongly suspect that if you have enough money, your odds of finding the right guy are much improved.

Regardless, I hope they don't find the right guy. Because if they do, they will be insufferable.

 

[Cocky99]

I thought they would be a force to be reckoned with under that last Coach. Time flys, because I didn’t realize he was already 5 or 6 seasons. He wasn’t producing for what they were paying.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

What the alumnus thought of him has ZERO bearing on his rating or a coach. They could also be butt hurt about him abandoning ship. To say that makes him an average coach is just stupid.

You apparently did not read my post throughly. So I will highlight part of it below
"were not unhappy to see him go, and it had a lot more to do with than just a W/L record of the football team."

 

[Yard_Pimps]

You apparently did not read my post throughly. So I will highlight part of it below
"were not unhappy to see him go, and it had a lot more to do with than just a W/L record of the football team."

I read it fine. What you said has no bearing on the the quality of coach he is, no matter how much you want it to. That was my statement to your post and it holds true. I could care less what the alumnus thinks.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I read it fine. What you said has no bearing the the quality of coach he is, no matter how much you want it to.

I really have no agenda concerning Jimbo Fisher, whether it be positive or negative.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I really have no agenda concerning Jimbo Fisher, whether it be positive or negative.

Never said you did. But what an alumnus thinks about him again has no bearing on his talent as a coach. Of which he’s one of the best in the business, considering he’s one of 5 active coaches that actually have a national title .

 

[keepitreally]

Sometimes I think the "loyal fan base" thing is a little oversold too. I've seen plenty of empty seats at WB over the years.

I'm with you on that. You want to talk about a loyal fan base, think of Nebraska where they continue to sell out game after game despite a mediocre product.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Never said you did. But what an alumnus thinks about him again has no bearing on his talent as a coach. Of which he’s one of the best in the business, considering he’s one of 5 active coaches that actually have a national title .

As I stated (several times) it went beyond his job as a football coach.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

As I stated (several times) it went beyond his job as a football coach.

And again that has no bearing on his talent as a coach. You can keep saying the alumnus had an issue and that’s fine but that doesn’t decrease his quality as a top 5 coach in college football.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

And again that has no bearing on his talent as a coach. You can keep saying the alumnus had an issue and that’s fine but that doesn’t decrease his quality as a top 5 coach in college football.

The problem I have in your argument as a "top 5 college football coach" is his record at TAMU. 45-25 and never had a 10 win season, good but certainly not elite"
In considering that he had an abundance of resources at his disposal, it makes it difficult to consider him a "top 5" or elite coach.
His best years were between 2010-2016. Unless proven otherwise in the future, his best years appear to be behind him

 

[Yard_Pimps]

The problem I have in your argument as a "top 5 college football coach" is his record at TAMU. 45-25 and never had a 10 win season, good but certainly not elite"
In considering that he had an abundance of resources at his disposal, it makes it difficult to consider him a "top 5" or elite coach.
His best years were between 2010-2016. Unless proven otherwise in the future, his best years appear to be behind him

And his best years are better than all but 4 coaching the game.

Simple statistics says if you have done it one time you have a better chance than one who hasn’t. If I’m hiring give me jimbo in a new setting over any of the other non NC winners.

 

[Tngamecock]

You could say that about a lot of coaches. But he was at FSU for 8 years, won 10+ 6 of them, won the ACC 3 times, won the NC, won a BCS bowl, ws 5-2 in bowl games. It's not like he had 2 good years and that's it. Prior to him taking over they had 1 10 win season in the previous 9 years. No idea why it didn't translate other than just getting chewed up by the SEC. He never had a good QB either, which is a necessity in this league. I also remember early on him dicking around with playcalling...he was calling plays, then decided to let his OC call plays. I think that went on a few times, similar to how Malzahn finished at AU.

He is just living proof of how it’s easier to succeed in the ACC.

 

[Tngamecock]

what worries me the most……is the amount of people on this board who give a rat’s a$$ about Jimbo or TAMU. That place is strange.

 

[ToddFlanders]

And his best years are better than all but 4 coaching the game.

Simple statistics says if you have done it one time you have a better chance than one who hasn’t. If I’m hiring give me jimbo in a new setting over any of the other non NC winners.

Not true at all. Jimbo has a lot more in common with Les Miles, Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron than any multiple NC winners. Three won a NC because they lucked into a generational QB. Miles was the only 2-loss NC I can remember.

But winning one is never indicative of future success. In fact, Jimbo, Chizik, Miles, Orgeron, Fulmer all ended up getting fired.

 

[Big JC]

I'm with you on that. You want to talk about a loyal fan base, think of Nebraska where they continue to sell out game after game despite a mediocre product.

I think two factors are in play with Nebraska. First, their fans are still living off of the Osborne glory years and second, there isn't much else to do in Nebraska.

And his best years are better than all but 4 coaching the game.

Simple statistics says if you have done it one time you have a better chance than one who hasn’t. If I’m hiring give me jimbo in a new setting over any of the other non NC winners.

Would you fire Beamer tomorrow if Jimbo said he would like to coach at Carolina?

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I think two factors are in play with Nebraska. First, their fans are still living off of the Osborne glory years and second, there isn't much else to do in Nebraska.

Would you fire Beamer tomorrow if Jimbo said he would like to coach at Carolina?

Yes

 

[Deleted11512]

Yes

Yikes. I'm not hiring any more failed SEC coaches...that's for damn sure.

 

[Lurker123]

I think thebroot of all A&M's problems are those stupid "yell leaders".

Dump them, find a decent coach, and they'll be okay.

 

[KingWard]

And at A&M, the fact that they aren't blinking at a $77M buyout, let's you know how deep their crazy runs.

But don't confuse crazy with stupid. You don't amass the kind of money those boosters control by being stupid. This is just a sideline with them - a serious hobby. They've handled their essential businesses very well in order to do what they are able to do. I only wrote this because some people (not necessarily you) are insinuating that they are stupid. Whatever they are, it ain't that.

 

[KingWard]

That’s exactly what makes them a sleeping giant. They have everything they need. Just haven’t put it together. A lot of people say the same about us. When you look at the school size, alumni base, rabid fan base, great facilities, fertile recruiting grounds, Top 20-25 valuable program, etc…no reason for our history. The ingredients are there for a much better product.

 

[KingWard]

That’s exactly what makes them a sleeping giant. They have everything they need. Just haven’t put it together. A lot of people say the same about us. When you look at the school size, alumni base, rabid fan base, great facilities, fertile recruiting grounds, Top 20-25 valuable program, etc…no reason for our history. The ingredients are there for a much better product.

Used to. That's the line Dietzel pushed to get the Gamecock Club mobilized and to do the facility upgrades he did. Some people internalized that mantra but that didn't make it true. We only looked good back in the late 60's and early 70s compared to the ACC, which was not the SEC or the Big 10. Once people got around to see what the SEC schools were holding, we didn't look so good anymore.

With the arrival of Texas and OU, we just got less significant. We are and will continue to be middle of the SEC pack in terms of resources at best. Thankfully you don't need huge resources to do WBB well. You just need to be better than Connecticut.

 

[VZVZ]

Best facilities in college football. One of the best fanbases. One of the greatest atmospheres on a Saturday. More tradition than you can describe. Top three recruiting class in at least the last three years. A&M players all over the NFL. It’s like you aren’t doing the calculus. 4 and 5 stars do eventually lead to championships.

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

Best facilities in college football. One of the best fanbases. One of the greatest atmospheres on a Saturday. More tradition than you can describe. Top three recruiting class in at least the last three years. A&M players all over the NFL. It’s like you aren’t doing the calculus. 4 and 5 stars do eventually lead to championships.

You may mean "Most overrated facilities in college football". And their stadium is not attractive -- just big.

 

[Big JC]

Best facilities in college football. One of the best fanbases. One of the greatest atmospheres on a Saturday. More tradition than you can describe. Top three recruiting class in at least the last three years. A&M players all over the NFL. It’s like you aren’t doing the calculus. 4 and 5 stars do eventually lead to championships.

"Eventually" hasn't gotten to A&M in a damn long time.

 

[HWGcock]

Because they buy the best players. Supposedly the best.

 

[HWGcock]

Dumbo Fisher winning big at WVU?