Would you welcome Juice back with open arms??
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I want to win. If he wants to come back, I’m behind it. 
I think you'd have to have more information on what actually happened. I would expect Beamer to have that information so I would trust his decision.
From the limited information I have, I would say no because he's shown that he is not a team first player.
From the limited information I have, I would say no because he's shown that he is not a team first player.
I'd take him back, so long as Beamer determined it would not upset the locker room or team chemistry, as he is not a team guy. I would not welcome him back, though, and certainly not with open arms. It's obviously not happening...too much bad blood on both sides now...but IF he came back it'd obviously only be an NIL business decision by him. I'd never embrace him as a Gamecock, I don't care what kind of stats he put up.
I think it would be hard for other players to genuinely welcome back a player who could have played and helped in a big way last season but sat his butt on the sideline while they went out week after week and ground it out. I'm sure they would take him back b/c he makes the team better, but I wouldn't expect a lot of warm fuzzies.
You take him back, because that is what you need to win. Open arms? Who cares who is happy or sad about it? Dude can catch and score.
Agree with your first point. All we can do is trust Beamer to make the right decision for the team.
There are rumblings that it's not a done deal. I'll believe it when I see it. But I said from the beginning that I don't think Juice will find the deal he thinks is out there. As soon as I saw OM involved I knew there would be a possibility of him returning. OM loves to give everyone the notion that they're crushing it in NIL. I don't think they are. And I think Juice is finding that out. Dude just missed an entire year with an injury, and at the very least there was some controversy about his availability. I can't imagine anyone paying him more than he's currently getting.
Perhaps. Or perhaps they just want to win and don't place as much value on that as we do? One thing we have all learned is that there is no loyalty anymore, so why would they care?
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It has nothing less to do with him testing the portal waters than with how he conducted himself this season. If you've ever had a job where you busted your butt while others sat around and did nothing, you'd understand. This team was utterly decimated by injury and he could have been a difference maker but simply chose not to play when he could have. If you're a player who sacrificed on the field, you would have no respect for someone who chooses not to play. I am certain they'd take him back because he makes us better and, for better worse, winning trumps all else.
That said, for all these reasons, I'd be shocked if Beamer took him back. I don't know how much success he'll ultimately have, but I do respect how much emphasis he puts on team culture. Welcoming Antwane back would fly in the face of all of that.
I get all of that, and don't necessarily disagree.
But Beamer ain't lasting too long winning 5-6 games, culture be damned. He's at a crossroads. I said a couple of weeks ago he needs to attack this offseason like a caged animal. He's doing just that. IF Juice wants to stay, I don't know how he could tell him no at the point. Having a losing season kind of took a lot of that cache of goodwill away.
I get the rationale and not saying you're wrong.
I'm just not a win-at-all-cost kind of guy. I respect Dabo for resisting the portal so much. I don't care if everyone says you need to embrace it, I'd love to see someone win without being able to attribute it to the portal. But, as to Antwane, I'd rather see Beamer go down swinging doing it his way, than compromising what he believes in. Welcoming him back would be a major compromise on principles and values. That is part of what has soured me on pro sports as I have aged. I realized the players, the most part, don't give a crap what uniform they are wearing. There are exceedingly rare exceptions, like Derek Jeter. That was the charm of college football. For the most part, the players you had chose to play for you and wanted to actually be there. Were there exceptions, sure, but the norm was a team made of players who chose to play for your team b/c they wanted to play for your team.
But that's me. As I said previously, I know for most people, winning trumps everything else.
Social media has this image of a football team as a job, where things work like they do in an office or on the floor somewhere; doesn’t work that way. More like the military; these guys have been thru things you have to experience to understand, and their ‘job’ is to defeat the enemy so to speak. He would be welcomed back on the team because he serves, or has served, that purpose well.
The public is one thing; the team is another. First touchdown all will be forgiven.
The public is one thing; the team is another. First touchdown all will be forgiven.
The game is changing. Dabo will go down swinging. I hope Beamer avoids going down. He gets paid $6M/yr to win, not be a Boy Scout leader. There's where I'm at.
But I respect your view on it. I likely the correct view, just sucks that the game has changed in a way were that's devalued.
The military analogy crossed my mind, but I always cringe when people compare a game to men actually risking their lives.
That said, the military analogy actually works against Antwane's return. Guys who have fought have ZERO respect for those who wouldn't fight. They despise them, actually.
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The effort and comradery in both is comparable. If you took my statement to indicate a belief that playing football is the same as being shot and shelled, then geez,
I likewise cringe when people contraire just to be contrary.
Sorry, it was a bad analogy. Military men could not comprehend of someone who was able but refused to participate.
Its kinda like your hot girlfriend that cheated on you. At first you beat your chest and say never. Then she shows up at you door wearing a short dress that leaves zero to the imagination with some sweet perfume. You stop beating your chest and bring her back. Mind you, there has been some respect lost and you hope it won't happen again, but its hard to say no.
Thats where I am with Juice.
Thats where I am with Juice.
Why would you take him back? He did not play last year when he got healthy. Got paid for work he did not do. Other teams have seen that and he lost alot of offers.....
He was never healthy. He had 3 catches and 1 was for a TD vs GA when he reinjured his foot. By no means am I standing up for JW b/c I feel what he did was trash, but he is a talent. I mean, with a healthy Juice, maybe the outcomes for FL and CU look a little different.
If you were a top producer, maybe. If you were an entry level position, probably not.
Exactly. If you're a staff accountant, no. They would have forgotten you by then. If you're one of the top sales people in the company, they'd come up with some kind of cool story about how you came to your senses and couldn't leave your "family".
This is true. He did, in fact, TRY to come back. We're all relying on Twitter info to substantiate our thoughts that he quit on the team. We'll never know. And that's fine with me.
Yes, 100%, I would take him back. Hopefully he comes to the realization, we give the best haircuts, and comes back
lol, how delusional are you? Beamer was running out of ways to avoid saying "he's healthy but doesn't want to play."
Prior to the Clemson game, Loggains said: "You've got to make a decision about what's best for you and hopefully it aligns with the team. And sometimes it doesn't — and that's unfortunate."
That is not something you say about someone who's injured and can't play.
I don't know - fool me once shame on you, give him another chance to take the school's money and he sits out when he can play...
That said, I would trust Beamer's take on it. He knows more about how Wells would fit in the 2024 team, and if he could rely on him. At the same time, if no one else wanted him from the portal, that should reset everyone's expectations (his included).
That said, I would trust Beamer's take on it. He knows more about how Wells would fit in the 2024 team, and if he could rely on him. At the same time, if no one else wanted him from the portal, that should reset everyone's expectations (his included).
That's the crux of it. It's not just a player who tested the portal and changed his mind. He took NIL money and the refused to play.
Beamer is high character guy, so it would surprise me if he took him back, but I'd trust his judgment on it.