Would you welcome Juice back with open arms??

[Deleted11512]

I don't know - fool me once shame on you, give him another chance to take the school's money and he sits out when he can play...

That said, I would trust Beamer's take on it. He knows more about how Wells would fit in the 2024 team, and if he could rely on him. At the same time, if no one else wanted him from the portal, that should reset everyone's expectations (his included).

"Don't hate the player, hate the game". USC didn't pay Juice a dime.

It is interesting. If collective donors are really that concerned about it, they can always call up CR/GT and tell them they don't any of their money going to Juice. Local business owners can turn their backs on him. The free market will decide that aspect of it...not Shane Beamer.

 

[Kdaddy78]

lol, how delusional are you? Beamer was running out of ways to avoid saying "he's healthy but doesn't want to play."

Prior to the Clemson game, Loggains said: "You've got to make a decision about what's best for you and hopefully it aligns with the team. And sometimes it doesn't — and that's unfortunate."

That is not something you say about someone who's injured and can't play.

I am very delusional. Hence the reason I am a Gamecock fan.

 

[18IsTheMan]

"Don't hate the player, hate the game". USC didn't pay Juice a dime.

It is interesting. If collective donors are really that concerned about it, they can always call up CR/GT and tell them they don't any of their money going to Juice. Local business owners can turn their backs on him. The free market will decide that aspect of it...not Shane Beamer.

I just want someone so bereft of character on the team.

 

[gamecock stock]

Just taking the temp, that's all.

If I was married to Christie Brinkley or Elizabeth Hurley and either walked out on me, but then came back.......I'd welcome them back. So, sure, I'd welcome Juice back.

 

[Jaykid28]

Go back to your Tater board TATER

GFY again. and no, do not welcome the guy back

 

[DeBoer31]

Nope. Gotta set some kind of boundaries. Somebody wants to leave .... shake hands and turn your back so you can get to work (hopefully) getting a better version of the player that just left.

 

[CWW]

no

 

[Ole Cockeye]

Give him a hug? Nah! Let him come back? Maybe if he gets on his knees and asks for forgiveness.

 

[Deleted11512]

Listening to the ITG show, they're alluding to Juice finding out that other programs aren't valuing him as highly as he thought. Didn't just come out and say it, but danced around it. And the way he ended the season is a factor for TX and TN. Those two have talent and recruit that position well enough anyway. They don't need the risk. OM is more willing, but sounds like they may not be as excited as they were. Whether or not that's bc Juice isn't as interested or they're thinking has change, don't know. Also, they're hearing people inside the program (players and coaches) aren't as jaded with him as the fans are.

Here's the bottom line. An organization of grown men will either figure out how to deal with it or not. If he comes back, it will not have happened without reconciliation. So we just need to let it all play out.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Listening to the ITG show, they're alluding to Juice finding out that other programs aren't valuing him as highly as he thought. Didn't just come out and say it, but danced around it. And the way he ended the season is a factor for TX and TN. Those two have talent and recruit that position well enough anyway. They don't need the risk. OM is more willing, but sounds like they may not be as excited as they were. Whether or not that's bc Juice isn't as interested or they're thinking has change, don't know. Also, they're hearing people inside the program (players and coaches) aren't as jaded with him as the fans are.

Here's the bottom line. An organization of grown men will either figure out how to deal with it or not. If he comes back, it will not have happened without reconciliation. So we just need to let it all play out.

Well, no matter how it's presented, we'll all know the only reason he were to come back here would be: 1. He couldn't get the money he wanted somewhere else or 2. Nobody else wanted him at all. Some won't care how/why he ends up back here, and that's fine.

Personally, I'd love nothing more than to see him not find a landing spot, for Beamer to tell him "sorry, we've moved on" and have him land at some G5 school.

 

[FootballLVR]

No. He had his chance here and muffed it. He doesn't seem to have the kind of character that is needed to build a team.

 

[Blues man]

Yeah but probably not on scholarship.

 

[RUMMENIGGE]

 

[SuperCock99]

Maybe! depends on if we found another WR or not, and if Beamer can trust him coming back.
He missed alot towards the end of the season Beamer said something like he wasn't yet “mentally prepared” to return after injury. In the real world that typically means he isn’t feeling the game or team anymore. If thats the case, parting ways is always best. That type of employee can handicap a team. Someone else having to pull their weight. You can have all the physical talent in the world, but it doesn't help if your half speed mentally, which really means that you don’t want to be here. Juice is an above average WR, but not a generational talent like a Lattimore. Im leaning towards cutting ties.
Sorry Juice! I was here long before you, ill be here long after you. Bye girl!

 

[Goody]

 

[18IsTheMan]

Maybe depends in if we found another WR or not.
He missed alot last season/l- towards the end Beamer said something like he wasn't yet “mentally prepared” to return from injury. In the real world that typically means he isn’t feeling the game or team anymore. If thats the case, parting ways is always best.

Right. What’s the upside to bringing back a player who really doesn’t want to be here?

 

[Beanerball]

Simply, No.

 

[Forkcock]

If he wants to come back, it’s on him. HE needs to make amends with his teammates and his coaches.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

Right. What’s the upside to bringing back a player who really doesn’t want to be here?

Maybe he's a young kid who got bad advice? Or maybe he a young kid who tested the waters and learned it's not greener elsewhere and came to the realization he's already in the best spot for him?

It's a different landscape these days and it's not necessarily his fault CFB sucks now. I'd take him back if his teammates are willing to.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Maybe he's a young kid who got bad advice? Or maybe he a young kid who tested the waters and learned it's not greener elsewhere and came to the realization he's already in the best spot for him?

It's a different landscape these days and it's not necessarily his fault CFB sucks now. I'd take him back if his teammates are willing to.

Good grief, he's 22 years old. When are gonna stop calling people in their early 20s "kids"? Yeah, I know, he's comparatively young to many of us here and we look back on our early-20 selves and realize we didn't know much, but, seriously, take some responsibility. You're 22 years old. I hate the old "he's just a kid" cop out. There are 22 years olds who are Navy SEALs for Pete's Sake.

 

[Deleted11512]

Maybe he's a young kid who got bad advice? Or maybe he a young kid who tested the waters and learned it's not greener elsewhere and came to the realization he's already in the best spot for him?

It's a different landscape these days and it's not necessarily his fault CFB sucks now. I'd take him back if his teammates are willing to.

I feel…strange. I agree with everything you just said.

 

[SuperCock99]

Maybe he's a young kid who got bad advice? Or maybe he a young kid who tested the waters and learned it's not greener elsewhere and came to the realization he's already in the best spot for him?

It's a different landscape these days and it's not necessarily his fault CFB sucks now. I'd take him back if his teammates are willing to.

You realize that NCAA athletes are grown men in their early 20s. Half of them have full beards, tattoos all over the place and the size of an f150.

 

[Deleted11512]

They are young men, not young kids


You realize that NCAA athletes are grown men in their early 20s. Most of them the size of a refrigerator. Some with full beards and tattoos all over them……

Their brains are still mush though. As mine was at that age.

 

[Gradstudent]

Maybe he's a young kid who got bad advice? Or maybe he a young kid who tested the waters and learned it's not greener elsewhere and came to the realization he's already in the best spot for him?

It's a different landscape these days and it's not necessarily his fault CFB sucks now. I'd take him back if his teammates are willing to.

I like your take, in his last gibberish tweet, I comprehended it to be just as you said, I'm just trying to pursue a better financial life, while I can, stop being so mad at me.

I have been learning the language of gibberish in my spare time and think I have it as far as what Juice is trying to convey through tweet/x !

 

[Swifty]

Your frontal lobe isn't fully formed until your mid 20's. These guys are not fully matured adults. They are talented athletes and most have been pampered in that area of their lives for 5+ years and they have lots of people around them who never fully matured and who spray advice at them constantly. If he realizes he never should've entered the portal and wants to return, that's fine by me. I think the entire fan base would appreciate a statement alluding to "looking at my options" or "didn't mean for it to come off as it did" etc, etc. He's just immature and being told he should get what he can while he can get it. Nobody here ever had the opportunities that these guys have now, especially with the NIL factor added. If he decides to return and the coaches and other players are on board, then LFG. I'm sure not gonna root against him if he's out there contributing in the Garnet and Black.

 

[Evilchicken]

Adios Juice.

 

[Deleted11512]

I like your take, in his last gibberish tweet, I comprehended it to be just as you said, I'm just trying to pursue a better financial life, while I can, stop being so mad at me.

I have been learning the language of gibberish in my spare time and think I have it as far as what Juice is trying to convey through tweet/x !

Haha! I think you got it. I think he likes it here and doesn’t want to leave. Sounds like he had a bad situation back home and probably feels like he has to get all he can when he can.

 

[SuperCock99]

Your frontal lobe isn't fully formed until your mid 20's. These guys are not fully matured adults.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Your frontal lobe isn't fully formed until your mid 20's. These guys are not fully matured adults. They are talented athletes and most have been pampered in that area of their lives for 5+ years and they have lots of people around them who never fully matured and who spray advice at them constantly. If he realizes he never should've entered the portal and wants to return, that's fine by me. I think the entire fan base would appreciate a statement alluding to "looking at my options" or "didn't mean for it to come off as it did" etc, etc. He's just immature and being told he should get what he can while he can get it. Nobody here ever had the opportunities that these guys have now, especially with the NIL factor added. If he decides to return and the coaches and other players are on board, then LFG. I'm sure not gonna root against him if he's out there contributing in the Garnet and Black.

Oh brother.

I hate to drag the analogy out since it's used too much, but teenagers stormed the beaches of Normandy, but a 23 year old today is coddled b/c his frontal lobe isn't fully formed yet? My stars.

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

Just taking the temp, that's all.

Coach Beamer doesn't have thick skin and I believe his faith would require him to give a second chance to anyone who is truly remorseful. He can't be "Ted Lasso" if he slams the door on people that stab him in the back. Personally, I think if Juice is willing to humble himself and perhaps speak to the players openly about what happened and how he feels about it, then sure, why not. Is he still a Gamecock at heart? Look at how people have overlooked Kiffin and all his antics and betrayals. Sadly, football is about results. Anyway, I believe in giving people second chances...

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

In Juice's case, I also think there might be an element of "they pushed me back too soon when I was healing a broken foot". I've seen a lot of professional athletes (mainly in soccer) who were pushed back on the field earlier than was medically appropriate and it torpedoed their professional careers. Yes, he may have been selfish and uncommitted but he also may have felt they were overlooking the potential damage to his future pro career if his injury was re-aggravated. I think he could talk it out with Shane, man to man, and get past all this. Sadly, the ship may have sailed anyway because we've brought on enough help that we aren't in desperate need anymore and scholarships are being used up. People sometimes overlook how devastating being labeled as "damaged goods" can be for a skill player. It can end a career just on inuendo.

 

[gamecock stock]

I hope he comes back. He is needed. What are the chances? Anyone?

 

[accock]

GFY again. and no, do not welcome the guy back

 

[accock]

Their brains are still mush though. As mine was at that age.

 

[Taco73]

Just taking the temp, that's all.id

 

[Taco73]

Just taking the temp, that's all.

In principle, don't spend more money on no return. What's to say his issues goes to next year? Given our history with injuries maybe best to part ways. If Juice comes back to make up some of the money he took from us then ok. We would be rolling the dice on the guy if what I have heard is true. If he sand bagged even just a game or 2 I don't want him back. Go be a merc somewhere else. If someone knows otherwise completely open.

 

[Swifty]

Oh brother.

I hate to drag the analogy out since it's used too much, but teenagers stormed the beaches of Normandy, but a 23 year old today is coddled b/c his frontal lobe isn't fully formed yet? My stars.

Theirs weren't fully formed, either. And most of those youngsters who stormed that beach were drafted and made to do it. Not even close to being a relevant analogy. Society is completely different now.

 

[Big JC]

I get the rationale and not saying you're wrong.

I'm just not a win-at-all-cost kind of guy. I respect Dabo for resisting the portal so much. I don't care if everyone says you need to embrace it, I'd love to see someone win without being able to attribute it to the portal. But, as to Antwane, I'd rather see Beamer go down swinging doing it his way, than compromising what he believes in. Welcoming him back would be a major compromise on principles and values. That is part of what has soured me on pro sports as I have aged. I realized the players, the most part, don't give a crap what uniform they are wearing. There are exceedingly rare exceptions, like Derek Jeter. That was the charm of college football. For the most part, the players you had chose to play for you and wanted to actually be there. Were there exceptions, sure, but the norm was a team made of players who chose to play for your team b/c they wanted to play for your team.

But that's me. As I said previously, I know for most people, winning trumps everything else.

I think UGA won back to back national championships with either none or one portal player. If a coach can recruit at a high level he doesn't have to go after castoffs and underperformers in the portal. Trying to plug roster holes with portal players is like playing wack-a-mole.

 

[Big JC]

If I was married to Christie Brinkley or Elizabeth Hurley and either walked out on me, but then came back.......I'd welcome them back. So, sure, I'd welcome Juice back.

What if neither one had had sex with you for the previous year?

 

[Big JC]

Theirs weren't fully formed, either. And most of those youngsters who stormed that beach were drafted and made to do it. Not even close to being a relevant analogy. Society is completely different now.

It is a very relevant analogy. Most WW2 soldiers were in their late teens to maybe 22 with officers in their mid to late 20s. The average age of a soldier in Vietnam was 19. Alexander the Great was in his early 20s when he became king and started defeating other empires. Napoleon was 24 at the Siege of Toulon where he commanded the French troops.

If 18-21 year olds are not mentally capable of complex thought, they should not be allowed to vote or sign legally binding contracts.