Maybe he knew before the public? I mean they (regretfully) did the whole raw tribute before the public knew what actually happened.
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Maybe he knew before the public? I mean they (regretfully) did the whole raw tribute before the public knew what actually happened.
Never good when the judge says to the defendant “you have to prove these five things wrong because it’s assumed true”
How do you know even prove stuff didn’t happen when you deleted the evidence that could have potentially proved it?
That would be like the judge telling me to prove I didn’t go to the park on Saturday after I deleted all my location history on my phone. What else am I supposed to do when I stayed home by myself all day?
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Also, one of the things that has to be treated true is a promise. It's about as close to impossible as it can be to prove in a court of law that you didn't make a promise without very strict qualifiers attached to it.
Like if someone claimed I promised I would do X then I can't prove I didn't. I can't provide every word I've ever written and said in my entire life. And even if I could, it would be impossible for me to prove that what I presented was a 100% complete record of every word I've ever said and written.
if you claimed I promised on On3 that I would do X then I could theoretically provide a complete record of everything written and said on here under the username American Dragon. But then I'd have to be able to prove every single account on On3 didn't make said promise because it's possible to have multiple accounts and I can't prove I don't have multiple accounts. For the record, I don't, just putting that out there lol.
Even if the qualifiers were I promised on On3 under the username American Dragon then I could theoretically provide a record of every post and message I sent because I can't delete posts at least. Not sure about messages but for simplicity sake let's just assume I can't delete messages either. But I've edited some of the posts, so I'd need to be able to provide a complete history of every edit I made as well because I could have potentially edited out a promise. And I definitely can't provide a complete record of every edit I've ever made unless On3 keeps that on record.
The qualifiers would basically have to be the promise was made in a post that was last posted and/or edited before X date at X time (because posts can be edited into perpetuity I believe) on On3 under the username American Dragon. And even then there is probably something I am forgetting that could fail in court.
Like if someone claimed I promised I would do X then I can't prove I didn't. I can't provide every word I've ever written and said in my entire life. And even if I could, it would be impossible for me to prove that what I presented was a 100% complete record of every word I've ever said and written.
if you claimed I promised on On3 that I would do X then I could theoretically provide a complete record of everything written and said on here under the username American Dragon. But then I'd have to be able to prove every single account on On3 didn't make said promise because it's possible to have multiple accounts and I can't prove I don't have multiple accounts. For the record, I don't, just putting that out there lol.
Even if the qualifiers were I promised on On3 under the username American Dragon then I could theoretically provide a record of every post and message I sent because I can't delete posts at least. Not sure about messages but for simplicity sake let's just assume I can't delete messages either. But I've edited some of the posts, so I'd need to be able to provide a complete history of every edit I made as well because I could have potentially edited out a promise. And I definitely can't provide a complete record of every edit I've ever made unless On3 keeps that on record.
The qualifiers would basically have to be the promise was made in a post that was last posted and/or edited before X date at X time (because posts can be edited into perpetuity I believe) on On3 under the username American Dragon. And even then there is probably something I am forgetting that could fail in court.
Depends on a lot of things, but mostly is anyone that has the power to fire him going to care? Doubtful, because Endeavor doesn't care about anything but money.
Slap your wife on camera? All good.
Say the most wildly bigoted stuff you'll ever heard on a live mic? All good.
Be named in a sex trafficking lawsuit? All good.
Work to cover up the alleged actions in said lawsuit? All good.
Defraud customers? All good.
WWE doesn't have anti-doping policies. Look at the roster. And if they do it either isn't enforced or you got to use so much of the stuff that make having the policy pointless. You don't put on muscle as fast as many WWE wrestlers do without using some form of PEDs
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as Scott Steiner once said, "i'll do a test for steroids whenever Triple H does"
it's totally obvious if you look at him. next thing you're gonna be telling me had a hair transplant..
I hope the sales pick up. As I’ve said before, the more wrestling the better, so it would be great for them to make some money.
Alright here's another old school topic for the wrestling nerds. What are some big missed opportunities in your mind? Prospects that never panned out, face or heel turns that didn't work, pushes that never happened, etc. Here's a few. I'll try to avoid the most obvious ones:
Bam Bam Bigelow (WWF, 1987): Everybody remembers his later heel run where he fought LT, and his time in ECW. But in his original babyface WWF run, he was electric and immediately seemed destined for a main event spot...until he didn't. He got heat with other big men for taking their spot, he was relegated to a role as a Hogan lackey, and he was soon out the door. (RIP)
Curt Hennig (WCW, 1997): One of the greatest workers of the decade jumps ship during the peak of the Monday Night Wars and they...make him just another nWo guy. I know he had injury issues, but he deserved better. (RIP)
Jeff Jarrett (WWF, 1999): This one may be unpopular but after he got past the awful NWA "invasion" angle and the country singer gimmick, Double J was getting some serious heat. He's always been great at working the crowds and the male chauvinist angle helped him get over in the Russo era of Raw. But then he...just kept fighting women. That was his whole shtick. Why?
Raven (WWF, 2000): This dude is seriously underrated as having a great mind for the business. But his most memorable WWF moment was either nearly cutting off the power to WrestleMania 17 with a golf cart, or breaking Perry Saturn's mop. I'm not sure why Vince even wanted him if he was just gonna put him in a bunch of mindless hardcore matches.
Bam Bam Bigelow (WWF, 1987): Everybody remembers his later heel run where he fought LT, and his time in ECW. But in his original babyface WWF run, he was electric and immediately seemed destined for a main event spot...until he didn't. He got heat with other big men for taking their spot, he was relegated to a role as a Hogan lackey, and he was soon out the door. (RIP)
Curt Hennig (WCW, 1997): One of the greatest workers of the decade jumps ship during the peak of the Monday Night Wars and they...make him just another nWo guy. I know he had injury issues, but he deserved better. (RIP)
Jeff Jarrett (WWF, 1999): This one may be unpopular but after he got past the awful NWA "invasion" angle and the country singer gimmick, Double J was getting some serious heat. He's always been great at working the crowds and the male chauvinist angle helped him get over in the Russo era of Raw. But then he...just kept fighting women. That was his whole shtick. Why?
Raven (WWF, 2000): This dude is seriously underrated as having a great mind for the business. But his most memorable WWF moment was either nearly cutting off the power to WrestleMania 17 with a golf cart, or breaking Perry Saturn's mop. I'm not sure why Vince even wanted him if he was just gonna put him in a bunch of mindless hardcore matches.
Bret Hart in WCW absolutely demands to be on that list. What a botch!
I know this was due to injury but the biggest what if in wrestling is Magnum TA. I think he would have cut into Flair's time as champ by a lot.
Off the top of my head the first one that comes to mind is Blitzkrieg. Guy blew up for one year in WCW in 1999 when WCW was going all in on the lucha libre stuff. That was his only year as a full-time wrestler. Won WON Rookie of the Year and ranked in the Top 50 of the PWI. Proceeded to retire from wrestling before the year even ended and had just 54 career matches. Guy could have made a killing during the golden era of the indies and possibly ended up in NXT when they decided to turn it into basically an indie with a budget.
This tells me TNA thinks there’s a legitimate chance he’s going to AEW. If they thought he was a lock for WWE then they would have no problem with him breaking the record
Congrats to 52 year old Edge Copeland on receiving his first 5-star rating from Dave Meltzer.
Edge spent like 15 years in WWE, was involved in a legendary TLC match that's still remembered today, won tag titles several times, won the world title several times, became a main eventer for several years...and he just happened to get his first five star rating now? In AEW? Not saying it's undeserved, I'm saying this should probably be his 3rd or 4th five star match. Meltzer gonna Meltzer though. His readership has gotta be made up of 80% hardcore AEW fans and 20% hardcore fans who've been with him for decades. Like I said before, as great as Ospreay is, in 15 years he's going to have 75 five star matches and Kurt Angle 0.
I always wanted Vader pushed to the moon but The Kliq wasn't going to allow that to happen.
I think Owen was about done, at least that became the narrative after he died. Who's to say though. He dies in May and Angle shows up in Nov. and Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, and Saturn in Jan. What could've been.
Bret will always be the answer. Fans use 'fumble' wayyy too much now days. Hart in WCW after the Screwjob was the ultimate fumble.
I always wanted Vader pushed to the moon but The Kliq wasn't going to allow that to happen.
I think Owen was about done, at least that became the narrative after he died. Who's to say though. He dies in May and Angle shows up in Nov. and Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, and Saturn in Jan. What could've been.
Bret will always be the answer. Fans use 'fumble' wayyy too much now days. Hart in WCW after the Screwjob was the ultimate fumble.
Kurt Angle having zero 5-star matches is egregious, but who you dance with also matters. I know Kenny Omega has said he believes Angle is his personal GOAT in the ring and it’s easy to see why. The advantage people have in AEW is a great wrestler will be given the right opponent for that five star match, and the time needed to tell the story for that five star match. Ultimately, I never understood people being upset about Meltzer’s ratings — they are his own opinion and he’s never claimed them to be anything more than that.
Angle should have many 5-star matches though.
It’s b/c people confuse his opinion with fact and take his words like it’s the bible.
I think Meltzer was traditionally strict with his ratings which is why all-time greats and legends have 0 to say, 3 and now he's overcorrected to a point that he'll give a 6.5 star rating which breaks his personal scale and fanboy to a point where (not to pick on him but...) Ospreay could do a backflip into his own British deuce and according to recent history, it'd be better than a Kurt Angle match. He's actually given higher ratings to WWE matches in recent months as well so maybe he's just softened at his old age.
It's like with the Oscars, the committee overcorrected to a point where Sinners was up for 16 Oscars. I loved the movie but 16 Oscars for a cool blues/vampire flick?
It’s not a surprise. Anyone rating something based on opinion is going to begin changing over time. I like Meltzer’s ratings — I enjoy hearing what he thinks. That’s as far as it goes. I think many people, like Laparkafan said, take what he says as fact. It’s just a wrestling nerd’s take on a wrestling match. No more or less.
Supposedly he had a match last night on the European tour and was limping so it’s kinda tbd.
Nobody knew Logan Paul was legit hurt until after his match the other week.
And AEW wrestlers aren't held back in the ring as much as they are in WWE.
There's been a lot of inflation with his ratings. The Okada-Omega series of matches drove him over the edge.
For the record, his firs match rating that went above 5.0 was Flair vs. Steamboat in 1989, he gave that 6 stars. He didn't rate another match 5.25 or higher until Okada-Omega in January 2017. Since then, there hav been another 86 matches to rank 5.25 and above.