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It's not passing the smell test for me. Two games remaining against Rutgers and MSU. Both should be wins regardless of the OC. Why not wait until a post season evaluation? I feel something happened between Franklin and Yurcich with Franklin considering it to be egregious behavior of some sort and Yurcich was promptly fired. This is just me and not based on anything that I've heard
 
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It's not passing the smell test for me. Two games remaining against Rutgers and MSU. Both should be wins regardless of the OC. Why not wait until a post season evaluation? I feel something happened between Franklin and Yurcich with Franklin considering it to be egregious behavior of some sort and he was was promptly fired. This is just me and not based 0on anything that I've heard
Thought the same when I was told yesterday. If it were going to happen, the Sunday following MSU game seemed logical.

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The TIMING of the decision makes it pretty clear to me Franklin is doing this primarily to protect HIS ***, as opposed to protecting (and helping) the team as a whole.

You better believe that this sort of nonsense will also gets talked about in the coaching community.

Yurcich isn't Brian Ferentz or Alex Grinch. Those guys should have been relieved of their duties years ago: for emotional reasons, Kirk and Lincoln simply struggled to do it. And even Brian is finishing out the season.

Letting Yurcich go now has a layer of cruelty to it. Franklin is saying: "off with your head with no warning, to protect my head.."
 

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It's not passing the smell test for me. Two games remaining against Rutgers and MSU. Both should be wins regardless of the OC. Why not wait until a post season evaluation? I feel something happened between Franklin and Yurcich with Franklin considering it to be egregious behavior of some sort and Yurcich was promptly fired. This is just me and not based on anything that I've heard
I agree. To paraphrase part of CJF press talk today, he said something like when you feel like something has to be done I'm not the kind of guy who can hide my feelings. So I thought it was better to just do it now. Also something along the lines of hiring a new OC is a full-time job and I have a full time job with the next two games, so I don't really have the time to commit to hiring a new OC. So CJF had to be pissed to do it during the season.
 

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Some insider info indicates that it is not Franklin CYA at all. Yurcich was put on notice after OSU. Total dysfunction amongst the offensive staff. A plan would be worked on together then Yurcich would go “rogue”. This caused confusion between the OL protections, QB, RBs, WRs. Same crap happened Saturday and don’t think for one second that stupid play design for the last 2 point conversion was a little of Yurcich flipping the bird and that may have been the last straw.
 

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Some insider info indicates that it is not Franklin CYA at all. Yurcich was put on notice after OSU. Total dysfunction amongst the offensive staff. A plan would be worked on together then Yurcich would go “rogue”. This caused confusion between the OL protections, QB, RBs, WRs. Same crap happened Saturday and don’t think for one second that stupid play design for the last 2 point conversion was a little of Yurcich flipping the bird and that may have been the last straw.
Yep. There has been growing discontent between Franklin and Yurcich and it finally boiled over on Saturday. This was a decision several weeks in the making. Some of you should pay the $1 per month to get the inside scoop from the great analysts at On3. And, I’ve said this repeatedly since yesterday, MY is also the QB coach. We have a 5 star QB who has no confidence and struggles to go through proper progression when under pressure. That has nothing to do with Franklin and everything to do with MY.
 

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Yep. There has been growing discontent between Franklin and Yurcich and it finally boiled over on Saturday. This was a decision several weeks in the making. Some of you should pay the $1 per month to get the inside scoop from the great analysts at On3. And, I’ve said this repeatedly since yesterday, MY is also the QB coach. We have a 5 star QB who has no confidence and struggles to go through proper progression when under pressure. That has nothing to do with Franklin and everything to do with MY.
I loved the 2 pt play!!! Used that O an entire game in HS !!
 
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I loved the 2 pt play!!! Used that O an entire game in HS !!

Yeah, maybe there is something to build on from that play. I like the idea of having our offensive line far removed from the play. That way I get to see them block nobody against air as oppose to opposing D-lines.

Being serious, I've heard a few rumors that MY wasn't getting along with the O-coaches and a few high profile players.
 

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It's not passing the smell test for me. Two games remaining against Rutgers and MSU. Both should be wins regardless of the OC. Why not wait until a post season evaluation? I feel something happened between Franklin and Yurcich with Franklin considering it to be egregious behavior of some sort and Yurcich was promptly fired. This is just me and not based on anything that I've heard
Exactly what I felt. My bet is that Yurcich said something on the line of giving him total control of the offense, much like Diaz has control of the defense. I have zero confidence that this was an amicability split.
 

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I loved the 2 pt play!!! Used that O an entire game in HS !!
Typical flippant reaction. I’m not saying all is well in Mudville, but MY’s departure appears to be necessary. At least I try to do research to form an educated opinion.
 

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Yep. There has been growing discontent between Franklin and Yurcich and it finally boiled over on Saturday. This was a decision several weeks in the making. Some of you should pay the $1 per month to get the inside scoop from the great analysts at On3. And, I’ve said this repeatedly since yesterday, MY is also the QB coach. We have a 5 star QB who has no confidence and struggles to go through proper progression when under pressure. That has nothing to do with Franklin and everything to do with MY.
Yep. There has been growing discontent between Franklin and Yurcich and it finally boiled over on Saturday. This was a decision several weeks in the making. Some of you should pay the $1 per month to get the inside scoop from the great analysts at On3. And, I’ve said this repeatedly since yesterday, MY is also the QB coach. We have a 5 star QB who has no confidence and struggles to go through proper progression when under pressure. That has nothing to do with Franklin and everything to do with MY.
When did the On3 analysts first post the inside scoop on this situation. Serious question.
 

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When did the On3 analysts first post the inside scoop on this situation. Serious question.
They have been hinting at it for weeks. I’m not going to try to sell you on subscribing, but the value I get from their insights and understanding of the program provides me a different view of how things are getting done and why. And, the film study in and of itself is worth the price of admission because it provides a realistic view of why plays work or don’t work. In other words, when a play doesn’t work, its not always because it was a bad play call.
 
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It's not passing the smell test for me. Two games remaining against Rutgers and MSU. Both should be wins regardless of the OC. Why not wait until a post season evaluation? I feel something happened between Franklin and Yurcich with Franklin considering it to be egregious behavior of some sort and Yurcich was promptly fired. This is just me and not based on anything that I've heard
Recruit signing day is in Dec. Would be better to have this resolved BEFORE that. If Franklin waited until the end of the season, there's a good chance he wouldn't have a new OC in time to prepare new recruits. Recruits aren't going to want to sign not knowing who the OC is going to be. At least no offensive players. Rip the bandaid off now.
 
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They have been hinting at it for weeks. I’m not going to try to sell you on subscribing, but the value I get from their insights and understanding of the program provides me a different view of how things are getting done and why. And, the film study in and of itself is worth the price of admission because it provides a realistic view of why plays work or don’t work. In other words, when a play doesn’t work, its not always because it was a bad play call.
I have been hearing the same thing, they'd develop a game plan during the week, then come Saturday MY would sort of deviate. Obviously, it started with OSU, but UM brought it to a head. I don't have an answer as to why JF just didn't over rule him and tell him to stay to the game plan developed.
 

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I have been hearing the same thing, they'd develop a game plan during the week, then come Saturday MY would sort of deviate. Obviously, it started with OSU, but UM brought it to a head. I don't have an answer as to why JF just didn't over rule him and tell him to stay to the game plan developed.
Maybe because MY has been hiding upstairs this year. I didn't like that idea when it came about. He should have been on the field especially with a young QB
 
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I have been hearing the same thing, they'd develop a game plan during the week, then come Saturday MY would sort of deviate. Obviously, it started with OSU, but UM brought it to a head. I don't have an answer as to why JF just didn't over rule him and tell him to stay to the game plan developed.
It just seems like the analysts around Franklin along with Franklin himself could have said get back on the plan if they were deviating. Did they? Who knows. Allar certainly doesn’t seem to have much fortitude or any ability to sense what is in front of him and free wheel it a little bit.

was MY deficient? Possibly, probably, maybe. can Franklin and several other coaches and analysts be assigned some of the blame? Absolutely.

When a coach loses a portion of the team or the entire team it’s on the HC. If Franklin felt this way after Ohio State game he should have pulled the trigger then.
 
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Some insider info indicates that it is not Franklin CYA at all. Yurcich was put on notice after OSU. Total dysfunction amongst the offensive staff. A plan would be worked on together then Yurcich would go “rogue”. This caused confusion between the OL protections, QB, RBs, WRs. Same crap happened Saturday and don’t think for one second that stupid play design for the last 2 point conversion was a little of Yurcich flipping the bird and that may have been the last straw.

I don't believe that "Yurcich is going rogue" for a second. Not even a hundreth of a second.

God, that sounds like Michigan's explanation for Connor Stalions ---- that he "went rogue."

Anyway, even if what you posted was true: whose damn fault is that? Franklin's here in his 10th season and he has an offensive staff that is totally disfunctional??? Sounds like a failure on the part of "Coach CEO." Dude can't manage people.
 

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The TIMING of the decision makes it pretty clear to me Franklin is doing this primarily to protect HIS ***, as opposed to protecting (and helping) the team as a whole.

You better believe that this sort of nonsense will also gets talked about in the coaching community.

Yurcich isn't Brian Ferentz or Alex Grinch. Those guys should have been relieved of their duties years ago: for emotional reasons, Kirk and Lincoln simply struggled to do it. And even Brian is finishing out the season.

Letting Yurcich go now has a layer of cruelty to it. Franklin is saying: "off with your head with no warning, to protect my head.."
As much as I would like to agree with you, the buyout for Franklin is way too much for Penn State to pay. If your comment meant just deflecting in the meantime, I would agree but he has been blowing through OCs left and right.

The fact that Clifford was drafted in the 5th round, won the backup QB role, and even was lobbied to start at times is all I need to know from the prior offensive approach. It has been atrocious at best
 

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I don't believe that "Yurcich is going rogue" for a second. Not even a hundreth of a second.

God, that sounds like Michigan's explanation for Connor Stalions ---- that he "went rogue."

Anyway, even if what you posted was true: whose damn fault is that? Franklin's here in his 10th season and he has an offensive staff that is totally disfunctional??? Sounds like a failure on the part of "Coach CEO." Dude can't manage people.
Another reactionary post without having any context over the past few weeks. It wasn’t MY going rogue. It was MY getting impatient and not following the game plan they laid out during the week, e.g. the trick plays at stupid times. But, yeah, the “dude can’t manage people” is the logical conclusion.
 

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I don't believe that "Yurcich is going rogue" for a second. Not even a hundreth of a second.

God, that sounds like Michigan's explanation for Connor Stalions ---- that he "went rogue."

Anyway, even if what you posted was true: whose damn fault is that? Franklin's here in his 10th season and he has an offensive staff that is totally disfunctional??? Sounds like a failure on the part of "Coach CEO." Dude can't manage people.
opinions are fun
 

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If you think Diaz is leaving in a few weeks for a HC job, might as well get your search started for an OC, particularly if you think there's going to be competition for the guy you want. Also, gives him a chance to evaluate Seider/Howle last two weeks of the season.
 

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I’ll play devils advocate. JF talks to MY before games, during games thru headset, during halftime. How could MY go rogue that easily? JF said after the Iowa game that he told MY not to get impatient with the way the game was going and to keep calling the plays that were working. MY did it. If Joe didn’t like the way things were going, he started calling the plays. Why is this supposedly so dysfunctional right now? Doesn’t the buck stop at the head coach?
 

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I’ll play devils advocate. JF talks to MY before games, during games thru headset, during halftime. How could MY go rogue that easily? JF said after the Iowa game that he told MY not to get impatient with the way the game was going and to keep calling the plays that were working. MY did it. If Joe didn’t like the way things were going, he started calling the plays. Why is this supposedly so dysfunctional right now? Doesn’t the buck stop at the head coach?
Didn’t the buck stop at the head coach when MY got fired yesterday?
 
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No. The gist of my post is that it seems like blame shifting and dysfunction. It’s on the head coach.
Again, lack of context and seeing people inside the program providing hints for several weeks. I get that you want this to be all Franklin’s fault and believe he’s making MY the scapegoat. If that’s your opinion and facts won’t change it, so be it.
 

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I don't believe that "Yurcich is going rogue" for a second. Not even a hundreth of a second.

God, that sounds like Michigan's explanation for Connor Stalions ---- that he "went rogue."

Anyway, even if what you posted was true: whose damn fault is that? Franklin's here in his 10th season and he has an offensive staff that is totally disfunctional??? Sounds like a failure on the part of "Coach CEO." Dude can't manage people.
Six OCs in ten years points to the boss being a problem
 

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Another reactionary post without having any context over the past few weeks. It wasn’t MY going rogue. It was MY getting impatient and not following the game plan they laid out during the week, e.g. the trick plays at stupid times. But, yeah, the “dude can’t manage people” is the logical conclusion.
MY may have called the first stupid pet trick play without Franklin knowing or signing off but you can damn well believe Franklin had a hand in or agreed to all the others if the first caught him off guard.
 
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Yep. There has been growing discontent between Franklin and Yurcich and it finally boiled over on Saturday. This was a decision several weeks in the making. Some of you should pay the $1 per month to get the inside scoop from the great analysts at On3. And, I’ve said this repeatedly since yesterday, MY is also the QB coach. We have a 5 star QB who has no confidence and struggles to go through proper progression when under pressure. That has nothing to do with Franklin and everything to do with MY.
That’s how I see it. Franklin said immediately after the game that they need to call some easy pass plays to get Allar in a rhythm “like everybody else does”. After basically doing that against Maryland, MY went back to the same old same old—calling predictable runs between the tackles which resulted far too often in third and long and obvious passing situations against a strong defense.
 

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It just seems like the analysts around Franklin along with Franklin himself could have said get back on the plan if they were deviating. Did they? Who knows. Allar certainly doesn’t seem to have much fortitude or any ability to sense what is in front of him and free wheel it a little bit.

was MY deficient? Possibly, probably, maybe. can Franklin and several other coaches and analysts be assigned some of the blame? Absolutely.

When a coach loses a portion of the team or the entire team it’s on the HC. If Franklin felt this way after Ohio State game he should have pulled the trigger then.
Who said Franklin has lost any members of the team? Based on on Ioane’s comment to one of the fans heckling Franklin that hardly seems to be the case.
 
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Who said Franklin has lost any members of the team? Based on on Ioane’s comment to one of the fans heckling Franklin that hardly seems to be the case.
Yeah, should not have posted that here. Go join the Lions Den to find out.
 

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Another reactionary post without having any context over the past few weeks. It wasn’t MY going rogue. It was MY getting impatient and not following the game plan they laid out during the week, e.g. the trick plays at stupid times. But, yeah, the “dude can’t manage people” is the logical conclusion.
Precisely. I think there was a discussion with MY after OSU and the play calling was better against Maryland but back to the same old turtling up against Michigan.
 
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