⚽️ Game Thread: SECT Semi vs SC
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You should get 2 points for kicking the ball in the concession stand window
Is this similar to SEC Baseball Tournament… if you got a good team, you want an early exit to rest the starters?
A win, maybe 2 in the big tourney and that'll be the end.
It's good we got to have a little bit of fun with this year.
It's good we got to have a little bit of fun with this year.
Somewhat, if State was locked into their seeding. Dropping this one makes the resume a bit shaky for being one of the top 4 seeds in the NCAA Tournament. They'll need some help to secure one, more than likely.
I could look up Man City, Liverpool, Real Madrid...and the like getting similar thumpings during fantastic years. It happens. What matters is the response.
Florida State beat Wake Forest on PK’s.
I think that probably locks up a top 4 spot for FSU and eliminates Wake.
Texas and Arkansas are tied 1-1 halfway through the second half. We want Texas to win this one as that probably gives us a leg up on Arkansas. If Arkansas wins the SEC Tourney, I think they lock up a top 4 seed.
Duke probably has the number 1 overall seed locked up. They’re about to play UNC. I think if UNC wins out, they’re going to get a top 4 spot.
All that to say, we should be rooting for Texas and Duke tonight.
I think that probably locks up a top 4 spot for FSU and eliminates Wake.
Texas and Arkansas are tied 1-1 halfway through the second half. We want Texas to win this one as that probably gives us a leg up on Arkansas. If Arkansas wins the SEC Tourney, I think they lock up a top 4 seed.
Duke probably has the number 1 overall seed locked up. They’re about to play UNC. I think if UNC wins out, they’re going to get a top 4 spot.
All that to say, we should be rooting for Texas and Duke tonight.
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I think any chance of a top 4 seed ended with that beatdown. Everything's been easy for most of the conference season, but they got exposed tonight. Missing Izquierdo badly. Team and coaches need to do a lot of soul searching and make some adjustments. Good news is 1st round will be an easy game, so 2 weeks before a really competitive game, and rounds 2 & 3 should be at home. But I think Elite 8 is the ceiling for this team, which is really what I thought it was all along.
I’m not as pessimistic about our seeding. Yes, tonight sucked, but Arkansas just lost to Texas. We were above Arkansas in the RPI before that and now we’ve both lost in the same round of the SEC tourney to similar RPI ranks (USCe 17, Texas 23), but we were the regular season champions and won the head to head. I think we’re in over Arkansas.
We were above USCw in the RPI rankings coming in to tonight. They just lost to Rutgers, the 36 RPI team. I think we’re in over USCw.
Now, where it gets tricky is the ACC. I feel like the only way we don’t get into the Top 4 is if there is an all ACC top 4 and I don’t think there’s going to be.
If UNC beats Duke tonight (Duke is winning 1-0 at halftime) and then beats Florida State in the ACC finals, then they’re probably a top 4 seed. I feel like that’s the only way they’re a top 4. They’ll have 5 losses if they don’t win out.
So let’s say, UNC wins out. I feel like that puts them and Duke in. 2 spots gone.
I think Florida State is the next top 4 spot. They were sitting at #6 RPI and now have the Wake Forest win and a spot in the ACC finals against the #1 or #3 RPI team . Even with a loss to UNC (3 RPI) in the finals, they’re probably in.
So, now it comes down to a question of Wake Forest. Wake Forest was sitting at 7 in RPI before losing to Florida State tonight. That’s still a “good” loss. And while they do have a head to head win against us, the committee would have to put in a 4 loss, 2 draw team in over a 2 loss conference champion.
Could they do that? Sure, but I would rather be in our position than theirs.
If Duke takes care of UNC tonight, I think the top 4 are:
Duke
Florida State
Mississippi State
One of these:
Arkansas
Southern Cal
UNC
Wake Forest
Now, without Izquierdo, I do agree that the Elite 8 is probably our ceiling, which is still a helluvan accomplishment for what is traditionally the worst team in the SEC.
You’re probably right. Arkansas losing to Texas & Southern Cal losing really helps. Still think if they seed the 4 best teams 1-4, it would be 4 ACC teams. But I doubt they do that.
The newest RPI just came out and we only dropped down to #3. Right now, it’s:
1. Duke (14-2-1)
2. UNC (16-4-0)
3. State (17-2-0)
4. USCw (15-1-3)
5. Arkansas (13-2-2)
6. Florida State (13-2-3)
7. Wake Forest (12-3-3)
The interesting take-away I discovered is that a win/loss on PK’s is not a win/loss in regards to the actual record and RPI impact. It’s counted as a tie.
So that means the USCw loss to Rutgers wasn’t quite as impactful as I would have thought, but it also means the FSU win over WF isn’t as impactful as I would have thought. I thought FSU was a lock, but maybe not.
I originally thought an FSU win in the finals would help us, but now I don’t know. UNC sitting up there at RPI 2 and FSU at 6 makes me believe UNC could eliminate FSU, not the other way around. Either way, I think we’re still the best non-ACC team in the field.
1. Duke (14-2-1)
2. UNC (16-4-0)
3. State (17-2-0)
4. USCw (15-1-3)
5. Arkansas (13-2-2)
6. Florida State (13-2-3)
7. Wake Forest (12-3-3)
The interesting take-away I discovered is that a win/loss on PK’s is not a win/loss in regards to the actual record and RPI impact. It’s counted as a tie.
So that means the USCw loss to Rutgers wasn’t quite as impactful as I would have thought, but it also means the FSU win over WF isn’t as impactful as I would have thought. I thought FSU was a lock, but maybe not.
I originally thought an FSU win in the finals would help us, but now I don’t know. UNC sitting up there at RPI 2 and FSU at 6 makes me believe UNC could eliminate FSU, not the other way around. Either way, I think we’re still the best non-ACC team in the field.
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Looking at that, I think too 4 seeds are Duke, Southern Cal, UNC-FSU winner & State.
Yeah, that makes the most sense to me. It gives the ACC their deserved extra weight, but also rewards the two best non-ACC teams.
I tried to see if the selection committee gave conference champions extra weight in previous seasons, and it doesn't appear they did.
They also didn't go straight with RPI.
I haven't followed women's soccer enough to say for sure, but it looks like this is another sport where every year there's something inexplicable in the seeding.
They also didn't go straight with RPI.
I haven't followed women's soccer enough to say for sure, but it looks like this is another sport where every year there's something inexplicable in the seeding.
Looking at last year, the top 4 seeds were:
Florida State - 1 RPI, ACC Reg Season & Tourney Champ, (22-0-1)
Clemson - 5 RPI, 3rd place ACC, ACC Tournament runner-up (18-4-4)
BYU - 2 RPI, 2nd place Big 12, Big 12 Tournament runner-up (20-3-3)
UCLA - 3 RPI, Pac-12 Reg Season Champs (No Tourney) (16-2-1)
So, they stayed pretty close to the RPI last year. The notable exception was Penn State at RPI 4, but they finished 4th in the Big Ten regular season and lost in the semifinals of their tournament and finished 14-2-4.
Correct me if I’m wrong, somebody more in the loop, aren’t all games until the Final Four on campus? So if we are a Top 4 seed we would in theory play at home for a while?
That is correct. Every round up until the Final 4 is on campus. So, if we get a top 4 seed, we would theoretically get the first 4 games at home. If we get a 5-8, we'll get the first 3 at home with a chance to get the 4th at home depending on who makes it through to the quarterfinals (Elite 8 game).
The Final 4 is in Cary, NC (about 40 minutes from Duke and UNC).
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