2021-22 Sixers Thread
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Done dealio. Morey is all in on a title. Let’s hope it works out. I can’t fault him and he kept Maxey and Thybulle.
When he’s fully invested, Harden is a holy terror. I wouldn’t worry about his motivation this season. Maxey will thrive next to Harden, watch.
Simmons, Curry, Drummond, and two 1st round picks? The Sixers gave up too much, IMHO. Then again, if they win this year's championship, it probably is worth it.
Losing Drummond hurts, especially for nights when Embiid is injured. Curry is also their most consistent 3-pt shooter, which also hurts, though I guess with Harden on the floor, he wasn't that important.
I NEVER like to give up a 1st round pick. Two picks -- that's just too much.
Losing Drummond hurts, especially for nights when Embiid is injured. Curry is also their most consistent 3-pt shooter, which also hurts, though I guess with Harden on the floor, he wasn't that important.
I NEVER like to give up a 1st round pick. Two picks -- that's just too much.
My thoughts exactly.
Hope they didn't decrease their odds by making the Nets a lot better.
Per Kyle Neubeck's article:
The Sixers drafts picks are 2022 and 2027.
Also, the Nicks are including Paul Millsap in the trade, so the Sixers get somebody to back up Embiid.
The Sixers drafts picks are 2022 and 2027.
Also, the Nicks are including Paul Millsap in the trade, so the Sixers get somebody to back up Embiid.
Stephen A. Smith -- "this could potentially go down as the worst day in the career of Daryl Morey."
Completely agree. Two first rounders - too much. Drummond has been the first real productive backup for Embiid as well, giving quality minutes at both ends - losing him also hurts. There is no one on the roster to step in for Joel now, so Doc will need to change up strategies once Joel goes out. Don't like the deal very much, not to mention Harden is currently hurt.
potentially. His last contract was signed in 2017. He calls for him to make $47 M in 2022-23. However, it also includes a player option for him to opt out of the final season. As such, he has the ability to become a FA at the end of this season.
From Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer:
"Of the eight lottery acquisitions the Sixers obtained during The Process, Joel Embiid is now the only one left on the roster."
"Of the eight lottery acquisitions the Sixers obtained during The Process, Joel Embiid is now the only one left on the roster."
Appears that the 2022 1st round pick that was traded is unprotected, while the 2027 1st round pick is protected. I've yet to see the details of the protection.
Let's be honest about this. The Process netted them Embiid and that was true long before this trade. For as much as Hinkie's strategy netted massive draft capital, the Sixers whiffed continually on those picks. Some of that was bad luck in lottery drawings and some was bad timing (ex: Simmons was clear #1 the year they had the top pick).
Simmons was obviously a poor fit for what the Sixers need to win a title. Their future is locked to Embiid and maximizing him. Harden - while older - is a much better complement to Joel. Harden may also open up other things for the young core of players.
The 2022 and 2027 picks...meh. Is the 2027 pick lottery protected?
Outside the first 10 or so picks, which Brooklyn won’t be getting, I’m not sweating the draft picks.
Different sport but look at the Rams. They got Jalen Ramsey, Jags got
Jaguars receive:
- EDGE K’Lavon Chaisson: 2020 first-round pick (No. 20 overall)
- RB Travis Etienne: 2021 first-round pick (No. 25 overall)
- EDGE Jordan Smith: 2021 fourth-round pick (No. 121 overall)
"The Process" is interesting to analyze. By just looking at the players that it yielded, it looks like a failure. However, I'd like to see a break down of players that they ended up getting in return for trading failed draft picks. Not to mention, having Embid/Simmons made the Sixers more desirable for free agents.
Here is the other way to look at it. Before the process, the Sixers were a middling team, typically on the playoff bubble with not much chance of winning it all. After the process, they can be considered a legitimate contender. The goal of the process was to increase (not guarantee) the Sixers chance of winning a title.
And I never miss a game. Wasn’t always like that. I give the process A+ I love the SIXERS again.
Concering the draft picks:
Woj reports that:
"The Nets will get the Sixers' 2022 first-round pick unprotected with a right to defer until 2023 and a 2027 first-round pick protected 1-to-8, sources tell ESPN. The 2027 pick would roll over to 2028 protected 1-to-8 again. The pick turns into two seconds and $2M in 2029."
Woj reports that:
"The Nets will get the Sixers' 2022 first-round pick unprotected with a right to defer until 2023 and a 2027 first-round pick protected 1-to-8, sources tell ESPN. The 2027 pick would roll over to 2028 protected 1-to-8 again. The pick turns into two seconds and $2M in 2029."
I love the deal. You give up a player who was a dead zone on your roster, was not playing, and never was gonna play AND was a bad fit with your best player. You give up a player who was a good shooter when WIDE open but couldn’t get his shot off quick, got roasted on D especially in the playoffs, and wasn't very strong in general and got pushed around. You gave up a vet minimum guy with a couple young guys behind him that can play. I think Drummond would have been a negative in the playoffs. Not for his play, but because Glen would have over played him and refused to go small ball when needed like last year. He loves old guys in the playoffs (see Dwight Howard).
If you are upset about the draft picks I get it but they kept their 2 young players and really improved. I have no idea what Harden will look like in 2-3 years but him, Joel, and Maxey should be fun to watch.
Is it wrong to complain that Morey didn’t get a backup PG before the deadline? Asking for a friend.
If you are upset about the draft picks I get it but they kept their 2 young players and really improved. I have no idea what Harden will look like in 2-3 years but him, Joel, and Maxey should be fun to watch.
Is it wrong to complain that Morey didn’t get a backup PG before the deadline? Asking for a friend.
Kinda surprised. You guys don't seem that high on the move. Sports are all about entertainment to me and this will be incredibly fun to watch.
I'm also not a massive NBA guy. I'll watch every playoff game, and some big reg season matchups, but I don't live and die with the Sixers like I do with the Phillies/Everton. So, maybe I'm not the best person to comment. I'm excited to watch this though.
I'm also not a massive NBA guy. I'll watch every playoff game, and some big reg season matchups, but I don't live and die with the Sixers like I do with the Phillies/Everton. So, maybe I'm not the best person to comment. I'm excited to watch this though.
Last I heard, Sam Hinkie was bopping around Palo Alto here. I've longed to bump into him at Philz Coffee and to strike up this convo.
I would be fascinated to hear his honest thoughts. Please record if this ever happens.
The Sixers flat out KILLED IT on that trade. Harden is so much better than Simmons it's not funny. He should fit in really well on the Sixers if egos (primarily Embiid's) do not get in the way. I gotta think Harden had a convo with Embiid before this trade went through. Harden can provide the kind of outside shooting and scoring punch the Sixers have needed. Simmons gets a new start with the Celtics, and he's still young. Could well be a win for everyone concerned.
@WestSideLion -- not the phrase I would have used. When I conjure up images of people "I've longed to bump into," Sam Hinkie isn't even on the list. My list is populated by a lot of the ladies in @Midnighter's ongoing poll.
Good to great trade. Kept thibuilke and maxey. Simmons was zero help. Draft picks? Please. Can make a run this year. Really good trade.
Now that I've had more time to digest the trade, I'm moving more toward your position. I was frustrated that the Sixers gave up 2 1st round draft choices, and I still worry a bit about the lineup (Tobias as your PF and Green as your SF, with not as strong a backup at C). But where the Sixers will (one presumes) be picking in 2022, it's not like that was that big of a loss. And Simmons was not going to play. So basically, you got rid of a cancer (Simmons), and replaced him with Harden, who's older, but a far better player. To make the $$ work, the Sixers threw in Curry, who wasn't going to be much of a factor with Harden starting, and Drummond, who was more of a load maintenance guy during the regular season, and a spot minutes guy in case of injuries or fouls to JoJo in the postseason.
I think the Sixers could have landed Harden for less in the offseason, but even with giving up 3 players, I think they have improved their roster, so that's a plus.
Lastly, I just heard a report that Harden has already opted in for his contract next season, meaning he won't be a FA. Assuming that's true, then he's more than just a mercenary for a few months for whom you gave up a lot.
I’m also curious if this unlocks Tobias some. He clearly is the 3rd option now with scoring pressure off him with Joel and Harden. They can provide plenty of scoring and Tobias will get less of the D focused on him as the 3rd option. If Glen stops these Tobias 29 dribble post up possessions, it would be fantastic. Try to get him playing faster and cutting with Harden now.
I also think Maxey could learn a lot from Harden when it comes to creating contact. That’s one thing he hasn’t been able to consistently get calls on. If Maxey makes another leap next year their starting 5 could be a real problem for the league.
I also think Maxey could learn a lot from Harden when it comes to creating contact. That’s one thing he hasn’t been able to consistently get calls on. If Maxey makes another leap next year their starting 5 could be a real problem for the league.
From a fan perspective and not worrying about long term ramifications, I'm excited. It's hard to watch games on the west coast, but I will certainly make more of an effort. Harden has his issues, but he sure is fun to watch.
AND I can't wait for the Nets to come to Philly. Simmons may get booed like nobody has been booed...ever. Looking forward to his free throws already.
That game is early March, too. I bet the Nets hold him out until after that game. I hope they don't, but I bet they will.
I was thinking about this today. A year ago when he was forcing his way out of Houston, the Sixers would've had to give up much more than they did today. They absolutely would've had to part with Maxey or Thybulle. So, that's why, in my head, this wasn't a bad deal. It is a lot, no doubt, but I think they're still positioned well. Losing Drummond will certainly hurt at times, but Harden can hit 3s, so I feel like that evens out the loss of Curry. The 2027 pick means little to me.
He may not be mentally prepared to play basketball by then either
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