2023 B1G Tourney Session 4 Thread

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Dean was letting that tall wrestler in on his legs too much. Love to see him work on angles as well. We need him on top. Guys are taking neutral now. Hope it backfires on them at Nationals. Maybe DT and some other NLWC members can help give pointers.
 

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Agree. Love to see Kerk work on his angles preparing for Nationals. Couple other guys as well. Kerk can beat Parris if he goes outside singles with hard finish. More urgency needed to score that first takedown.
Kerk isn’t attacking him like he did in the past. Now, that could be a credit to Paris for making adjustments, but I felt like Kerk took him down pretty easily in the past.
 
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Dean was letting that tall wrestler in on his legs too much. Love to see him work on angles as well. We need him on top. Guys are taking neutral now. Hope it backfires on them at Nationals. Maybe DT and some other NLWC members can help give pointers.
Nobody makes adjustments for March wrestling like the PSU coaching staff. It will be ok.
 

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Kerk isn’t attacking him like he did in the past. Now, that could be a credit to Paris for making adjustments, but I felt like Kerk took him down pretty easily in the past.
Agree. If you go back and watch those matches Kerk was setting up good angles and using his speed. He will work on things I’m sure.
 

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Honestly, I feel like most years the B1G tournament is tougher than Nationals.
Agree.

Sort of like the Japanese Women's National Team. By the time a wrestler makes the traveling squad, often she's met and defeated tougher competition than she'll meet in whatever tournament the team's competing in.
 

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Any idea when tickets for next year’s tournament will be available?

Each school that hosts determines how to allocate tickets, and when they go on sale to the general public. Most universities/programs use the B1G tourney to boost season ticket sales (buy season tickets, and get first access to B1G Tournament tickets), so to some extent it also depends on how popular their program is. In short, there isn't a quick and easy answer to your question.

For this year's B1G Tourney, Michigan started selling tickets to the general public on Jan. 12, 2023.
 
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My comments- The series of moves that led to Levi Haines winning were just awesome. He was on a mission. He kept coming and coming and wow, was that exciting to watch (winning move). Now RBY and Carter have been awesome all year and look like NCAA champions again. However, the wrestler I think who is peaking is Brooks. He looked like a man on a mission. I have seen him wrestle at a super high level for years now but man he seemed to take it to even a higher level-AWESOME. And Kerk takes the number 1 ranked wrestler to OT, how can he not be seeded second. Hopefully Kerk can get a third match and continue to elevate his skillls-he is a tremendous wrestler.
 

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Each school that hosts determines how to allocate tickets, and when they go on sale to the general public. Most universities/programs use the B1G tourney to boost season ticket sales (buy season tickets, and get first access to B1G Tournament tickets), so to some extent it also depends on how popular their program is. In short, there isn't a quick and easy answer to your question.

For this year's B1G Tourney, Michigan started selling tickets to the general public on Jan. 12, 2023.
Thanks Tom, always appreciate your helpful posts.
 

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Regarding Kerk and Parris. Parris was hurt all last season which is why Kerk got to his legs easily. I’m going to disagree with many on here and say Kerk needs to do the opposite. He has had urgency and burned himself out shooting and shooting in the first period while Mason sat back and countered or just down blocked. I agree he needs to get better angles but both of Mason’s takedowns this year were off of bad shots. I would be ok with a 0-0 first and let Kerk hang back and stop pushing into Mason or worse getting stuck underneath in bad shoots.
 

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Regarding Kerk and Parris. Parris was hurt all last season which is why Kerk got to his legs easily. I’m going to disagree with many on here and say Kerk needs to do the opposite. He has had urgency and burned himself out shooting and shooting in the first period while Mason sat back and countered or just down blocked. I agree he needs to get better angles but both of Mason’s takedowns this year were off of bad shots. I would be ok with a 0-0 first and let Kerk hang back and stop pushing into Mason or worse getting stuck underneath in bad shoots.
agree, Greg should press and press, get stalls, Parris has shown no interest in wrestling, just countering, Greg fell for it twice, need to adjust, force Parris to shoot.
 
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My comments- The series of moves that led to Levi Haines winning were just awesome. He was on a mission. He kept coming and coming and wow, was that exciting to watch (winning move). Now RBY and Carter have been awesome all year and look like NCAA champions again. However, the wrestler I think who is peaking is Brooks. He looked like a man on a mission. I have seen him wrestle at a super high level for years now but man he seemed to take it to even a higher level-AWESOME. And Kerk takes the number 1 ranked wrestler to OT, how can he not be seeded second. Hopefully Kerk can get a third match and continue to elevate his skillls-he is a tremendous wrestler.
I said from the first match this year, Brooks is bigger and stronger. His motor is at a high level, just has to be careful somebody doesn’t use it against him again.
 
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I said from the first match this year, Brooks is bigger and stronger. His motor is at a high level, just has to be careful somebody doesn’t use it against him again.
AB's obviously well rested since Donovan Ball wrestled 184 quite a bit near season's end. Maybe Cael felt a) Ball's good...& a Senior worthy of some bouts; and b) perhaps Brooks was a sick or perhaps a bit under the weather.

One thing's for sure. AB was spitting nails this past weekend.
 

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AB's obviously well rested since Donovan Ball wrestled 184 quite a bit near season's end. Maybe Cael felt a) Ball's good...& a Senior worthy of some bouts; and b) perhaps Brooks was a sick or perhaps a bit under the weather.

One thing's for sure. AB was spitting nails this past weekend.
Spitting nails is so true. I was at one match where DB got the nod and AB was on the bench laughing and joking. The days of wrestling tons of matches is over. Better to stay healthy to get more practice in.

I think AB is going to take a run at DT for the Olympic spot next year. I would not be surprised to see an ORS for AB next year, unless he is convinced he could not win.
 
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Regarding Kerk and Parris. Parris was hurt all last season which is why Kerk got to his legs easily. I’m going to disagree with many on here and say Kerk needs to do the opposite. He has had urgency and burned himself out shooting and shooting in the first period while Mason sat back and countered or just down blocked. I agree he needs to get better angles but both of Mason’s takedowns this year were off of bad shots. I would be ok with a 0-0 first and let Kerk hang back and stop pushing into Mason or worse getting stuck underneath in bad shoots.
Excellent point. Still must get those angles though. Your not getting a Takedown shooting straight on. Yea stay back and conserve energy for the 2nd and 3rd period’s.
 

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I finally saw the video of Robb/Haines, def takedown by Robb at the end of the period. Sorry, can't link video, but it was clear to me.
 

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Spitting nails is so true. I was at one match where DB got the nod and AB was on the bench laughing and joking. The days of wrestling tons of matches is over. Better to stay healthy to get more practice in.

I think AB is going to take a run at DT for the Olympic spot next year. I would not be surprised to see an ORS for AB next year, unless he is convinced he could not win.
So this leads me to thinking about next year. Who does PSU lose from the starting lineup? RBY and Dean? Anybody else? Who fills those spots? True Freshman Davis at 133? Who at 197? Do we think Brooks bumps up? Does Haines bump up and challenge for 165? If so, who goes to 157? If Howard can’t go, 125 is another question mark. Will Kasak and Barr find their way into the lineup as true freshman? I am enjoying this season. This is a fun team to follow. However, there seems to be a lot of questions about next year. Cael and Casey will figure it out. They always do. Just fun to look ahead.
 

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The radio pbp guy thought it was a takedown when it happened and was shocked that it wasn't reversed.

I guess it boils down to assuming when control was achieved vs where Robb's feet were at the said time. Levi fought through it going down, which probably led to the no takedown call, but I'm no expert on how this is generally called.
 

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I think this is the video. FWIW, I'm not so sure it's a TD.


Thanks for posting. You are the rules expert. I see control with the toes in the imaginary cylinder. Reaction time doesn’t factor into the equation because Robb maintains control through the move.
The refs looked at it so no TD, but they are not going to change the call without clear evidence.

Both guys are good and fun to watch. Nebraska really gets a lot out of their guys..........
 

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So this leads me to thinking about next year. Who does PSU lose from the starting lineup? RBY and Dean? Anybody else? Who fills those spots? True Freshman Davis at 133? Who at 197? Do we think Brooks bumps up? Does Haines bump up and challenge for 165? If so, who goes to 157? If Howard can’t go, 125 is another question mark. Will Kasak and Barr find their way into the lineup as true freshman? I am enjoying this season. This is a fun team to follow. However, there seems to be a lot of questions about next year. Cael and Casey will figure it out. They always do. Just fun to look ahead.
For fun, Brooks could go 197, like Bo. Won't have any issues making weight and can get big which he will need for the Olympics The hole at 184 doesn't get filled easily. It almost has to be Barr moving up because Carter isn't going anywhere. Howard 125 and Davis 133. Kasak probably shirts and then goes 141 when Beau moves on.

Pretty good.
 

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For fun, Brooks could go 197, like Bo. Won't have any issues making weight and can get big which he will need for the Olympics The hole at 184 doesn't get filled easily. It almost has to be Barr moving up because Carter isn't going anywhere. Howard 125 and Davis 133. Kasak probably shirts and then goes 141 when Beau moves on.

Pretty good.
Barr's the #2 182 in high school & he just won his 4th Michigan state title at 175 so that tracks. Barr has the body to add some real horsepower before he gets to Happy Valley.

It will be interesting to see Barr vs PA kid/Ohio State commit Rocco Welsh of Waynesburg (assumption on my part) at the Pgh Wrestling Classic. Those 2 have split 2 bouts, so this will be the rubber match. Welsh will be wrestling at 172 (#1 seed) in the PA AAA States this weekend where if he wins will have his 2nd PA state title (to go with two 2nds).
 
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For fun, Brooks could go 197, like Bo. Won't have any issues making weight and can get big which he will need for the Olympics The hole at 184 doesn't get filled easily. It almost has to be Barr moving up because Carter isn't going anywhere. Howard 125 and Davis 133. Kasak probably shirts and then goes 141 when Beau moves on.

Pretty good.
I am skeptical Haines will hold 157.
 

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I am skeptical Haines will hold 157.
I'd assume a holding pattern with elite wrestlers at 173 and 184, maybe Brooks bumps up, the portal will tell the tale especially at 197, 125 and 133 are bigger question marks. Always looking to the future, trying to enjoy this years team!
 

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Thanks for posting. You are the rules expert. I see control with the toes in the imaginary cylinder. Reaction time doesn’t factor into the equation because Robb maintains control through the move.
The refs looked at it so no TD, but they are not going to change the call without clear evidence.

In my post about the sequence (to which you replied), I indicated that I wasn't too sure that it was a TD. As I knew it was close, I wanted to get an independent take, so I checked with a friend that is a college wrestling ref. He took some time to get back to me, but I enjoyed his answer. He hadn't seen the match in real time (he was reffing a different tournament), so he was only going by the clip that I sent him, which was the same thing that I posted in this thread. His take on the clip is that control was not established in bounds or beyond reaction time.

As an added bonus, my friend spoke with the ref that was reffing this match at the B1G tournament. The ref that did the B1G match said that when he and the assistant ref went to video review, they concluded that Robb did not have control in bounds or beyond reaction time. (We couldn't really tell on the BTN broadcast what they said to each other at the end of the review.)

If you want to get into ref technique, go back and watch the video clip. The head ref did a masterful job. As the sequence was going toward the edge, he moved into perfect position that was perpendicular to the action, and directly on the OOB line. And then as they were crossing to OOB, his eyes were directly on the action looking for whether control was established, while his partner (the assistant ref) was opposite him on the OOB line, and could call out when Robb's foot was OOB.
 
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