2023 Phillies Thread
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There are some interesting things to consider here. MLB is not in favor of “openers” or “bullpen games” especially in the post season. Rule changes are envisioned to address this making starting pitching more important going forward. The Braves, Diamondbacks, and Dodgers struggled to put a staff together for the post season and there simply isn’t a supply of starting pitching to address needs.
Nola’s contract is significant but he was very appealing to teams needing to add quality pitching. The Phillies rotation will be formidable for this year and beyond if they can extend Wheeler. I think the Phillies are in a tremendous position and I do think that they are lurking for Yamamota. Yamamota makes perfect sense to me. It allows them to go six man rotation to preserve workload ensuring arms are fresh for deep runs and he provides backup if Wheeler wants to go elsewhere. I think they are managing resources under two windows. The first window is through the end of Schwarber/Nick/JT, the second window will be Nola/Ranger/Painter/Bohm/Stott/Harper/Turner.
Yamamota would be a big piece and a bridge for both windows. The chips are all in. Middleton could care less about luxury tax if it positions the Phillies favorably to win the WS or two during the first window. Plug Yamamota into the second window and you still have an elite rotation if Painter hits. You’re looking at Nola, Yamamota, Painter, Ranger, and say Sanchez. Your offensive core is Bryce/Trea/Bohm/Stott/Marsh/ Crawford/ hopefully Rojas.
You are looking at a team positioned to be a WS threat for say the next 7-8 years.
Yamamota makes total sense and I don’t think Middleton feels any real financial constraints.
Let it rain money at CBP. These are good times.
Nola’s contract is significant but he was very appealing to teams needing to add quality pitching. The Phillies rotation will be formidable for this year and beyond if they can extend Wheeler. I think the Phillies are in a tremendous position and I do think that they are lurking for Yamamota. Yamamota makes perfect sense to me. It allows them to go six man rotation to preserve workload ensuring arms are fresh for deep runs and he provides backup if Wheeler wants to go elsewhere. I think they are managing resources under two windows. The first window is through the end of Schwarber/Nick/JT, the second window will be Nola/Ranger/Painter/Bohm/Stott/Harper/Turner.
Yamamota would be a big piece and a bridge for both windows. The chips are all in. Middleton could care less about luxury tax if it positions the Phillies favorably to win the WS or two during the first window. Plug Yamamota into the second window and you still have an elite rotation if Painter hits. You’re looking at Nola, Yamamota, Painter, Ranger, and say Sanchez. Your offensive core is Bryce/Trea/Bohm/Stott/Marsh/ Crawford/ hopefully Rojas.
You are looking at a team positioned to be a WS threat for say the next 7-8 years.
Yamamota makes total sense and I don’t think Middleton feels any real financial constraints.
Let it rain money at CBP. These are good times.
I am actually liking the Phillies off-season so far. The Braves and Dodgers have yet to add a big arm and I believe that the Yankees will be difficult to outbid for Yamamota. Snell is the other top of rotation arm but at least one of those teams if not both will walk away disappointed that they came up short if Snell goes elsewhere.
Resigning Nola wasn’t the sexiest move but both of the other heavyweight sports thought they had a real chance with Nola. I think the Braves felt especially good given the strong relationship that Nola has with Kranitz. I think the only non Philly relationship that Nola was really comfortable with was Kranitz.
I can see one more arm in the pen and Hicks is the type of profile that I can see. They want swing and miss big arms with high velocity and I can see Hicks being a similar signing to Kimbrel last season.
I think the Phillies feel good thinking Turner is more comfortable and Bryce is good to go game 1. They should start highly better than last year. Play it out a bit and then go hunting at the trade deadline, money be damned.
For me, Mission 1 is Rojas and molding him to be the hitter you want going forward. For me, I’d like him to be a guy who sprays the ball and uses his speed. Shorten him up.
Could this Phils arm be up next for an extension?
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It is imperative to resign Zach. The Phillies would be wise to get this done before they come North in the spring. You don’t want him hitting the market. I can’t see Kershaw not retiring after this year, the Dodgers would throw “stupid money” at him especially if they throw snake eyes this off season.Could this Phils arm be up next for an extension?
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The PA and agents constantly remind the player that every contract impacts every other player and that the reason they are able to sign for the $$ they do is because of those that came before them. Each player has a responsibility to the brotherhood and agents will remind the players that everyone in the brotherhood benefits from taking the most money. Guys who take less are the exception to the rule.
The one thing that interested me are the discussions about Harper getting an “extension” given that he has outperformed his contract. That can take many forms but it’s not like they will be extending his contract for multiple years. The Phillies bean counters assigned a dollar amount of revenue for each additional seat that increased post signing of Bryce. I think the attendance went up nearly one million. So figure 1 million times the number assigned for each person. When you consider the number assigned, the investment in Harper has been returned a multiple of his salary. So, it’s hard to ask anyone to leave money on the table when the team is making bank like you can’t comprehend.
He's got eight years left and Boras is already talking contract extensions haha. I guess that's why he's the best, but man, can we at least win a World Series first?
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Harper eyes extension, hopes to retire with Phils
Bryce Harper would like to get a new deal from the Phillies once the remaining eight years of his current deal are done.
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@WestSideLion -- I didn't want this news to not be acknowledged.
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Kimbrel signed to fill O's void at closer
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- During the first night of the General Managers Meetings in Scottsdale, Ariz., on Nov. 7, Orioles GM Mike Elias met with David Meter, the agent who represents veteran right-hander Craig Kimbrel. It didn’t take long for Elias to have a realization. Kimbrel, a free agent again this
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I'm not sure if I agree with all of Evan's projections, but he's probably pretty close. Also, I didn't realize that both Covey and Bellatti are out of options.
Good riddance. I’m glad the Phillies could scrape him off their shoe sole.@WestSideLion -- I didn't want this news to not be acknowledged.
Kimbrel signed to fill O's void at closer
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- During the first night of the General Managers Meetings in Scottsdale, Ariz., on Nov. 7, Orioles GM Mike Elias met with David Meter, the agent who represents veteran right-hander Craig Kimbrel. It didn’t take long for Elias to have a realization. Kimbrel, a free agent again this
Of course they should be right there. My only question is how many post-season games will he blow in 2024? That game 4 in Arizona will stick with me forever.
One can’t fault Wheeler for wanting to see what’s out there. This is likely his last bite at the Apple.
Did the Mystery Box from the Reading R-Phils this year--got a Nola bobble head!
@Tom McAndrew So when will there be a shift to a 2024 Phillies thread since, yeah, it is 2024? Too much time listing all the pies you like and don’t like I guess!
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