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winloseortie

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What's wrong with Aliyah? Is she slow and out of shape? Why are her numbers down?

This pic sums up my response:


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Aliyah, Brea and Zia have been starters for 4 years. Fletcher and Saxton are, by far, the weakest pair of starters they've been paired with, especially on offense.. Destanni was a 40% shooter from 3. Fletcher hasn't hit a 3 all season. Saxton's game has regressed. All her point are seemingly put backs or free throws. When was the last time she hit a 12 footer? Even post up buckets from her are rare against P5 competition.

I haven't nothing against either player. They both play hard. I'm just objectively looking at the advanced stats, which place them both in the bottom 3rd of our roster in offensive player rating and offensive win share. (Her Hoop Stats predicted the score of the game to be 69.6 to 51.6, btw. The numbers may not tell the whole story, but pretty close).

By not placing a third option to score in the starting lineup, Dawn is making it too easy for opponents to sell out to stop Boston. I have been accused of thinking Dawn can do no wrong, but I'm a bit disappointed in her here. Our own fans are now questioning whether Aliyah is playing well. That's unfortunate. Dawn needs to come up with a better lineup that will give Aliyah a chance.

Against UGA, Saxton played fewer minutes than Cardoso or Amihere. Importantly, Saxton played zero minutes in the 4th. Cardoso played about 6 minutes in the 4th and Amihere played the entire quarter except garbage time.

"It's not who starts, it's who finishes"

I guess the cliche applies. But why not step on the opponents' necks from the get? Build a lead and then play Feagin, Watkins, Cooper, Kitts in the 4th?

Dawn may have her reasons and it's hard to argue with her success. This post is less about questioning coach and more about defending Aliyah. She is a special player and person. Team first. She's not going to gripe about her "struggles" or point fingers. She's playing the role assigned to her to win another championship. It might not mean putting up big stats, though. So keep that in mind when discussing her performance this season.
Definitely an oldie. “You tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.”

 

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Recruiting follow up for SC natives

We are a small state but have turned out some real BB talent. Four former state prep players are starting or playing significant roles on their teams. All were top 100 National recruits. None even really got any interest from us.

Unique Drake starting at undefeated St John’s and averaging 9 ppg. A big part of their turn around.

Loyal McQueen coming off the bench at Bama and playing well. Put up 21 on UT Sunday. Looks like she has finally found a home.

Danae McNeil starting and starring at ECU. Averaging almost 16 ppg.

Nyah Leveretter is the starting center at UK. Stats are very pedestrian but she is filling a good role as their big.

A decade ago they would have been MUST get recruits here.
 

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Recruiting follow up for SC natives

We are a small state but have turned out some real BB talent. Four former state prep players are starting or playing significant roles on their teams. All were top 100 National recruits. None even really got any interest from us.

Unique Drake starting at undefeated St John’s and averaging 9 ppg. A big part of their turn around.

Loyal McQueen coming off the bench at Bama and playing well. Put up 21 on UT Sunday. Looks like she has finally found a home.

Danae McNeil starting and starring at ECU. Averaging almost 16 ppg.

Nyah Leveretter is the starting center at UK. Stats are very pedestrian but she is filling a good role as their big.

A decade ago they would have been MUST get recruits here.
Good place to be as a program recruiting wise!
 
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With Diamond Johnson out, Rivers is State's primary ball handler and she matches up with the opposing team's top perimeter player on the defensive end. She's proving to be valuable addition. To make a run in the tournament, though, she needs to find her role with Johnson out there. Both like the ball in their hands.
I'm not the aficionado some of y'all are, but even I could tell Rivers could lift almost any team. She has an outstanding floor game. I know we're stacked, but I still wish she was here.
 

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Thoughts on Auburn

We have won 12 in a row by an average of almost 19 points. Been a decade since they beat us. We beat them 75-38 last year. We play twice this season.

They have two excellent players in Honesty Scott-Grayson and Aicha Coulibaly sp? Scott-Grayson has missed the last 2 games with an injury and Coulibaly left a tight game against Mizzou dinged up and did not return. I am unsure of their availability tomorrow. If both are out for them well they may as well change their name to Custer and rename the CLA as The Little Bighorn.

6’3” Romi Levi plays center, pretty good player playing out of position. Rest of team is filled with decent role players but nobody that is going to light you up.

in their wins they averaged 81 ppg. In their losses 62. In SEC play 52. I think you can see where I’m going. Don’t see them breaking 50, unless in 4th quarter garbage time.

Good shooting team in wins, another story in losses. Not a very good rebounding team but they compensate by causing 20 turnovers a game.

Margin could be anywhere from 20-40.
 

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Thoughts on Auburn

We have won 12 in a row by an average of almost 19 points. Been a decade since they beat us. We beat them 75-38 last year. We play twice this season.

They have two excellent players in Honesty Scott-Grayson and Aicha Coulibaly sp? Scott-Grayson has missed the last 2 games with an injury and Coulibaly left a tight game against Mizzou dinged up and did not return. I am unsure of their availability tomorrow. If both are out for them well they may as well change their name to Custer and rename the CLA as The Little Bighorn.

6’3” Romi Levi plays center, pretty good player playing out of position. Rest of team is filled with decent role players but nobody that is going to light you up.

in their wins they averaged 81 ppg. In their losses 62. In SEC play 52. I think you can see where I’m going. Don’t see them breaking 50, unless in 4th quarter garbage time.

Good shooting team in wins, another story in losses. Not a very good rebounding team but they compensate by causing 20 turnovers a game.

Margin could be anywhere from 20-40.
Disappointed to hear Scott-Grayson might now play. Beal matched up against her would be the most interesting aspect of this game.

Otherwise, I don't know...maybe how well our guards take care of the ball. If we just get a shot off, we'll more than likely to get the offensive rebound. They don't rebound well.

Good game for Raven to breakout out of her scoring slump.
 
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Exactly. She's getting mugged where ever shes at on the court. They called 22 fouls on GA. Could/Should have called 50. And not to mention its worse on the road. Case in point, check that "jump" ball they called when Aliyah had the ball. Ga player had her by the arm. Blatant foul but jump ball. Absurd.
That may have been the play where it looked like two UGAs fouled her at the same time, and I thought that would be interesting if the referee could call two fouls on defense at the same time!
 

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Great line from Staley in UGA post game that probably gets lost in translation unless you are of a certain age

“Coach could you talk about the 10 turnovers in the first half.”

“Well we handled it when they pressed, but they bothered us in our set offense and we got Fred Flintstone feet.”

 

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That may have been the play where it looked like two UGAs fouled her at the same time, and I thought that would be interesting if the referee could call two fouls on defense at the same time!
I’m not going to go back and check because it’s late but as I recall after re-watching it I think we was actually fouled three times on that play. Twice on the same player one one more by another player. Amazing non-calI. I hope these officials have to review these films. The officiating in this one was atrocious. Hard not to be if they don’t want to “man-up” and make the right call. Coach Abe is apparently notorious for rough play. That was the WWE out there, not basketball. Refs got to have some courage.
 

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Before the season I stated that even though we had the best defense in the country last year, I thought this year’s would be better. It is and in stunning fashion.

The question was raised if this was the best D in history of the game. Maybe, I just don’t know enough history to say. But, it’s not just us leading in categories but dominating them.

I'm going to list categories and then compare us to the number 10 ranked team to show our dominance.

Scoring defense #1
43.6 ppg. #10 is Holy Cross 52.8
That is almost 10 ppg difference, huge difference.


Blocks #1
9.9 pg. #10 is Texas at 5.6


Defensive field goal% #1
26.7% #10 is Ole Miss at 33.8
To give some added perspective, a 7% difference from OM is Vanderbilt who is ranked #215

Defensive 3pt %. #1
20.3%. #10 is UVA at 24% they would have to hold their opponents to 2-53 shooting to catch up with us

Rebound Margin #2
21.1 #10 is NCSU at 11.3 That is insane! 10 more possessions/opportunities per game than the 10th best team in the country.

Turnover margin #85

+3.1 #1 is Ohio St at +11.5 per game. Some explanation, teams at the top of this category base their defense on press and pressure. Generally to mask deficiencies in their regular defense. It can be high risk, high reward. Just not our game. Last season our turnover margin was +0.8 That would be #160 in this year’s rankings. A vast improvement from last season
 

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Before the season I stated that even though we had the best defense in the country last year, I thought this year’s would be better. It is and in stunning fashion.

The question was raised if this was the best D in history of the game. Maybe, I just don’t know enough history to say. But, it’s not just us leading in categories but dominating them.

I'm going to list categories and then compare us to the number 10 ranked team to show our dominance.

Scoring defense #1
43.6 ppg. #10 is Holy Cross 52.8
That is almost 10 ppg difference, huge difference.


Blocks #1
9.9 pg. #10 is Texas at 5.6


Defensive field goal% #1
26.7% #10 is Ole Miss at 33.8
To give some added perspective, a 7% difference from OM is Vanderbilt who is ranked #215

Defensive 3pt %. #1
20.3%. #10 is UVA at 24% they would have to hold their opponents to 2-53 shooting to catch up with us

Rebound Margin #2
21.1 #10 is NCSU at 11.3 That is insane! 10 more possessions/opportunities per game than the 10th best team in the country.

Turnover margin #85

+3.1 #1 is Ohio St at +11.5 per game. Some explanation, teams at the top of this category base their defense on press and pressure. Generally to mask deficiencies in their regular defense. It can be high risk, high reward. Just not our game. Last season our turnover margin was +0.8 That would be #160 in this year’s rankings. A vast improvement from last season
Great breakdown. I'm a stats nerd, so I love these kind of posts.

I lack the historical knowledge of wbb myself to compare it to teams of the past, but you bring home the fact we are on another level than any other current team. I doubt that even Dawn will field a team this dominate defensively again (teams in the immediate future looked to be more balanced).

The one area will are down from last year is defensive rebounding, so teams are getting more 2nd and 3rd shots. For whatever reason, Boston and Saxton are rebounding defensively at a lower rate. Coach could probably fix that by upping Cardoso's minutes. She is rebounding nearly 23% of every possible rebound. Amazing considering she's playing alongside other excellent rebounders. Even upping Watkins' minutes would improve the defense. She tops the team in defensive player rating and defensive win share per 40 minutes

btw, I'm feeling much better about next season based on how Cardoso is progressing and how college ready Watkins is. We won't be favored to win it all, but we're going to give UCONN and Stanford a battle.
 
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Thoughts on Auburn

We have won 12 in a row by an average of almost 19 points. Been a decade since they beat us. We beat them 75-38 last year. We play twice this season.

They have two excellent players in Honesty Scott-Grayson and Aicha Coulibaly sp? Scott-Grayson has missed the last 2 games with an injury and Coulibaly left a tight game against Mizzou dinged up and did not return. I am unsure of their availability tomorrow. If both are out for them well they may as well change their name to Custer and rename the CLA as The Little Bighorn.

6’3” Romi Levi plays center, pretty good player playing out of position. Rest of team is filled with decent role players but nobody that is going to light you up.

in their wins they averaged 81 ppg. In their losses 62. In SEC play 52. I think you can see where I’m going. Don’t see them breaking 50, unless in 4th quarter garbage time.

Good shooting team in wins, another story in losses. Not a very good rebounding team but they compensate by causing 20 turnovers a game.

Margin could be anywhere from 20-40.

Coulibaly is playing and leads the Tigers at halftime with 8 pts. Scott-Grayson has not made an appearance in the game yet. Levy has started, but only has 1 pt. at the half, going 0-6 from the field with 0 rebounds.

It's gonna be one of "those" games: Auburn seems totally out-matched in the paint against the Gamecocks - both Boston and Saxton opened the game going 3-3 and 3-4 respectively in the 1st Period - Boston also hitting on a 3-pt try - and then Cardoso comes in and goes 3-3 herself. Gamecocks leads 52-20 at the halftime break, shooting at a torrid 67% rate (20 for 30), and have 23 rebounds and 13 assists against just 5 turnovers. Boston and Saxton lead the way with 9 pts each, and Cardoso adds 8 pts. Fletcher also has 7 pts with a made 3-ptr., as well as 4 rebounds and 3 assists....

The Gamecocks started 8-8 at the free throw line again for the 2nd consecutive game, but unlike the last game where they then went 0-4 on their next 4 attempts, they are 9-10 at the charity stripe at the half tonight. The Gamecocks only have 4 fouls through the 1st half, with only one of them (Boston) called on any of the starting five.....
 

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Interested to see if Ashlyn and Talaysia get in tonight.
 

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Kentucky playing well against UGA tonight but I think we just wore Georgia out on Monday 😋
4th qtr and Eniya still hasn’t entered the game
 

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Interested to see if Ashlyn and Talaysia get in tonight.

They did not get in for the game. In the last game, Cooper was about to check in late in the game, on a two-player substitution - the other player got in, but Tay wasn't able to get in, and had to return back to the bench.

The Gamecocks win in a route of the Auburn Tigers 94-42. South Carolina shot 36-57 (63.2%) from the field, and 7-16 (43.8%) from the 3-pt. line. Also shot 15-18 (83.3%) from the FT line as well. They finished with 25 assists, to 14 turnovers, and out-rebounded Auburn 45-25. Also had 9 blocks and 6 steals. The bench out-scored Auburn's bench 47-13.

Cardoso led the team off the bench with 16 pts on 6-7 shooting, with 5 boards. Boston fell just short of a double-double, with 13 pts on 5-7 shooting, with 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 assists. Saxton added 12 pts on 5-7 shooting, with 5 rebounds. Cooke followed up on her 31-pt. effort in the last game versus Georgia, with 10 pts on 4-8 shooting.

Fletcher and Johnson combined at the PG spot to add in 9 pts on 4-8 shooting, with 12 assists against just one turnover, plus 8 rebounds, 4 steals and 2 blocks......
 

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I really hope Raven can find her shot because the rest of her game is sooo sweet. 7 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 block. She's a very good defensive player. Wells was smoking Fletcher in the 3rd. Johnson came in and Wells disappeared. Raven makes good decisions in transition as well. Love to watch her. She's got to keep shooting; eventually her shots are going to fall.
 

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I really hope Raven can find her shot because the rest of her game is sooo sweet. 7 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 block. She's a very good defensive player. Wells was smoking Fletcher in the 3rd. Johnson came in and Wells disappeared. Raven makes good decisions in transition as well. Love to watch her. She's got to keep shooting; eventually her shots are going to fall.
Agree! She just plays so hard and her passes are beautiful! That one skip pass to Hall towards the end was a thing of beauty, although Hall bobbled it and had to pass it back out.
 

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Angel Reese had 28 rebounds last night against A&M. She played 33 minutes in a 40 point blow out. Aliyah played 19 minutes against A&M. Reese is averaging about 8 more minutes of playing time on the season than Boston. Just be prepared that Reese will probably be the SEC POY. Just too much talent on our team. Cardoso only played 14 minutes, she scored 16 points. Watkins didn't even play. It's a good problem to have, but it will cost our players individual awards.
 

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Angel Reese had 28 rebounds last night against A&M. She played 33 minutes in a 40 point blow out. Aliyah played 19 minutes against A&M. Reese is averaging about 8 more minutes of playing time on the season than Boston. Just be prepared that Reese will probably be the SEC POY. Just too much talent on our team. Cardoso only played 14 minutes, she scored 16 points. Watkins didn't even play. It's a good problem to have, but it will cost our players individual awards.
Hope our players are ok with the "team award" National Championship Trophy, which I'm sure they are!
 
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Angel Reese had 28 rebounds last night against A&M. She played 33 minutes in a 40 point blow out. Aliyah played 19 minutes against A&M. Reese is averaging about 8 more minutes of playing time on the season than Boston. Just be prepared that Reese will probably be the SEC POY. Just too much talent on our team. Cardoso only played 14 minutes, she scored 16 points. Watkins didn't even play. It's a good problem to have, but it will cost our players individual awards.
It looks like they are going all in on Angel. She honestly might be the NPOY depending on how well LSU does. The non-existent non-conference, plus a not so great SEC, plus Mulkey having her play extended minutes in blowouts, is going to be hard for anyone to beat. Even if she goes for 0 points and 0 rebounds against us, she'll have the numbers on her side.
 
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Angel Reese had 28 rebounds last night against A&M. She played 33 minutes in a 40 point blow out. Aliyah played 19 minutes against A&M. Reese is averaging about 8 more minutes of playing time on the season than Boston. Just be prepared that Reese will probably be the SEC POY. Just too much talent on our team. Cardoso only played 14 minutes, she scored 16 points. Watkins didn't even play. It's a good problem to have, but it will cost our players individual awards.
It appears Mulkey is going for stats to impress voters and recruits. Anything to appear appealing and relevant. We won’t know who they are until games with UT and us. They have seen nothing and truly know nothing about who they are.

The heart of our team has faced all comers for 3.5 years. It has seen everyone and everything. DS is coaching this team just like last year and just like the Olympics. She knows she has the best and she is going to play mix, match and develop to focus them on a title.

Two side notes

Did you see the first quarter of LSU A&M? 8-6 and even uglier than the score

Zia is putting together a year close to Tiffany Mitchell’s 2 SEC POYs. 15ppg shooting 42% from the field 37% from 3 and 80% from the line. Leads the team in steals and 1.5 assists to turnover ratio
 
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It looks like they are going all in on Angel. She honestly might be the NPOY depending on how well LSU does. The non-existent non-conference, plus a not so great SEC, plus Mulkey having her play extended minutes in blowouts, is going to be hard for anyone to beat. Even if she goes for 0 points and 0 rebounds against us, she'll have the numbers on her side.
Yep. Dawn went out of her way last year to make sure Aliyah extended her double-double streak. She understood that Aliyah had to have a numbers component to her resume for NPOY. It doesn't appear to be a priority this year. Fine with me. Just keep her healthy.
 

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It appears Mulkey is going for stats to impress voters and recruits. Anything to appear appealing and relevant. We won’t know who they are until games with UT and us. They have seen nothing and truly know nothing about who they are.

The heart of our team has faced all comers for 3.5 years. It has seen everyone and everything. DS is coaching this team just like last year and just like the Olympics. She knows she has the best and she is going to play mix, match and develop to focus them on a title.

Two side notes

Did you see the first quarter of LSU A&M? 8-6 and even uglier than the score

Zia is putting together a year close to Tiffany Mitchell’s 2 SEC POYs. 15ppg shooting 42% from the field 37% from 3 and 80% from the line. Leads the team in steals and 1.5 assists to turnover ratio
Yep, the Dime Store Queen apparently has an agenda. Here's to hoping that her agenda is rendered meaningless when the ultimate prize is conferred.
 

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It appears Mulkey is going for stats to impress voters and recruits. Anything to appear appealing and relevant. We won’t know who they are until games with UT and us. They have seen nothing and truly know nothing about who they are.

The heart of our team has faced all comers for 3.5 years. It has seen everyone and everything. DS is coaching this team just like last year and just like the Olympics. She knows she has the best and she is going to play mix, match and develop to focus them on a title.

Two side notes

Did you see the first quarter of LSU A&M? 8-6 and even uglier than the score

Zia is putting together a year close to Tiffany Mitchell’s 2 SEC POYs. 15ppg shooting 42% from the field 37% from 3 and 80% from the line. Leads the team in steals and 1.5 assists to turnover ratio
Yes, I did see the 1st quarter. The worst part was the announcers saying Mulkey wanted to work on her team's defense. She wasn't worried about her offense because they have "the best offense in the nation." 🤮
 
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Thanks, hadn’t seen this!

I can’t remember a team so beset by injuries in this amount of time. Some of it, though is not surprising.

In September Juhasz(wrist), Ducharme(hip and multiple concussions), Fudd(foot), Griffith(extensive back surgery), and Bueckers(ACL) were not in practice. They were in rehab from surgery.

Throw in the fact that McClean left to go to UVA, where she is putting up 14ppg. Also Poffenbarger went to Ark, starting with 9&9.

That is why they brought in Bettencourt and Lopez-Senechal late in the summer. Then Brady goes down for the season.

Of the new injuries Edwards is the most troubling for them. She was in beast mode and they’re only consistent big.
 
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BS, add some other students. You only need 5. He is being allowed to skip games because of who he is. He just doesn’t want to lose. I don’t think other coaches would be allowed to skip games.
Maybe, Maybe not. Your just add students is a BS remark. Please remember, UConn. LET us skip a game with them last season so we could insure having a full SEC schedule.

UConn would beat DePaul with only six players. Are they playing fast and loose with league rules to get a benefit? Geno has always been a play by the rules guy, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 

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BS, add some other students. You only need 5. He is being allowed to skip games because of who he is. He just doesn’t want to lose. I don’t think other coaches would be allowed to skip games.
This is actually the rule and it does apply to anyone. They do this for the safety and well-being of the players. Even with this a short rotation this team still would likely beat DePaul. This occurred a few times these past couple years due to Covid protocol.

As for Geno I doubt he would have even coached this game. His health hasn't be great recently and he recently lost his mother. As much as I don't like the guy, I doubt he cares that much about any of this right now.
 
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Mississippi State beat Vandy by 30 and they were laughing and giggling and having a good time. Against Ole Miss and UT, in close games, they completely froze up in the 4th. Played tight. I would love to see us get off to a good start. Don't let State believe for a minute they have a chance. Fletcher and Saxton played better against Auburn, so hopefully that will continue.
 

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F Georgia. I hate them. One of their players undercut a Florida player on a layup. She had to be helped off the floor.

Go Horn Frogs!
 
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29 minutes between Fletcher and Saxton and they couldn't score a point. Not one.

Play some of the young players. Mix it up. The team is getting stale. Feels like they have plateaued.
 
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I first thought she plays like Dawn did.
Second, I bet CDS wants our guards to attack like this.
Third, are we recruiting her?

 
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