Then let's go the other way and make every instrument of destruction readily available to everyone, because, if we limit or prohibit any access to any of that stuff, they're just going to find something else to do it with.
You need to do better than that. In 2022 alone, there were 647 mass shootings in the US.
Please give me a logical or reasonable solution….I’ll wait. And there’s no such thing as logical or reasonable when politicians are involved.
Is it nonsense that bad guys will never give up their guns If required by law? I’m reading lots that there is a disproportional ratio of who’s in prison and dudes are getting free because of it. Are we gonna start imprisoning the bad guys regardless of the ratio?
www.businessinsider.com
So shootings involving gangs don't count? Why am I not surprised that you feel that way?
A pragmatic society they are! Left that out of my last postThe logical solution is to get rid of all guns and make them extremely difficult to acquire. And to limit firearm capabilities to much less than military/government. But that isn’t reasonable because it’s not possible in this social/political climate.
It’s akin to the Japanese economist/Yale professor who recently suggested all elderly in Japan should commit suicide to eliminate their drag on the economy. It would work, but no one is going to do it (I think).
A Yale professor suggested that Japan's old people should kill themselves in a mass suicide, and it made him a celebrity
Yusuke Narita, who suggested "mass seppuku" might solve Japan's aging population problem, has gained a large online following, per The New York Times.
GR I feel they do count. But, why is it that we don't hear more about mass shootings with Gangs? I just heard 30-minutes ago about a shooting in El Paso at Mall food court 3 people. I think that was a dispute most likely albeit bad-evil-can agree a mass shooting but not a targeted one like MSU and the others we know. Yes should have been avoided and if no gun 3 people dont get shot. Agree with you..
It’s not logical either considering the 2nd amendment.The logical solution is to get rid of all guns and make them extremely difficult to acquire. And to limit firearm capabilities to much less than military/government. But that isn’t reasonable because it’s not possible in this social/political climate.
It’s akin to the Japanese economist/Yale professor who recently suggested all elderly in Japan should commit suicide to eliminate their drag on the economy. It would work, but no one is going to do it (I think).
A Yale professor suggested that Japan's old people should kill themselves in a mass suicide, and it made him a celebrity
Yusuke Narita, who suggested "mass seppuku" might solve Japan's aging population problem, has gained a large online following, per The New York Times.
I didn’t say they didn’t count, I said that’s not really what we’re talking about. That’s a whole different set of problems. I would say the same about mafia shootings.
So where do John Timothy Earnest, Robert Bowers, and Wade Michael Page fall in your classification?
Yeah, I kinda get the feeling that if the Founding Fathers were around today and they saw the types and numbers of firearms and how they are used they'd probably say that this wasn't what they had in mind when they drafted the Second Amendment. Slammin' Sammy Alito would almost certainly disagree with me, but I'm right on this one.
#3 targeted shootings…All mentally disturbed…if u hate people or have issues with a specific group ur mentally disturbed…
Out of date, like anything other than manually operated printing presses.
They are all bad, all gun related but if u are trying to fix a systemic problem you need to understand and break down the problem first.
Wisconsin Christmas parade….just recently by the way. And a gun’s function is not to kill and maim people…it’s to protect people and to hunt. And just because something is easier doesn’t mean you should blame the tool.
But it seems pretty clear to me…shall not be infringed is pretty cut and dry. And what’s the next amendment that is out of touch/date and we’re going to allow politicians to change?
I think they’d do the opposite…they would see how the politicians have f’d things up and encourage people to round up well-armed militias. They didn’t write the second amendment to protect guns, they wrote it to protect the people.
Most gang-involved shootings do not result in multiple victims. There are other reasons, but I'll leave it at that.
"To protect the people" against the military, which wasn't supposed to be this overwhelmingly large power. They were more concerned about what we've now come to embrace as our overwhelming military than just about anything else, including outside powers. No one seems to give a rip that we pissed all over the Founding Fathers' wishes there, though.
That's embarrassingly obtuse. No, a gun's function is to fire a projectile that pierces through things, harming them ... often to the point of death/destruction. A gun only functions to "protect" via the THREAT of firing a projectile that pierces through things, harming them ... often to the point of death/destruction (it's intended function) ... or by actually firing a projectile that pierces through thing, harming them ... often to the point of death/destruction (it's intended function) in order to protect some interest (a way to utilize said intended function). A shield's "intended function" is to protect people. It can be used other ways, but it's "intended function" is protection. A gun's intended function is the opposite. To harm. Typically from distance. Typically grievously. If you can't embrace this obvious, indisputable truth, a reasonable discussion with you on this subject matter isn't possible.
What does the ammendment say about ammo? In Pennsylvania I have to show ID to buy Allegra-D so I can't stockpile it to make meth. Most of these mass shootings have one thing in common and that's stockpiling of rounds. How do the "bad guys" buy their ammo? How about we track ammo like decongestants and we might start getting somewhere.
I already gave a start to the solution way back in May of 2022 ...
Not a terribly unreasonable list, but let's discuss 1 and 2.I already gave a start to the solution way back in May of 2022 ...
OT this is how things are handled in WV.... - Page 2 - On3
CHARLESTON, WV (WOWK) – Charleston Police are releasing new details on a Wednesday night shooting investigation. According to CPD around 10:45 on Wednesday night officers arrived outside of 1300 Renaissance Circle apartment complex for a report of a shooting. When police got there, they found...www.on3.com
"1. Allowing gun manufacturers to be liable for manufacturing/design defects in their products, like every other manufacturer of goods in the country
2. Legislated mandatory additional safety features, such as biometric safeties.
3. A sweeping background check reform, centered around the fact that a gun cannot be sold until a person is affirmatively cleared by all interested parties, and assuring that all databases are connected and have redundancies to double-check each other, with flags set up to prohibit sale until all missing/conflicting information is resolved
4. Limits on magazine capacities, and other features which make gun operation more lethal, more quickly.
5. Mandatory reporting of lost/stolen guns
6. Mandatory safe storage requirements
7. Better oversight of gun dealers, and the closing of all sale loopholes (online, unlicensed, private transfers, etc.).
8. A continuous focus on sweeping the streets for illegally obtained/held guns
9. Reform based on limiting access to guns due to mental health concerns
Just as a start.
All of these crackdowns wouldn't be as necessary, had we not let the problem get so out of hand, by being so careless, and so beholden to a terrorist organization for commercial gain. The entire culture surrounding guns needs to change. Celebrating the very few times when someone successfully defends themselves with a gun is part of the culture problem. "We need guns to defend ourselves from guns" is a large part of what got us here. Until this brainwashing is stopped, things won't get better. In order to get that one-in-a-million successful self defense with a gun, you need to allow millions upon millions of folks to arm themselves, creating thousands upon thousands of crimes and (intentional and accidental) deaths in the process. It's stupid. It's morally criminal.
Edit: Those focusing on getting "assault rifles" or "assault weapons" off the streets, as a primary tool to combat gun violence, are a huge part of the problem, too. That will do little to nothing, in the grand scheme of things, and if that reform is implemented (without other, more comprehensive measures), the killing will continue, and gun nuts will be even more empowered, screaming out "See!?! More gun legislation hasn't worked!""
